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  • #321
  • Oct 1, 2019 12:54am Oct 1, 2019 12:54am
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} Yes, there is. You are correct here. OK. One very very last thing. You must learn how to flip. This allows you to lock-unlock-lock properly. You must work with stop-limit strategy for the trend strategy and with limit-stop strategy for the hedge. Thus, at the proper time, both strategies will hold the stop trades open. Together with the trend. This last thing is an Universe alone... offering unlimited hedging possibilities. The big money in trend, lays at single batch over trading. This is exactly the opposite of what everyone online, in...
Good morning!
Thank you MZ for your insights. I'am sorry if it seems that I'm being a brain sucker or something. I understand how you may feel. I'm really sorry but ... you know. I don't wanna fail ...again...
I've been trying so hard here...3am

So ... there are two things. Let me consider that trend is up...:
1. Trend Strategy (Stop-Limit) -- Starts with a buy and ends with a limit.
2. Hedge Strategy (Limit-Stop) -- this one is messing my head. So, the hedge opens with a limit order and close with a stop order? So it's locking in negative pips?

If at some point both will have the stop orders open with the trend, It means that both limit orders will lock with each other?

So confusing. I think I didn't get something right..
It seems my IQ is 30 and I only understand things through rock painting
I'll keep trying. Thanks!
  • #322
  • Oct 1, 2019 2:31am Oct 1, 2019 2:31am
Quoting Offujimori
{quote} 1. Trend Strategy (Stop-Limit) -- Starts with a buy and ends with a limit.
Not neccesserly starts with a buy. Think for a moment what Stop-Limit means. I speak about flips, too. Connect the dots. Buy trend, ultimately ends up with a buy order in here, for example.
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2. Hedge Strategy (Limit-Stop) -- this one is messing my head.
If you figure out the Stop-Limit, that one comes naturally.

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So, the hedge opens with a limit order and close with a stop order? So it's locking in negative pips? If at some point both will have the stop orders open with the trend, It means that both limit orders will lock with each other?
no, no, no, no. this is all wrong. It is a technique. Once in master of it, no one could ever stop you. Some zones simply cannot ever get clean up by whatever SL hunt. It simply gets better and better and better... for you!

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So confusing. I think I didn't get something right..
Hedging with static hedge trades is a completely different animal. You need a stop strategy to get along with it. No multipliers whatsoever or lotsize increases in both strategies. My cousin does exactly this. He does not hedge every stop order the stop strategy opens. He hedges channels. He finds them and hedges them. Only the channel borders. This where he bets on a fakeout exit. And he seems to be rather right, than wrong. When a real breakout happens in a buy trend, he closes the losing hedge at the next bottom channel touch. Higher up there. At loss. Buy the stop strategy makes it big time, cause it also catches the same channel's upper border and thus the hedge trade loss is significantly smaller than the stop order profit.

My style is different. I work with bottoms and tops. But we ultimately end up hedging similar zones. Most of the times.

You can hedge in trend and make a shitload of pips, as our experience shows...

Please, focus on my cousin's approach, as I cant share a thing about my style.

The above 1 and 2 is absolutely not for sharing. I am sorry.

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It seems my IQ is 30 and I only understand things through rock painting I'll keep trying. Thanks!
When compared to me, you probably have 2.5 times bigger chances to make it in trading then! We speak a language others can't understand. They are too smart and too sophisticated...

I think my iq has dropped to 69 recently. Will honestly update it in my profile. Thanks for the insight, mate!
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #323
  • Oct 1, 2019 2:49am Oct 1, 2019 2:49am
Master Gold, please, go down to 1,430 today?

I have never ever made 1,000 pips in between two stop signals on the straight line. Although I have just made 1,000 pips from 1,500 to 1,530 and then to 1,460? But that one took me a flip? It wasn't on the straight line.

Do it for me, please. Make me happy, please, please, please...

Your Servant, MZ.
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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #324
  • Edited 4:44pm Oct 1, 2019 3:48pm | Edited 4:44pm
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When a real breakout happens in a buy trend, he closes the losing hedge at the next bottom channel touch. Higher up there. At loss. Buy the stop strategy makes it big time, cause it also catches the same channel's upper border and thus the hedge trade loss is significantly smaller than the stop order profit

It's truly heavy the importance of timing than because of closing the positions on different time/price... The risk is that we need to be good to "find" that timing. Otherwise he (your cousin) for example could close the winning order at the high but the market keeps going up and that losing position would drain him... isn't it?

