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  • #26,761
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:15am Oct 17, 2013 9:15am
Quoting Fidza
{quote} Never fails to amaze , price goes down ,its manipulation. Price goes up its on its way to US$ 5000 an ounce. Nevermind technicals and fundamentals or even a clear trend line that's been in place since October 2012.
That's the deal - keep it real.

The majority don't, thankfully.

  • #26,762
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:16am Oct 17, 2013 9:16am
Quoting Tran Huu Son
Can you guys tell me the gold price hit 1244.94 today? Alpari MT4 hit that low today but i found on the internet the lowest today was just 1274.... Does anyone trade with Alpari broker ? Could you guys tell me the true?
Here is overnight and the past 3 days spot, the NY low is currently 1313

as for overnight the answer is NO, and the last low of lows was above 1250 on the 15th another FAT NO,

IF YOU LOST MONEY I WOULD COMPLAIN - I always here Alpari and Oanda do this kind of shit with the prices for XAU nd XAG
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  • #26,763
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:17am Oct 17, 2013 9:17am
Quoting XTrade
Hey Chaps! Anyone get long on the dipski to 1260?? Here is some commentary links for what's going on today, should be pretty volatile most of the day. Also important to note the US debt ceiling was only raised for 4 months according to what I heard. Sounds like a bandaid. Amazing silver is still just sitting below 22..... When to expect shutdown-delayed economic data [url=http://www.kitco.com/news/2013-10-17/KitcoNews20131017-AM-AM-Kitco-Metals-Roundup-Gold-Sharply-Higher-on-Heavy-Short-Covering-Plunge-in-U-S-Dollar-Index.html]A.M....
i need expertise idea i sold gold @1313.98 since then it s going up ...what i shall do ,,Waite or close it
  • #26,764
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:17am Oct 17, 2013 9:17am
Sorry heres the chart for the above post.

as you can see this is global spot. not from a shady FX broker....
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  • #26,765
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:19am Oct 17, 2013 9:19am
Quoting forexer11
sir.. i am short ,,what i have to do now?? help please
some more info would be nice.
i would say go long, maybe twice your previous trade and gain your loss, then rethink your strategy

USD losing major ground on forex but XAU XAG both consolidating wtf
  • #26,766
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:20am Oct 17, 2013 9:20am
Quoting forexer11
{quote} i need expertise idea i sold gold @1313.98 since then it s going up ...what i shall do ,,Waite or close it
Personally You could TRY and get out by days end if the price doesn't take out 1325 (here you would already be over a 10 USD loss move)
it will likely fizzle out between 1310 and 1315.

No if more negative US "news" not sure what to call it, such as debt downgrades or Reduced Growth forecasts --Which are happening ---
Continue, it could be a 50 USD day north.

I know this doesn't help but I wouldn't have taken the position in the first place once the price retook 1300.
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  • #26,767
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:21am Oct 17, 2013 9:21am
Quoting SunTrader
{quote} That's the deal - keep it real. The majority don't, thankfully.
Except that's not the deal, it ignores what's real, and only you two seem to think otherwise.
You can always make money tomorrow provided you don't lose it today.
  • #26,768
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:21am Oct 17, 2013 9:21am
i sold gold at 1313 ,, to which limit it will go up today
thanks
  • #26,769
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:22am Oct 17, 2013 9:22am
Quoting JayPipin
{quote} thats outrageous, are you and Tran going to take it upstairs? complain, and perhaps leave them crooks. I know one or two that did that occasionally so i hit the door fast. Kiwi i get scaling in but its not worked for me in the past, i do not like SL but i get out after x amount of bars. i like the look of what your up to but i have a full plate at the moment.. is gold about to pop
Always either setup a BIG lot trade just before 13:30 every Thursday enough to handle my MM and make a killing with Alpari or just stay out of Gold on Thursdays at 13:30.

I have made a lot from them before at this time every week. Saying that, before I used to trade gold and I didn't know about their weekly slips, it did hurt my account.

7205.6 daily range today on XAUUSD with Alpari
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  • #26,770
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:22am Oct 17, 2013 9:22am
Quoting JayPipin
USD losing major ground on forex but XAU XAG both consolidating wtf
yeah tell me about it.... wtf is right.
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  • #26,771
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:24am Oct 17, 2013 9:24am
Quoting EatPIPs
{quote} Always either setup a BIG lot trade just before 13:30 every Thursday enough to handle my MM and make a killing with Alpari or just stay out of Gold on Thursdays at 13:30. I have made a lot from them before at this time every week. Saying that, before I used to trade gold and I didn't know about their weekly slips, it did hurt my account. 7205.6 daily range today on XAUUSD with Alpari {image}
WOOOOOWWWW. That is a riot. That price never existed.

