CHEETAH Trading (100%+ per trade or up to 500% or more)

Hi guys, in the past I had some threads when we tried to make as much TP20SL20 trades in a row as possible... Also had a thread where we tried to find OPTIMAL entry, with high-leverage and then just WAIT for profits to build, in this single trade and then STOP. No overtrading, because at risks like this, one should be happy to get 500% ONCE... In a single trade, it is possible... Have TEs published in my PROFILE...

I believe this thread should be seen in MM (MetalsMine)and EE (Energy EXCH) forums since I will be posting XAU/USD and WTI/USD mostly... Have been tracking those markets and seem they provide some EPIC opportunities, we just must find them or try to find enough of them to compensate for the loses that will happen in this set-up, that is clear. The juice/point is in the knowing when to stop or doing the numbers game... meaning, REPEAT till RICH AF...

So the primary markets would be ENERGY or METALS (at least from my side)... Since I think they might provide much greater moves/opportunities, at the moment at least, for this than the FX which was the focus before...

But just to show you what is possible... see those threads (TP20SL20 and SINGLE STRIKE that were posted on FF, for eurusd mostly) that I will now abandon/suspend for the sake of this GROUPED one where we will be posting both types of trading strategies but for ENERGY/METALS...

IMPORTANT SUMMARY of TS is this...

Post/signal template:

1. MARKET (for example: XAU/USD)
2. ENTRY PRICE (for example: 1500)
3. TP (for example 1505)
4. LEVERAGE (for example (200:1)
5. SL (for example... 1500)
6. CERTAINTY LEVEL (for example: 60%)
7. ESTIMATED TIMEFRAME (for example 60minutes)

Just post trades and then we see what happens, its all about the endgame, stat, numbers game... And then we shall see.. Might add TE(s) later... Most probably will!
I plan to "attack" XAUUSD and WTI OIL mostly, with this TS.. Have been testing markets for a while, you can also check some of my sample TEs in the profile.. and it seems there are epic opportunities, just had to find optimal entry level and either pull rather quickly, at 100% (per trade) or wait for it to build to 500% (per trade)..

Ok so the core of this Trading System (TS) is to WAIT for GOLDEN or OIL WELL opportunity and then ATTACK it, HUNT for the KILL, CHEETAH STYLE.. and then rest till the next opportunity... Just watching not to over-exhaust.. or re-attack too soon... Not much explanation, just post signal, wait for it or post ABORT code if you think it is not going well... etc... Then post after-math and if you post a lot, some summary of your either 100% per trade trades or 500% per trade signals... That is about it...

Now to show you what is possible... Just to illustrate..
Yes there are some technical formalities, like some brokers do not allow to open FULL account position or stop-out level (not to be confused with margin call) can not be that low to let certain "turning radius" aka Stop Loss (SL) to go through, to let the trade "breath" or give it room to dance in opposite direction a while before it strikes to the wanted one...) But let's focus on the illustration that is very close. If the broker etc... would be a "weak link", that can solved easily, believe me... Focus on trades/stat for now please, demo or real, does not matter, just show the juice
For GOLD... you can that if the gold moves from 1500->1507,5 that is 100% return at 200:1 leverage, all account=position.
For WTI... 57->56,715, for same return, at 200:1...
There might be leverage reduction after certain LOT size etc... but let's focus on giving good signals, to make (good) statistics and then focus on those technicalities if they would be a weak link at all.

So at 100%.. that means x2 on the trade, meaning balance doubles per trade... so now we can see this power of exponential function...
$100 USD initial deposit and possibly $100 hundred thousand USD withdrawal after 10 successful trades...
To like 5 trades is rather realistically possible, we have tested before... But let's try to go to n=10 or beyond, if it would pay off for the miss-trials also...

1. 100 USD in, after 5 (n=5) successful trials in a row, 3200 USD out! https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*2%5E5 or
2. 100 USD in, after 7 (n=7) successful trials in a row, 12800 USD out! https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*2%5E7 or
3. 100 USD in, after 10 (n=10) successful trials in a row, 102400 USD out! https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*2%5E10

Motivated yet? 100USD to 100 thousand USD! Some good money right?