On the other hand the real good thing about hedge is that you can lock and wait until things get aligned...but timing is a must

Thank you!
  • #325
  • Oct 1, 2019 5:10pm Oct 1, 2019 5:10pm
Quoting Offujimori
{quote} It's truly heavy the importance of timing than because of closing the positions on different time/price...
This is not an issue at all.

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The risk is that we need to be good to "find" that timing.

No. You only need to know where is channel's top border and where is channel's bottom border.

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Otherwise he (your cousin) for example could close the winning order at the high but the market keeps going up and that losing position would drain him... isn't it?

Not really. He uses a TP for the trend orders around 200+ pips and for the hedges around 1/2 of the trend TP. When the rate goes further up, after the TP, he reopens, because this is how his chart looks like. I think this picture is very self explanatory and needs no explanations from me...
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On the other hand the real good thing about hedge is that you can lock and wait until things get aligned...but timing is a must
That is the whole thing. It is the strategy which compensates the lack of knowledge on the timing we all do not poses. The strategy will never be perfect. The question is to deliver positive pips. The more, the better. But look for no perfection. Just compensate the lack of the right timing (we all are dreaming about to catch it) with a decent plan. What to do at that line, if there is a breakout or a fakeout? Repeated practice will tell you the right answer...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #326
  • Oct 2, 2019 12:11am Oct 2, 2019 12:11am
The strong sell continues. Yesterday’s buys pullback was all covered by the sells, which usually means a soon return to the lower zones around 1460.

Here are the last 3 weeks or so. 8 sell days vs 6 buy days.
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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #327
  • Oct 2, 2019 5:06am Oct 2, 2019 5:06am
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Today is a small copy of yesterday. I have not witnessed two consecutive days having that behaviour. Today is not over yet...

The price should fall, even if it is not going to happen today.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #328
  • Oct 2, 2019 12:27pm Oct 2, 2019 12:27pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} This is not an issue at all. {quote} No. You only need to know where is channel's top border and where is channel's bottom border. {quote} Not really. He uses a TP for the trend orders around 200+ pips and for the hedges around 1/2 of the trend TP. When the rate goes further up, after the TP, he reopens, because this is how his chart looks like. I think this picture is very self explanatory and needs no explanations from me... {image} {quote} That is the whole thing. It is the strategy which compensates the lack of knowledge on the timing...
Hello MZ!
Man, thank you for posting that image. For me - a person who easily understand things through rock painting - It was clarifying.
Right now I'm working with a strategy to work with the probability I have of 93% in Brazil's futures during 10h-11h.

Well, It's based on volatility and I know that 93% of the time price will either touch R1 or S1 (1H Pivot Points) . When It does not touch, It's because It already opened below or above. I've checked 181 trading days to find it out.

Problem is: I don't know wich one will price reach first. So that's why I'm working with hedge! But I know It will ALWAYS touch one of them

About your trade: congratulations!!! look at that 15lots on sell side with the price dropping down insanely... really nice! I'll get there!!
  • #329
  • Oct 2, 2019 1:50pm Oct 2, 2019 1:50pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
The strong sell continues. Yesterday’s buys pullback was all covered by the sells, which usually means a soon return to the lower zones around 1460. Here are the last 3 weeks or so. 8 sell days vs 6 buy days. {image}
Now strong buy? I used to watch some signals online... and it was always some STRONGS... changed within a second
I would say that from the beginning of next week.. I would be on the BUY side... maybe not STRONGly... but stilll BUY... BUY to HOLD would be best of course, but also like the trading
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #330
  • Oct 3, 2019 2:27am Oct 3, 2019 2:27am
Quoting Offujimori
{quote} Hello MZ! Man, thank you for posting that image. For me - a person who easily understand things through rock painting - It was clarifying.