I wonder if you had a buy stop down there they would have filled you, I HIGHLY doubt it...
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  • #26,772
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:27am Oct 17, 2013 9:27am
Quoting XTrade
{quote} WOOOOOWWWW. That is a riot. That price never existed. I wonder if you had a buy stop down there they would have filled you, I HIGHLY doubt it...
No I didn't trade Gold today at that time. I exited my open trade around 13:00 and have re-entered shorts after the 4HR candle close.

They usually don't fill pending orders during this time however have closed orders before with SL at prices that "never existed".

If/when I trade this time on Thursday, never use a stop just an adequate TP which always gets hit. It's a risk I only take very rarely!
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  • #26,773
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:31am Oct 17, 2013 9:31am
First of all. Not every one here by any means calls manipulation on every dip.

If you HONESTLY don't think that at current Gold and Silver (silver has been inside 21 for practically weeks) are not artificially toyed with IDK what to say.

Furthermore, with the USDX LITERALLY NOSEDIVING, Crushing through 80 without a hitch now welll into the 79s almost @ 79.5
Gold should already be through 1325..

Look at the difference in movements on super volatile news days that are gold positive and the gain amount in %
then look at days where jack sh!t is happening and the price % decrease in a slow session like aussie.
There is a huge difference.

Here the DXY from 30 seconds ago... soon it will be pushing the 52 week low.



Quoting Fidza
{quote} Never fails to amaze , price goes down ,its manipulation. Price goes up its on its way to US$ 5000 an ounce. Nevermind technicals and fundamentals or even a clear trend line that's been in place since October 2012.
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  • #26,774
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:36am Oct 17, 2013 9:36am
Quoting KADC
{quote} Except that's not the deal, it ignores what's real, and only you two seem to think otherwise.
It is a matter of opinion. You have yours and I have mine.

Sorry if I happened to have someone who agrees with me.
  • #26,775
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:37am Oct 17, 2013 9:37am
If you have the timing down PAT, and you can get filled at nonexistent lows by market then get your TP hit with an order I would play that game every week!!!!!


Quoting EatPIPs
{quote} No I didn't trade Gold today at that time. I exited my open trade around 13:00 and have re-entered shorts after the 4HR candle close. They usually don't fill pending orders during this time however have closed orders before with SL at prices that "never existed". If/when I trade this time on Thursday, never use a stop just an adequate TP which always gets hit. It's a risk I only take very rarely!
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  • #26,776
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:39am Oct 17, 2013 9:39am
adjusting my expectations

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  • #26,777
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:42am Oct 17, 2013 9:42am
Quoting XTrade
If you have the timing down PAT, and you can get filled at nonexistent lows by market then get your TP hit with an order I would play that game every week!!!!! {quote}
I wish it was as easy as that - I would be on a beach right now.
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  • #26,778
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:42am Oct 17, 2013 9:42am
Quoting XTrade
First of all. Not every one here by any means calls manipulation on every dip....
But no one here EVER calls manipulation on every or ANY screaming up move - ever.
  • #26,779
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:47am Oct 17, 2013 9:47am
ACM had a price freeze and the bar was missing a tail (low price) compared to other broker feeds, then days later i looked back at that pair and voila it had grown a tail.
This happened twice in a week!! this spike with alpari on mt4 is unusual as there was no news event at that time right or was the downgrade at that moment?
If not then i cant seem to understand how this is acceptable. I will lower my rating of alpari uk for that faux pas event. Interesting how alpari have something like 4+ offices but they are independent in all ways except for the name.
  • #26,780
  • Oct 17, 2013 9:50am Oct 17, 2013 9:50am
Quoting SunTrader
{quote} But no one here EVER calls manipulation on every or ANY screaming up move - ever.
Look back to the days when the 2008 northbound channel broke out topside and the price was soaring to high too fast.

It's all here in the thread.

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As of late there have been no screaming upmoves that would warrant a call of manipulation. other than suppression.

Falling 200 USD in appx 2 days on no SERIOUSLY IMPORTANT fundamentals is not normal / natural / ebb flow/ correction.

Then when the fundies are screaming for the price to raise it FALLS!
And a few days as of late things actually line up and maybe we can get a 40 USD move.
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