Or at longer trades... aka SINGLE STRIKE... One can wait for 500% return (per (one) trade)... and then stop...
500% means, 1k USD in, 6k OUT... (factor of x6)

Also, remember... the whole philosophy is that of a CHEETAH.. See some motivation

From the video... it seems that the Cheetah has 50% win rate vs LIONS 1/6% win rate...
BTW, I am sure (or at least hope) you know what 50% win-rate would mean at this HIGH STAKES level... and at profitable Risk:Reward setup!

Be inspired by the CHEETAHs, not the CHEATERs!

QUICK update: Will be testing markets (WTI and GOLD) privately, for the next week, for this type of HIGH STAKES (cheetahs love BIG stakes), high risk but EPIC (serial) profits... CHEETAH STYLE! And then I'll start publishing (based on next weeks stat - to see what type of TP/SL/leverage setup would be best vs risk, market status etc...). Will most probably be publishing TEs, tied to this thread, also, if all goes well.. Others please do post your CHEETAH style signals... Do not be afraid of failure, it is a must, then repeat! The important thing is a THE ENDGAME (money, right?)... Stay tuned!

By the way... "Cheetah" Traders are a known term... for HF trading etc... There is even a "Purebred cheetahs" term But in this thread, we use it slightly for other purpose... Because it is still CHEETAH because of the PRECISION, SPEED... but not on that microsecond scale or anything... But still, waiting for golden/oily opportunity and then HUNT FOR THE KILL... is the same https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertl.../#78118ef7094b

BTW, need to wait for the next week.. to gather some data, also I suspect some massive terraforming happening this week... For example.. awaiting for eurusd reaching/passing 1.1000... that would help trigger NEW cycles... that are in 2+ week stall... hopefully previous cycles will be complete by the end of next week at which point we can start testing this CHEETAH kills

Took a little test today, but not optimal market conditions atm... (check TE from other thread/system... in my profile, +5.1% burst only)

Also, if anyone is more interested in MARATHON style trades... for either GOLD or WTI... please do check (my dedicated threads for this) here:

1. https://www.metalsmine.com/showthread.php?t=951941
2. https://www.energyexch.com/showthread.php?t=951937

Just remember, some are MARATHONER personality... some are SPRINTERS... Some are both... I must admit that I am of a SPRINTER personality
I like to FOCUS AF for shorts periods of time... I mean I like the latest terminator's quote... (yeah, the M. Davis one when SHE said...

I mean, honestly... I prefer to TRADE INTENSELY in certain timeframes but then rest a lot, like CAT... What I hunt I would put in a fridge and be ready to accept low profit but would love the stability or FU level
Grace: My metabolism was tooled for short, intense bursts. You either stop a terminator in the first few minutes, or you’re dead.
Terminator: DARK FATE, https://www.moviequotesandmore.com/t...e-best-quotes/

Similar to CHEETAH...

This type of trading is not for everyone,... if they would want to try it themselves... but they are free to check, copy even... we'll see soon...
Preparations are almost complete - 68% atm... 95% within 48h... 99% by this Friday, 99.9% by the end of the week and then we shall ATTACK, HUNT for the KILL

Hey Auric I'm subscribed... quick question: Are you intending posters in this thread follow either of these two systems: TP20SL20 and SINGLE STRIKE? Or are there separate rules for the CHEETAH

Will suspend TP20SL and SINGLE STRIKE threads just now... This CHEETAH thread will be the main/only for this... Will also dropping EURUSD talk... Will talk WTI and GOLD only! Unless a very good reason to talk anything else.. So stay tuned BTW will inform people about this in those TP20SL20, SINGLE STRIKE threads about this also, in a few minutes and redirect them here...

Happy to inform you that this happened just today... So I plan to start trying CHEETAH style next week, awaiting this week for markets to now stabilise after the consolidation and then we shall try next week, and might start REAL hard, the week after that... Also done with talking/referencing other markets, eurusd for example...
Will focus on WTI/GOLD now only... So stay tuned! We start on Monday TRIAL week and if all goes well... we begin with REAL money trials... a week after that one...