Here is more rock shock from Master Cousin Sensei.
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Right now I'm working with a strategy to work with the probability I have of 93% in Brazil's futures during 10h-11h. Well, It's based on volatility and I know that 93% of the time price will either touch R1 or S1 (1H Pivot Points) . When It does not touch, It's because It already opened below or above. I've checked 181 trading days to find it out. Problem is: I don't know wich one will price reach first. So that's why I'm working with hedge! But I know It will ALWAYS touch one of them

Here is one simple approach of reducing around and over 50% of the "fake" signals. They are "fake" just because it is a matter of equalising the buys and the sells and presenting this game as a 50:50 probability game, which presentation is nothing, but a pure bullshit.

You can offset from the signal with x pips away. There are direct offsets, like a straight x pips distance, which is more stupid than it sounds, but still is a lot better than all other alternatives where you just take the naked signal directly right on the spot. And there are smart offsets, too. Very cunning. You can stimulate your brain to find them. They are not hard to find at all. And make the bankers feel quite uncomfortable, as their protection, against you, joining them, in the good move, just melts half down.

Here is around 50% wrong signal cunning filter outcome. I hope it helps.
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About your trade: congratulations!!! look at that 15lots on sell side with the price dropping down insanely... really nice! I'll get there!!

I usually trade a bouquet of nearly 50+ eas. It was not 1 trade. It did happen so, they were in sync. But that was due to the market conditions. As I have said it already, it does appear to me, there are no different strategies. That is my observation. And would not like to enter into any arguments on that with anyone. Trading is every (wo)man for him(her)self business.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #331
  • Oct 3, 2019 3:16am Oct 3, 2019 3:16am
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Now strong buy? I used to watch some signals online... and it was always some STRONGS... changed within a second I would say that from the beginning of next week.. I would be on the BUY side... maybe not STRONGly... but stilll BUY... BUY to HOLD would be best of course, but also like the trading

I see what you mean. Holding it for a month brings up massive pips at home.

About the strong wording. I do accept the criticism. It is deserved one.

However, I do wonder where were you when I have posted here calls of hundreds of pips in gains and some of them even turned out of making nearly 1,000 pips?

Based, on the post above, you can guess it I did filter the false sell signals and even made some buys at 1463-65 zone, 3-4 buy lots and obviously did close them quite early around 1482...
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Right now holding buys from 1482 to 1500 and some sells at 1500+ too.
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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #332
  • Oct 3, 2019 4:31am Oct 3, 2019 4:31am
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In which channel the rate will stay at?
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #333
  • Edited 4:36pm Oct 3, 2019 4:08pm | Edited 4:36pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
{image} In which channel the rate will stay at?
It seems like HEDGING TIME!

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Here is around 50% wrong signal cunning filter outcome. I hope it helps.

Thank you ! It did! I remmember that you shared something close to it when talking about MA crosses! Thank you for sharing images. I really understand them way better.

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I usually trade a bouquet of nearly 50+ eas. It was not 1 trade. It did happen so, they were in sync. But that was due to the market conditions.

Thats what I thought because you've said that at some point both strategies would leave the trades open with the trend. hehehe

BTW MZ If you don't mind, based on your experience what are your thoughts about that strategy? https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/184476
It does not increase the lots. It reduces the lots sizes. In my point of view It is a trend strategy that tries to reduce It's risk when things are not working well (wich is the contrary of martingale, multiplier, etc).
So.. what I was thinking here is... what if I could work with a range strategy inside that same box (recovery zone) to exploit the range while reducing my exposure on the trend strategy (presented on the image) and at the same time healing my margin that the trend strategy would be draining?

I'am sorry if It was a noob question. But since It's different from all the martingale, multipliers, suicide crazy things out there I would like to know your opinion considering your experience...! (Wich will be way better than reading people reply there)

PS: The thread's owner did the wrong pip calculations. But I've corrected it and checked. It's really a regressive lot strategy. It seems that the important thing is to have a Take Profit larger than the Recovery Zone

Thank you for all your posts!
  • #334
  • Oct 3, 2019 4:18pm Oct 3, 2019 4:18pm
The answer of a good trend following strategy is simple. You draw a line. Buy above it. Sell below it. Use a SL. Do not hold the trades open all the time. Reopen again, and again, and again. Whatever it takes. It is all just money management. Nothing else. This is the cheapest you can get to the trending months.

