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  • #821
  • May 24, 2020 8:03am May 24, 2020 8:03am
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Yeah, those news... but at least you tried... We'll have to decide between 500:1 max with like n=3-5 max or 200:1 max with n=10+... That is the statistics of this week somewhat...
good point... but for now i'm only able to trade with broker that offer 50% stop out. What if we aim 50% gain/trade, is slower that way, but also if there is loss in between would not eat whole account, same TP/SL for ex. E/U SL=20 TP=22. Still quite high leverage 250:1
  • #822
  • May 25, 2020 12:09am May 25, 2020 12:09am
Quoting inuit
{quote} good point... but for now i'm only able to trade with broker that offer 50% stop out. What if we aim 50% gain/trade, is slower that way, but also if there is loss in between would not eat whole account, same TP/SL for ex. E/U SL=20 TP=22. Still quite high leverage 250:1
Sure, that is why I urge/beg people to provide the stat (regardless of the win ratio) so that we can see how many "diamonds" are expected... The idea is.. IF there would be only 12 per year (not necessarily in a row even)... the super quality ones.. then the idea was why waste it on smaller steps... But if there would be like 100+ per year (out of which at least once n=10+ in a row, per year), then we can "afford" to go with lower returns... Or in extreme examples... If we could prove/test that n=12 (or more) can be expected.. than even 10USD is enough to go... because it would come 40k out... (at 100%/trade)... but only 1.2k at 50%/trade (at n=12)... Do you see? So that is why it is still a dilemma between optimal/estimated "n"s to go for in a row... (either one big one, or lower few or even "common ones")... So the first question is... how many quality diamonds can be expected, how many "n"s can be expected in a row, for each n number... per year... And from there we model/simulate the best TP, SL... and leverage.. in order to estimate the best possible scenario... If they would be raining... we can afford lower %/trade, of course... but deposit would have to be greater as you saw...

n=12, 100%/trade (10USD in, 40k OUT!)
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10*2%5E12

n=12, 50%/trade (10USD in, 1.3k OUT!)
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=10*1.5%5E12

so 10USD deposit is basically "nothing"... but you can get 40k out (basically all profit, from "air") if we get to n=12 at 100%/trade... While at 10USD.. you get about 1.3k USD.. So "nothing" in comparison. So one would have to go with much greater deposit (about 310USD)... to get to same profit (40k)... see:
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=310*1.5%5E12

Do you see? But it is about the highest "n" we can get, is expected, or is possible... and frequency of each of "n"s lower to it...

So hope it is clear. It is down to STAT that we can't seem to get, let alone group trade...

From my stat alone, n=10 happened this year! And I think/hope it can happen again, but we will see... So that would be by target... I hope we can test/proof that n=12 can happen, at all, at that it can happen a few times per year... But it is hard, no doubt... Specially since people do not want to contribute the stat at least...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #823
  • May 25, 2020 5:36am May 25, 2020 5:36am
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} so 10USD deposit is basically "nothing"... but you can get 40k out (basically all profit, from "air") if we get to n=12 at 100%/trade... While at 10USD.. you get about 1.3k USD.. So "nothing" in comparison. So one would have to go with much greater deposit (about 310USD)... to get to same profit (40k)... see: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=310*1.5%5E12 Do you see?
yeah can see that, big difference. current stat is: 10 trades 3 Win 7 Loss, all are SL10 TP20 or close that.
  • #824
  • May 25, 2020 8:27am May 25, 2020 8:27am
Quoting inuit
{quote} yeah can see that, big difference. current stat is: 10 trades 3 Win 7 Loss, all are SL10 TP20 or close that.
Wow, you made n=3 while operating within SL10? That is amazing... How would the n changes if you would operate within SL20,30,40,50, for example? Would like to know for stat purposes...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #825
  • May 25, 2020 8:27am May 25, 2020 8:27am
Quoting inuit
{quote} yeah can see that, big difference. current stat is: 10 trades 3 Win 7 Loss, all are SL10 TP20 or close that.
Hi
If your stat is 3Win and 7Loss out of 10 trades than how you can apply cheetah style of trading?
I think you need to improve your entry criteria to be at least 80% win rate otherwise cheetah style will not work.
I myself can't still apply cheetah approach because my stat are not good enough.
I guess just @auricforecas find the right balance till now
  • #826
  • May 25, 2020 9:10am May 25, 2020 9:10am
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Wow, you made n=3 while operating within SL10? That is amazing... How would the n changes if you would operate within SL20,30,40,50, for example? Would like to know for stat purposes...
seems that i calculated also partial closes, so it's 5 trades 3W 2L, if used 20 sl, 4W 1L. all your signals, i don't have enough accuracy to trade this way, like merka pointed.
  • #827
  • May 25, 2020 9:20am May 25, 2020 9:20am
[quote=Merka;12961680]{quote} Hi If your stat is 3Win and 7Loss out of 10 trades than how you can apply cheetah style of trading? I think you need to improve your entry criteria to be at least 80% win rate otherwise cheetah style will not work. I myself can't still apply cheetah approach because my stat are not good enough. I guess just @auricforecas find the right balance till now[/quote