Hi
I'm intrigued by doubling account size after each trade.
I didn't fully understand your math so let's make a realistic example.
Account size: 100USD
Leverage: 500:1
Account balance we want after the trade: 200USD
How much do I need to invest to achieve the wanted result without getting margin call?
Thanks

100 USD The more important thing is how TIGHT/precise can you predict price (movement), it is about optimal entry point, precision... because SL/stop-out (turning radius) let the market breath.. so that it has a room "for error" before the TP.. Many try to squeeze it too tight and dream 0% risk for 100% win, good luck to them Since I do not know which market are you interested in... I decided to discuss WTI/GOLD in this thread but you are free to use it for other markets, so I will give you more general answer... For example:

1. Balance: 100 USD
2. Leverage: 100:1 (as an example)...

You would need basically to "guess" the price move of 1% in order to make 100% at 100:1... Because 1% x 100 (leverage) is 100%
Let's say we are talking about GOLD... let's assume price around 1500... That would mean... if the price goes to 1515 and you made a BUY...
you would get 100% return at 100:1... AND... we are also talking about the STOP-OUT (yeah, some brokers equals margin call=stop out, but it is not the same, stop out is when broker closes your trade... at margin call they might just "call" you on more deposit/close etc...)... So if you have a broker that has STOP-OUT at 15%...
That would mean, you can have a "turning radius" of 85%... so if we divide by leverage (assumed 100:1), that would mean (85%/100) 0,85%... So if the price moves 0,85% against you, you are out... So 1487,25 in this case... I didn't count in the SWAPS, spreads etc... but you get the MAIN picture I hope

Also one "problem" with WTI/GOLD is that it is hard to find reliable/respectable broker with high leverage and low stop-out... But lower leverage gives us more room also.. so it is what it is

You understand?

BTW I intend to use fxpro or octafx for this...
Fxpro (global division) offers 200:1 for GOLD (to 50 lots - do not stick to it, let's get there first then we shall worry about it or negotiate...). I think they offer 20% stop-out level for gold also... https://www.fxpro.com/leverage-information

Octafx offers 200:1 for GOLD (to 50 lots - do not stick to it, let's get there first then we shall worry about it or negotiate...). I think they offer 15% stop-out level for gold also... https://www.octafx.com/accounts-comparison/

So at 200:1, same example by before... 100 USD balance...
You would need basically to "guess" the price move of 0.5% in order to make 100% at 200:1... Because 0.5% x 200 (leverage) is 100%
Let's say we are talking about GOLD... let's assume price around 1500... That would mean... if the price goes to 1507.5 and you made a BUY...
you would get 100% return at 200:1... And SL could be MAX (if full position opened) at 1493.63.

BTW Assuming you can enter FULL ACCOUNT=POSITION.. usually there is some RESERVE so they do not allow to open FULL.. but still close enough You will see more later in real life examples... You can also check my TEs where I traded GOLD... or WTI... And compare price difference vs return (at 200:1)..

And remember guys... we just need to hit it 10 times (n=10) in a row, to get 100USD->100k USD... at 100% per trade
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*2%5E10

Or in just 3 strides (n=3) from 100USD->21k USD... at 500% per trade
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*6%5E3
Or! 100USD-> to FEW mio USD in 5 strides (n=5).. at 500% per trade...
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100*6%5E6
Yes, 500% means x6 on the deposit/trade...

But please do not expect this 500% signals to drop like a rain, at least not from my side... a lot of parameters has to be almost perfect... because the margin for error is so small... 100% per trade signals might be much more frequent... in general, but still, for the selective ones... much less... and those we might pull to 500%... because once we pass the 100% it gets much easier... maybe

BTW, above calcs are just for illustration, please do not start with technicalities like OMG LOT size limit (at that leverage) at broker etc... because everything can be dealt with, if that would really be the problem aka bottleneck...

So hope you are inspired and not false hoped at the same time... Let's see what happens!
NEXT week...

Intrigued and ready to rock A, anything that boosts the profits is a winner, subbed, D

Thanks

I'll be here Monday.

