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  • #621
  • Sep 14, 2020 8:02am Sep 14, 2020 8:02am
Quoting Meyney
Meyney, I have mentioned to you, in the past, I do like ~400k net pips or so, per month, in some accounts, to deliver the quote, here is my Aug'20 result of one of my accounts (I add like 6 to 8 new each month). Took me 40 calendar days to close these (yesterday). Last before closure there were ~3,700 remaining baskets that could not reach to their targets. This is us cent live. Nearly ~650,000 net pips gained out of ~6,500 baskets, flat 0.01 lot each. Now that's impressive!

Hell yes, it is quite impressive.

There is a room to double, for sure, up to triple the collected pips within one basket, but I have to stay patient as this is interconnected with the growing account equity. Unfortunately, in this particular account I cant hedge with more strategies, which I do prefer above everything else, as in the most ranging times, I ALMOST do reach the account maximum trades allowed of 300... Now I can play only with lot-size, which I would rather not or increasing slowly the targets, which I will certainly do. Maybe after the next closing cycle...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #622
  • Edited 5:32pm Sep 14, 2020 5:16pm | Edited 5:32pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
Now I can play only with lot-size, which I would rather not or increasing slowly the targets, which I will certainly do. Maybe after the next closing cycle...
That MZ sneaking below the radars....with his little spiders creating some huge NETs of profits
  • #623
  • Sep 15, 2020 1:33am Sep 15, 2020 1:33am
Quoting Offujimori
{quote} That MZ sneaking below the radars....with his little spiders creating some huge NETs of profits

The volume of the banked pips genuinely impresses me... Yesterday changed my 10k/mo profit (100k banked net pips) from 60k account set up, so it does 20k/mo (200k pips) out of 60k from now on, while reducing the draw-down with 50% or higher. And saw a new opportunity, I will set up today on few new live accounts, to even come down to 27-30k/mo on the same 60k account.

It is good, I can add x3, maybe even x4 times hedging strategies, until the max 300 trades per account limit gets reached.

This is my compounding technique. Instead playing with the lotsize, I do add up new strategies with quite low number of entries and hefty pip targets, like 200/300/400/500 net pips on average per entry of 0.01 lot. That creates significantly less draw-down maintaining exciting and enjoyable monthly income, meanwhile.

The accounts are in us cents. Live.

I don’t think I will leave us cent live any time soon. Seeing no reason for that. Noone anyway tracks down what is happening in there...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #624
  • Sep 17, 2020 3:18am Sep 17, 2020 3:18am
Quoting MoneyZilla
Yesterday changed my 10k/mo profit (100k banked net pips) from 60k account set up, so it does 20k/mo (200k pips) out of 60k from now on, while reducing the draw-down with 50% or higher.

My expectations did prove right. Using the same technique of creating an entry, but went down from 10 a day to 3 a day instead.
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Set up 3 different goals. To collect more on average, while maintaining nearly similar income as before (10/20/30 usd).

Old way is on the left (0.64 sell lots). The other two are the new way with lesser entries.
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The new 0.16, if were 0.64 instead would go with probably ~500 as a draw-down. Cause if x4 to get to 0.64 shows -240 of a draw-down, but this is likely inaccurate calculation. Still the lot size proportional damage is exactly the same? Can really tell for sure, but the savings on the draw-down are big...

Thus, setting the 3 a day to 30 usd average goal will deliver almost the same result as setting 10 a day entries to 10 usd goal. Will have, in the worst case scenario only 33% of the draw-down, while maintaining the same profit levels? With a little more wait added. Sometimes the wait is about a day or two more.

This is how 10k become 20k, for 1/2 of the draw-down. Need to monitor 1-2-3 months to see the equal load of nearly 10 daily entries, each of 3 entries a day with goals of 30 usd performs in the light of the draw-down. Might be an extra more thrilling first two months. After that? If won't matter as the draw-down levels are not high anyway. I am using them to only try to increase the monthly income without increasing the risk. When equity grows more strategies with low entries and high goals are added. They start interhedge in between. In ranging times. The draw-down gets locked, unlike with lot compound where things can get ugly with the risk increase...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #625
  • Sep 17, 2020 6:32am Sep 17, 2020 6:32am
Quoting Offujimori
{quote} Hardest part here . Still trying to nail it. But close overall basket in profit? Possible. And then restart session Plus, another thing is: BASKET. Pyramiding at the right move (when you get it). NET traders are usually trading a one shot only... I'm not good with it. Average, average, average!

Remember the first talk we had? You need to get to the dancing on the chart part. One day. That is your final destination. Forget about static hedging. It will keep you hungry for a very long time...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #626
  • Sep 17, 2020 6:44am Sep 17, 2020 6:44am
Quoting Offujimori
{quote} You really do some conscious effort to be like that don't you? It's really hard to be naturally like that I'm out of this thread. If that hedging talk continue, It will be in 'Hold The Gold'.
They are provoking me to reveal how it is done, as they do their best to put me off balance and nearly lose my already little mind... That is why I have left their tread. My brain is so small. I might not endure on their conscious efforts.