yea mate, i try to improve but its slow process for me.
  • #828
  • May 25, 2020 7:47pm May 25, 2020 7:47pm
Ok, I'm in eurusd BUY right now, CHEETAH style also... almost half way through already, but still quite some to go.. like 12PIPS to go...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #829
  • Edited 9:36am May 26, 2020 8:50am | Edited 9:36am
Quoting auricforecas
Ok, I'm in eurusd BUY right now, CHEETAH style also... almost half way through already, but still quite some to go.. like 12PIPS to go...
I exited just now... with GREAT SUCCESS kept it a bit longer... it was a great success... In fact, one of the greatest by far... 566,4% per single strike basically (5 trades)... I opened additional trades (from made profit) while in original entry trade... Should have done more, but I was sleeping See in attached DEMO CHEETAH about this particular ONE trade. And also, I live-posted here (in above quote/post) while I was still on it, so you had a chance to join, if you weren't sleeping of course).
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Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #830
  • May 27, 2020 2:20am May 27, 2020 2:20am
Well unfortunately I haven't motivated enough people to participate with contributing to the group trade or at least to provide some statistics to help us estimate the frequency of certain "n"s at different tp/sl/leverage setups... or at least post some ideas or whatever they like... So I guess I will have to build the stat myself, and so the trades... Since n=5+ have been demonstrated before with live posted/timestamped BEFORE and AFTER posts/snapshots... I will post if/when I get to some more serious "n" (again), like n=10 if not n=12... and with maybe more substantial deposit... although at those high "n"s even $10 USD starting deposit would spit out x1000 (so 10k out) at n=10 and x4000 at n=12 so 40k out... And hopefully then more people will be more serious about this.
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #831
  • May 29, 2020 10:14am May 29, 2020 10:14am
Hi, I'm new here. I am interested in trying the CHEETAH trading system out. How do I get it? I'll share the result here when I am done.
  • #832
  • Edited 1:57pm May 29, 2020 10:57am | Edited 1:57pm
Quoting OJB
Hi, I'm new here. I am interested in trying the CHEETAH trading system out. How do I get it? I'll share the result here when I am done.
I advise you to read the thread from the start, specially first page and then you can read at least my posts where I show many examples and some tools/examples on how can it be done... I believe all was said and done and now we are waiting for people to join in the group effort. Or at least we waited, it seems not so many people are interested/motivated or able... And at least on how I used it or am using it, it is a manual entry/exit system... We have provided examples/tools but the rest is up to individual.. and to maybe contribute to the group effort.
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #833
  • May 31, 2020 1:56am May 31, 2020 1:56am
Ok showtime now... Will be back if I get to n=12 (100%/equivalent). To show you that/if it can be done!
And the next series we hopefully do together! If anyone can demonstrate n=5+ (100%/trade equivalent)... I am also always available... for a group effort...
So till then...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #834
  • Edited 7:10pm Jun 2, 2020 11:04am | Edited 7:10pm
Quoting auricforecas
And remember guys... we just need to hit it 10 times (n=10) in a row, to get 100USD->100k USD... at 100% per trade https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*2%5E10 Or in just 3 strides (n=3) from 100USD->21k USD... at 500% per trade https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*6%5E3 Or! 100USD-> to FEW mio USD in 5 strides (n=5).. at 500% per trade... https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*6%5E6 Yes, 500% means x6 on the deposit/trade... But please do not expect this 500% signals to drop like a rain,...
Great auricforecas,
100 USD => 100k USD just with n=10 (1o times in a row winning trades) ?? unbelievable , i can not imagine if we use n=12 ... or first just trying and error with n=8 ... is it not enough ...??
This gives a big inspiration & dream to all of us .... , but i just think ... is it really possible for a new user to trade like this ? i mean, most of us are not professional trader (and this style has a very high risk ... it must be very precise in entry time, like a well trained sniper ... 1 bullet for 1 target , may not missed ... waiting for hours/days for just one opportunity ... ??). still trying to read & absorb it, while doing my homework ...
Applying this some winning trades in a row idea with a good trading plan (including: precise entry time, small draw down, good money management, patient, etc ... yes, i know in practice it is not so easy as it's sound .... ) , as i know is very very hard, almost impossible right... ??
anyway, waiting for your entry examples ... and thanks for creating this thread
  • #835
  • Jun 2, 2020 2:15pm Jun 2, 2020 2:15pm
Auric, nice concept, but how is this going to work on Gold:O