Np Also, at 500:1... Found a broker that might be suitable for this, for XAUUSD... but more about the details later... But just to brief... I would prefer to trade this via company (corporate veil) since this broker has no negative balance protection... And 500:1 is extremely risky to trade without that... at least to me.. It has 50% auto-close (margin call=stop out) but that is not enough of a protection for me...

Just to give you example of calc for 500:1.. since it might take "too long" to get 100% per trade at 200:1

For example:

1. Balance: 100 USD
2. Leverage: 500:1 (as an example)...

You would need basically to "guess" the price move of 0.2% in order to make 100% at 500:1... Because 0.2% x 500 (leverage) is 100% Let's say we are talking about GOLD... let's assume price around 1500... That would mean... if the price goes to 1503 and you made a BUY... you would get 100% return at 500:1... AND... we are also talking about the STOP-OUT (yeah, some brokers equals margin call=stop out, but it is not the same, stop out is when broker closes your trade... at margin call they might just "call" you on more deposit/close etc...)... So if you have a broker that has STOP-OUT(=margin call) at 50%... That would mean, you can have a "turning radius" of 50%... so if we divide by leverage (assumed 500:1), that would mean (50%/500) 0,1%... So if the price moves 0,1% against you, you are out... So 1498,5 in this case... So very tight!

Anyway, any other of you have data/info about the NEG protection broker that offers 500:1 for WTI and/or GOLD And has LOW MARGIN CALL(=STOP OUT)?
Found one at 500:1 for GOLD or WTI but has stop-out at 50% (also no negative balance protection).. so this would be extremely difficult... but it would preserve HALF of the money in case something goes wrong... But NOT SURE if that kind of precision would be possible at that high leverage (at least not by me atm)... Otherwise we might start with 200:1... at 15% stop.. and check if the precision is good.. if it would be, we could upgrade to glory 500:1 at 50% stop out... But would like to find a broker with 500:1 and like 10-15% Stop-out? Anyone? If there isn't one, we can still find/(negotiate with) one if the (overall trading at this CHEETAH style) statistics would be favourable...

Yeah, also bear in mind that we might not enter at all.. since CHEETAH watches for opportunity... This is not a marathon thing.. like trading few times a day... The opportunity might not arise... But... will also consider if posting certain trades but mark them as LOW-"certainty"... just to have some track record and start posting, checking... Also, next will will most definitely be a LIVE trading week at that high leverage... I might just POST signals by (time)stamped post.. and enter possible TP.. within suggested SL... and attach certainty level... and then we watch what happens.. After next weel will be over and all looks good, we might enter LIVE trades... at 200:1... the week after that one... but for 500:1.. we might wait if the statistics will be favourable for this, if there is any good broker that provides a good combo of 500:1 at low stop-out and no neg protection... If there will be no neg balance protection, we might find another one and if it doesn't exist... would take a little longer even, to create a company for it... just in case... because we might never know when the next flash crash can happen.. and without neg balance and low liquidity... we can seriously exposure our (personal) assets Glad I opened this thread about company formation... https://www.energyexch.com/showthread.php?t=953443
So we will see what happens next week... Monday is like 50/50... but on Tuesday/Wednesday I plan to at least POST some signal.. if at least SOMEWHAT of an opportunity arrises Would attach certainty level of course.. so that we might later try to see the co-relation between certainty levels of signals and actual win-rate...
So to see what kind of stat the most-certain ones bring.. and go from there...

Also guys, if we would be able to pull off (and that is saying something) 500:1 (account=position at every compounding) trade/s, with 50% margin/stop-out (with company, corporate veil - taken care good, for additional protection)... that might be a GAME CHANGER.. because we might not need to PULL-OUT (in order to avoid the "black swan") but just STOP after we do meet "him" or not at all! just continuing! since we would still preserve 50% of it if we lose at certain trade.. You see that would be GLORY "HOLE" (or HOLLY GRAIL) for me.. of ALL the TRADING... x2 per trade aka 100% per trade... and at 50% margin/stop... Which would mean... R:R 2:1... I mean BEST of a ALL worlds I have seen so far Because we might start with much bigger deposit, not to waste the "n"s because at 50% is not that bad.. so DEPOSITING 1k USD (1,000.00 USD) would bring us 1 million dollars in 10 steps! And we could play/fail ALONG the way.. as long as we neutralise the loses along the way, without even pulling out (which with 50% loss might even be possible, much more so).. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1000*2%5E10

And even if we FAIL along the way, at "only" 50% stop... we can NEUTRALISE them along the way... since RR 2:1... we can have 100steps... neutralising 90/2 (45 of them.. yeah there are some costs of trading itself, but you get the idea

But there is a good thing that WTI, GOLD markets might be actually good for this... unlike some other more volatile market(s) that were used for this before...