They want to steal the idea, simply put. It's is all a game... but it is over.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #627
  • Sep 17, 2020 6:50am Sep 17, 2020 6:50am
Quoting AntiCre
{quote} Nice point. And the reason why I like that indicator (although others say it would repaint too heavily ....). Formerly in this thread there was a discussion on how to relate indicator to others (for hedging). The ZZ is an excellent example. It's related to the DC, stochastics, etc. ... And most important ... It usually gives you more than one consecutive signals in one direction than signalling and reversing.

That is ZZ's beauty! ZZ releases the last leg! You call that a repaint? For me, it is a blessing! The rate flies, unattended...

These are all 5 days of the week. Using ZZ. On gold. Where do you think the rate is heading to?

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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #628
  • Sep 17, 2020 7:01am Sep 17, 2020 7:01am
Quoting MoneyZilla
ZZ releases the last leg! You call that a repaint?
Not me, others ... I think you know that I was experimenting with ZZs quite a while Nevertheless, your posts made me think (just haven't completely understood the logic ... well, my damage hasn't taken brain - maybe my user name should be TooSlow ... wait ...)
  • #629
  • Sep 17, 2020 10:39am Sep 17, 2020 10:39am
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} Thus, setting the 3 a day to 30 usd average goal will deliver almost the same result as setting 10 a day entries to 10 usd goal. [...] When equity grows more strategies with low entries and high goals are added. They start interhedge in between. In ranging times. The draw-down gets locked, unlike with lot compound where things can get ugly with the risk increase...

Very important points!!!!!!!!!

This interhedge dynamic must be a pleasure to watch as It will behave in a non predictable way! I can't wait to try it out.
I'm still struggling with some programming here. Your programmer is a demi-God for sure

There's a championship of trading FX/Futures ... a dude that was winner some years ago used to say that having a bunch of good strategies together lower drawdown significantly. Annnnd you are the proof ! And... he didn't use stop.

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They are provoking me to reveal how it is done,

Absolutely... at least here you can kick out of the thread. Plus... so much effort to be toxic they do. lol
I mean... imagine those guys in real life. Darth Vader should to appear to them:

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  • #630
  • Sep 17, 2020 11:20am Sep 17, 2020 11:20am
Quoting Offujimori
Very important points!!!!!!!!! This interhedge dynamic must be a pleasure to watch as It will behave in a non predictable way! I can't wait to try it out. I'm still struggling with some programming here.
It is hard to program and trade at the same time. Really difficult it is. Lots of mental energy gets wasted. In looking, researching, trying to understand, twisting stuffs to get away from the jaws of these perfect predators - the market makers. The room for escape is really small and hard to enter... Doing both? Might require some really big brains... I hope you have them!

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Your programmer is a demi-God for sure

He is really amazing. I could not get there without his uber costly, otherwise, developments. It all was worthy. I am sure for both of us. And in the far future as well, I owe him big... Colossally smart and gifted guy. I bet he wipes his ass, using €100 bills. But he delivers the impossible, from my point of view. All is so complicated, he still does not know how to use it. In order to start doing so, he must sacrifice 6 to 12 months at least, just to research how to use his own creations. And he does not believe his software cracks it down, as there is no-one from his retail clients, like me, who have succeeded with his works. He is lucky I will never stop paying him back... Just because I do feel so endlessly thankful.

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There's a championship of trading FX/Futures ... a dude that was winner some years ago used to say that having a bunch of good strategies together lower drawdown significantly. Annnnd you are the proof !
It is absolutely so. Here are 5 different examples, of 5 different accounts, of the same strategy (within the account only), reset in different day of the week (mon-fri). Inter-hedge is here already. When the rate gets directional, they will all point into that direction and if there is a nice distance, will start closing.
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Absolutely... at least here you can kick out of the thread. Plus... so much effort to be toxic they do. lol

I have to admit, nubcake is creatively funny. He can twist it in such a comic way. Never saying anything meaningful, but the laughs are all in there.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #631
  • Sep 17, 2020 9:28pm Sep 17, 2020 9:28pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} Here are 5 different examples, of 5 different accounts, of the same strategy (within the account only), reset in different day of the week (mon-fri). Inter-hedge is here already. When the rate gets directional, they will all point into that direction and if there is a nice distance, will start closing.
I was thinking here... what if inter-hedge is actually valuable between lvl 1 strategies?
  • #632
  • Sep 18, 2020 12:58am Sep 18, 2020 12:58am
Quoting Offujimori
{quote} I was thinking here... what if inter-hedge is actually valuable between lvl 1 strategies?