I did some calculations with 300 Leverage and 30% stop out, which is offered by Tickmill

So you would need to guess 0.33% of the move, which with example of 1500 starting price is a move to 1504,95

1500*1,0033=1504,95 == ~ 50 pips + spread to get 100%, is this correct?

On other hand you stoploss can only be

30/300 = 0,1%

1500*0,99 = 1485 == 15 pips - 5 pips spread == you have only 10 pip SL to work with

I wonder if my calculation is correct?

Basically what we are doing here is trying to achieve 1:5 RR in order to double our account? Who here can find perfect entries that allows 9 pips Drawdown only :/

Please correct me If i have gone astray from your original concept.

Also i had another problem, I tried to open 6 lot size on gold to achieve 3000 with 50 pips on tickmill, it says not enough money

Best regards Duy
  • #836
  • Jun 2, 2020 7:30pm Jun 2, 2020 7:30pm
Quoting duy90
Auric, nice concept, but how is this going to work on Gold:O I did some calculations with 300 Leverage and 30% stop out, which is offered by Tickmill So you would need to guess 0.33% of the move, which with example of 1500 starting price is a move to 1504,95 1500*1,0033=1504,95 == ~ 50 pips + spread to get 100%, is this correct? On other hand you stoploss can only be 30/300 = 0,1% 1500*0,99 = 1485 == 15 pips - 5 pips spread == you have only 10 pip SL to work with I wonder if my calculation is correct? Basically what we are doing here is trying to...
Hi Duy,
interesting ... i never touch Gold in these some years of trading, and do not really understand how to calculate it in metal ... can you please explain more ? i still can not understand some points here ...
*) you wrote that 30/300 = 0.1% , is it not 10% ??
*) entry at 1500, exit at 1504.95 ... it is not only 4.95 pips ? you wrote it is ~50 pips
*) lets say the spread is 5 pips (based on your example 15 pips-5pips = 10 pips SL), so the target is now only ( 4.95 -5 = 0 pips ... instead of 50-5 = 45 pips) ???
*) achieving 1:5 RR ... this is also not clear to me ... if (for example) we calculate based on pips ( SL/TP ) , with 10 pips SL : 50 pips TP, then yes it is almost 1:5 Risk Reward ...
but if we calculate based on percentage = 10% risk / 100% TP , then it is now 1:10 RR . which one is the right calculation ?