For more sophisticated approaches, you are holding the right answer in your hands here. It is the squares grid...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #335
  • Oct 4, 2019 8:24am Oct 4, 2019 8:24am
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Today, buys are holding it... How weirder this could go?

These buys are making me day dreaming about 1,540+?

Probably next Tuesday, I hope...

It is my hedges that have flipped from sells at ~1,514 to buys at ~1,500 and now I would love to see 1,520+. Today!
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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #336
  • Oct 7, 2019 1:18am Oct 7, 2019 1:18am
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Again, sells are being the true assholes today. Showing some muscles. Heavy sells tension... BUT, in the big XAU tread, they are selling it! Which I now consider a good business opportunity might pop out out of that (for me!)!

I have started to notice it, when they pick a side, in most of the times, like 2/3 or 3/4, the rate goes the opposite way! Last Tuesday, in a private twitter chat, I have shared my worries about that:
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Now, I am hoping for the best of my buys! The more they sell it there, the bigger the chance is for my buys to make it on to profit!
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #337
  • Oct 7, 2019 2:33pm Oct 7, 2019 2:33pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
{image} Again, sells are being the true assholes today. Showing some muscles. Heavy sells tension... BUT, in the big XAU tread, they are selling it! Which I now consider a good business opportunity might pop out out of that (for me!)! I have started to notice it, when they pick a side, in most of the times, like 2/3 or 3/4, the rate goes the opposite way! Last Tuesday, in a private twitter chat, I have shared my worries about that: {image} Now, I am hoping for the best of my buys! The more they sell it there, the bigger...
MoneyZilla.. kinda lost track of your trades but it seems, HOLDING the gold seems to be a good thing Now there might be an excellent opportunity for buyers that missed the BUY train.. to re-enter since gold dropped a little BTW it seems that one component of your trend trading seems to be similar to mine... The question is however... how exactly do we draw the line... One of my lines, in some other market, has been holding pretty much (awaiting for it to re-touch again)... since 25JUL19... I think I will do the line for GOLD also... just have much less data in that market atm.. but building up... BTW we seem to be aligned with the direction, BUY or how you say... BUY.. HOLD... release, buy again... If I understood... Good man..
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #338
  • Oct 7, 2019 6:06pm Oct 7, 2019 6:06pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
The answer of a good trend following strategy is simple. You draw a line. Buy above it. Sell below it. Use a SL. Do not hold the trades open all the time. Reopen again, and again, and again. Whatever it takes. It is all just money management. Nothing else. This is the cheapest you can get to the trending months. For more sophisticated approaches, you are holding the right answer in your hands here. It is the squares grid...

Greetings MZ! thx for all.
One doubt: how do mr. banker makes money?
  • #339
  • Oct 7, 2019 8:04pm Oct 7, 2019 8:04pm
Quoting Offujimori
{quote} Greetings MZ! thx for all. One doubt: how do mr. banker makes money?
Why would worry about mr banker, in a first place?!?
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #340
  • Edited 11:01pm Oct 7, 2019 10:38pm | Edited 11:01pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} David, I sense there is a misunderstanding at my end. Sorry about that. I was thinking that using the word "martingale" would mean any strategy based on some kind of a multiplier. When I have said martingale, I have meant a multiplier. Definitely a multiplier which is far away from doubling the previous lotsize. The thing I have meant under martingale you have describe it with your words: "Adding to a position, and even increasing the position size (number of lots) of subsequent trades". I am 100% sure that there is "a good multiplier strategy"....
Good morning!
Alright. I found more gold digging around the forum!

Do you still apply this point of view, MZ?

Seriously, thhanks for all information for around here

EDIT: I am studying a multiplier strategy based on pivot points right now because I have some good statistics based on them. So... well, my problem was how to deal with It's flaw... wich is a high amount of repetition that could eat my margin at some point...
"Every strategy has a weak point. Martingale, multipliers, no multipliers, whatever. Trade that weak point. Trade against the "good major strategy". Close both in different times. That is what I am suggesting."
Thanks to your posts I have a better idea now

BTW MZ, I hope you don't mind if I keep reading some of your past repplies or sharing them -otherwise, please warn me. They are very good


Best regards - and trades!
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