I could never finish this one. However, spent few years there, maybe more? It looks to be an important part of the learning process. Pointed me into the next step: how to gain bigger distances without flipping, as I did not solve L1 inter-strategy hedging to be steady profitable, for me. This does not mean it is not doable. I just could not do it in L1...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #633
  • Sep 21, 2020 10:17am Sep 21, 2020 10:17am
Quoting MoneyZilla
Yesterday changed my 10k/mo profit (100k banked net pips) from 60k account set up, so it does 20k/mo (200k pips) out of 60k from now on, while reducing the draw-down with 50% or higher.
Just set the average net pips to be around 175-180 net pips on a single flat 0.01 basket. Previously it was 100 net pips. Now expecting around monthly ~700k net pips collection on monthly ~4k baskets (~200 baskets daily).

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And saw a new opportunity, I will set up today on few new live accounts, to even come down to 27-30k/mo on the same 60k account.
Have not done that one, yet. Need to gather strength, as it looks too adventurous and naughty, above everything. Not that I can just top up the live us cent account, but still, everything grows perfectly well at the moment. Would not like to register a loss, even temporary, due to over targeting or over-expectations? I will just setup just one account. Fuck it...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #634
  • Sep 21, 2020 11:18am Sep 21, 2020 11:18am
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} Just set the average net pips to be around 175-180 net pips on a single flat 0.01 basket. Previously it was 100 net pips. Now expecting around monthly ~700k net pips collection on monthly ~4k baskets (~200 baskets daily). {quote} Have not done that one, yet. Need to gather strength, as it looks too adventurous and naughty, above everything. Not that I can just top up the live us cent account, but still, everything grows perfectly well at the moment. Would not like to register a loss, even temporary, due to over targeting or over-expectations?...
This is a thing I was thinking about too... "Over Targeting". Because eventually there will be some point which you'll be expecting more than the swings offers, isn't?
But It's surely worth a shot
Just to know the boundries.

In that rhythm soon you will be trading Bitcoin lol!


By the way, sorry for not answering you.
I'm still digesting, plus I will just answer when I have something to share so I can sum/agreggate valuable things too!
  • #635
  • Sep 21, 2020 11:42pm Sep 21, 2020 11:42pm
Quoting Offujimori
{quote} This is a thing I was thinking about too... "Over Targeting". Because eventually there will be some point which you'll be expecting more than the swings offers, isn't? But It's surely worth a shot Just to know the boundries. In that rhythm soon you will be trading Bitcoin lol! By the way, sorry for not answering you. I'm still digesting, plus I will just answer when I have something to share so I can sum/agreggate valuable things too!

For a short trend chase with a weekly reset, these 300 net pips goal might be a rare animal. Maybe 4-5 times a year they can bank in... For a bi/tri/quad-weekly resets, 300 net pips sound like a modest target, not so hard to reach, as likely, within a month or so they will be banked in. Maybe like around 10 times a year.

Speaking of taking flips (the 175-180 pips goal), which I give it a go only because of a high ego and pure honour reasons. I see the absolute max to be around 200-300 net pips. 200 net pips they allow in there, but 300? With flips this looks like an overkill to me. This is just what they do offer on the charts...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #636
  • Oct 21, 2020 8:59am Oct 21, 2020 8:59am
Hard to hold myself.

I just got the newest indicator from the dev guy (6-7 yrs working together already)...

He just blew my mind. And it is not only this particular time!

I honestly believe he not a human being?

Maybe he is some kind of Energy that takes shapes?

Maybe that Energy is the way I do communicate with the Universe?

I dunno.

Earlier this month, I have asked him for a proof he is Human.

Here is what he did send me:
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This is his family photo at the time of his birth:
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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #637
  • Oct 21, 2020 1:47pm Oct 21, 2020 1:47pm
I’m going to read this entire thread and figure you out money zilla
  • #638
  • Oct 21, 2020 4:27pm Oct 21, 2020 4:27pm
Well after reading this entire thread i got to say i really enjoyed all the wisdom nuggets and market knowledge you put in here. I still dont fully understand what the squares are? But i do now know the basis of your trading and its a very interesting way of trading i have never thought of ive heard the word hedging thrown around but never knew what it meant but the way you use it makes it pretty clear.

I personally dont and probably wont trade like this unless i get bored of manual trading. Thankfully my pops is a software engineer so he could write me up some code once i finally figure out how to master the 30/70

Also goodluck to Offujimori, it seems like you're very hard working and i hope your work brings you good
  • #639
  • Oct 22, 2020 1:15am Oct 22, 2020 1:15am
Quoting ZTrader123
I’m going to read this entire thread and figure you out money zilla

There is not much to figure me out.
It is already written in my signature: Stupid Hobby Trader!
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #640
  • Oct 22, 2020 1:51am Oct 22, 2020 1:51am
extreme restlessness continues in gold too , range up likely with more and more worry in the market ! take care
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Not understand?better not follow my analyses!doubt clearer first, risks ++
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