So atm... ANYTHING can happen... Hoping for the best... Just be prepared to FAIL along the way... We will focus on the (epic) ENDGAME though

BTW currently think that we might start with GOLD with this, but WTI might show a good opportunity next week! Will see... But since WTI is going UP... might be a profitable way to slide down! WILL SEE SOON! VERY SOON! Be prepared...

I like that AF

Can we get some inspiration here with this Millionaire course from https://www.expert4x.com/ ?

Tnx, we might get inspiration from wherever... I believe so deeply.. Some people judge the "channel" of inspiration... But I welcome any inspiration by whatever source, even if one is inspired by CAT, like this very thread, inspired, somewhat, by CHEETAH Anyway, could you sum up the source you provided... I have skipped it quickly, but haven't figured out what number am I looking at exactly... Found that "$ 2 500 into $ 1.4 Mil course" Like the title But I do not see the juice, I guess would have to pay first? Please post whatever you like, for inspiration You could post something out of that website (fine by me at least, not sure about forum rules about posting commercials though) you provided... if it either inspires or show HOW to achieve something like that...

Merka, and others...

Ok, have prepared one quick example (TE - TradeExplorer) for you... https://www.energyexch.com/auricforecas#acct.45
to see what it takes to get about 25% per trade... since markets are closing now... You can see the LEVERAGE, PRICE entry, PRICE exit... vs PER TRADE return... and OVERALL return of an account.. with money/sizes etc... You can see the "turning radious" etc.. And that entry at so high precision is possible etc.. I believe I opened maximum position at that balance... So you can deduct that for 25% return per trade, adding +25% to overall return.. it would take enter at 1,466.57 and exit at 1,467.28.. so 0.71 price difference or 0.0484% change (x 500:1 leverage = 24,21% return)... Also you can see the costs of the trade itself... Hope that was representative, not the full 100% we are aiming, but 1/4 is still good for this demonstration right I have attached this TE (TradeExplorer) to this thread... BTW I have 8 slot limit for TEs.. so I might replace this one with better one, once we start REAL trading... Next week might be just in a form of posts...

DISCLAIMER: This attached TE is not a representation of TRADES or WINS (rate) or anything... It was created, this time, today, for ONE SOLE REASON (EXAMPLE).. To show you what it takes to get 25% (peak was even higher), per trade... what price difference to AIM for... LEVERAGE etc... So that it would help you understanding the MATH behind what we are trying to do here and how COULD be done, potentially.... Compare this example with my previous pre-calculations, it should match (aside of trade costs etc...). You can also see how risky it is and why "turning radius" is needed! We are dealing with extreme precision here! But hey, if it would be easy... I mean, just imagine, only 10 (100% per trade) trades needed to get us from 1k to 1mio... Worth some time to at least test/try, right?

One more thing... IF we would be able to trade with 500:1, 100% per trade, within 50% stop-out.. AND would be able to have the CHEETAH's success/win-rate.. we could try forever (till epic win)... (assuming we pay/compensate the trade costs also). If you check the video from first post.. It says "a full 50% of the time a CHEETAH hunts, it kills"... right here... Some motivation for the weekend So I think this 100% return at 50% SL/MARGIN/STOP might be the optimal setup for this, if we can pull it off... Might even be possible at this WTI or/and GOLD... Hm... Will see, soon!

Also, should we really make any good money out of this, I think it would be appropriate to remember "them" https://cheetah.org/ Will donate if I pull enough/anything from this... or even sponsor if GOOD money comes It would be awesome to have SPONSORED cheetah for this (thread)... Man...
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