any explanation is welcome, and sorry' for my beginner questions ...
  • #837
  • Jun 3, 2020 3:58am Jun 3, 2020 3:58am
Quoting newhope
{quote} Hi Duy, interesting ... i never touch Gold in these some years of trading, and do not really understand how to calculate it in metal ... can you please explain more ? i still can not understand some points here ... *) you wrote that 30/300 = 0.1% , is it not 10% ?? *) entry at 1500, exit at 1504.95 ... it is not only 4.95 pips ? you wrote it is ~50 pips *) lets say the spread is 5 pips (based on your example 15 pips-5pips = 10 pips SL), so the target is now only ( 4.95 -5 = 0 pips ... instead of 50-5 = 45 pips) ??? *) achieving 1:5 RR ......
*30/300 == 0,1 so i just added % after it, the formula is coming from auric I dont have enough braincells to think this much outside box

*1500 - 1504 = 40 pips, because gold is 2 decimal, therefore its 1500.00 to 1504.95 = 49.5 pips, if you want to be sure, then open MT4 and gold chart then take cross hair and measure

We are now trying to get entry with 10 SL as with TP of 50 therefore its 1:5 RR with my calculations

Best regards, Duy
  • #838
  • Jul 9, 2020 6:31pm Jul 9, 2020 6:31pm
Is this thread still on??? There'd been no post more than a whole month now
Jus tryna be a BILLIONAIRE!
  • #839
  • Edited 3:49am Jul 10, 2020 3:37am | Edited 3:49am
Quoting obatraid
Is this thread still on??? There'd been no post more than a whole month now
I'm still following this thread. Trying with small money some ideas... This week started a new approach something like this:

1) Running special EA which does not make entries but averages out manually made entries

2) Manually making entries - using Stohastic M30, M5, M1. GBPUSD only. Follow up fundamentals too for "main trend" decision. Then go in on retraces.

3) TP 10 pips. On SL 20 pips start averaging (opening additional order in same direction)

4) About 4-10 deals (including averaging) per day - my target 50% - 100% profit per day

5) Averaging is risky strategy - but Cheetah is all about risk

Inspiration from here:

Mrdfx made already n>4 with real money. He started from 100 usd now 2000 usd. He use averaging: https://www.forexfactory.com/mrdfx#acct.00

Here another example by Abokwaik - averaging too used: https://www.forexfactory.com/abokwaik#acct.87

For entries I decided to use Stohastic - by analyzing this success account where made 350k from 1k in 1 day (contest): https://www.contestfx.com/contest-it...y/332/2452720/
  • #840
  • Jul 10, 2020 5:27am Jul 10, 2020 5:27am
Quoting joyny
{quote} I'm still following this thread. Trying with small money some ideas... This week started a new approach something like this: 1) Running special EA which does not make entries but averages out manually made entries 2) Manually making entries - using Stohastic M30, M5, M1. GBPUSD only. Follow up fundamentals too for "main trend" decision. Then go in on retraces. 3) TP 10 pips. On SL 20 pips start averaging (opening additional order in same direction) 4) About 4-10 deals (including averaging) per day - my target 50% - 100% profit per day 5)...
It appears you started the Cheetah tread Sir...?

WOW!!!, who on GOD's green earth is the trader in that CopyFX Contest, did he trade on steroids... Jeese...

WOW! I would so much like to be inclined on this trading strategy, BUT I don't know how averaging works, and the analytical tools I know so far are RSI and following Trend lines, I trade with MT5, (I don't know the stoch analysis pattern), my current account equity is $500

ALL HELP APPRECIATED, I anticipate your response Sir...
Jus tryna be a BILLIONAIRE!
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