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  • #301
  • Sep 27, 2019 2:49pm Sep 27, 2019 2:49pm
Quoting Offujimori
I've been reading your posts and I must say that It was very meaningful to me (in a positive way) the fact that your thread at FF's bin is a hidden gem. Well, anyway... Since my dream is to trade for a living whatever It costs -btw that's why I dropped out of the best university here in my country years ago- I've been endlessly studying your posts.
Glad to see others who are getting benefit from this and other threads that make a difference in results. I've seen similar impact from learning from traders on these forums. Thanks for leading the thread MZ
If in doubt, paddle out!
  • #302
  • Sep 27, 2019 2:50pm Sep 27, 2019 2:50pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
Next week is NFP.
Time to party ya'll!!!!! Hope everyone has a great weekend and gets ready for some NFP fun next week.
If in doubt, paddle out!
  • #303
  • Edited 9:43pm Sep 27, 2019 7:00pm | Edited 9:43pm
Greetings people...!
So.. after a few days smashing my head against the wall because I'm too dumb (or resilient?) and reading again and again I've come to an understanding.

Hedging is about strategy and dealing with both sides of the market.
Well, It means that we have a 'play' between three aspects of POSITION DISTRIBUTION: SIZE OF EACH ORDER, NUMBER OF ORDERS (like 3 sell orders and 3 buy orders), SEQUENCE OF ORDERS (like buy below sells or sell below buys according to price).

Here is an image:
PS: I've wrote "BUY BOTTOM/SELL TOP" and ''BUY TOP/SELL BOTTOM" - but this view is WRONG. What matters is how the orders and sizes are distributed!
The concept of bottom and tops will only be valuable when we are deciding where to start or exit positions! But for the strategy of hedging itself the most important is THE SEQUENCE OF ORDERS. --I don't know if I am being clear. Just look at the image and see the diferences between each case...

OBSERVE THE "GUIDE" SQUARE AT RIGHT IF IN DOUBT

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Two important notes I can think of now:

1. The result will vary according to each position's distribution (aka size, sequence, number of orders) considering the actual price of the asset...!
2. The strategies can be interconnected to form something robust.

Next Step: I will simulate for each of the 8 cases some scenarios --> IF PRICE IS ABOVE, IF PRICE IS BELOW, IF PRICE IS IN THE MIDDLE of the position after
constructed.
Next Step.2: I will study the influence of order size ratios (like first lot is 0.1, second lot is 0.13, third lot is 0.15) and It's impacts on the results
Next Step.3: Elaborate Excel Spreadsheet (or do you recommend any software @MZ?)

Please:
-DON'T BE TOXIC.
-USE THE SAME WORDS HERE SO WE CAN SAY THE SAME LANGUAGE. The image has a index (aka 1A, 1B, 1C, 1D, 2A, 2B, 2C, 2D).


@MZ if you wish I can stop posting or move to a thread.
But I hope you can help me being a master (not a teacher) during those studies...!
I'am very grateful. Thanks!
Am I on the right way?
  • #304
  • Sep 28, 2019 9:16am Sep 28, 2019 9:16am
on mobile only. no powercharge. not a planned 2-day stay in the country, with 100 km in mountain ebike rides. weather was fantastic and refused to come back home for the weekend with the wife and the kids...

fucking wife and kids!

will write here on monday or late sunday. when back at home. thanks for the quality posts in this tread!
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #305
  • Sep 28, 2019 9:23am Sep 28, 2019 9:23am
catching some snakes today...
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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #306
  • Edited 1:28am Sep 30, 2019 1:08am | Edited 1:28am
"with 100 km in mountain ebike rides"
100KM? I could only go 55km till now (noob). 100km is like 8h-10h cycling?

About Hedging
Holy shit... Is it all about Open&Lock positions and wait until the right time&price comes to release all ?
I mean... what I`am building here keeps locking some profits but often there`s a stupid position opened that I couldn`t lock that sucks until price helps a little so I can close all with positive result

Omg there are some nice ways to Lock positions

3am...Monday
  • #307
  • Sep 30, 2019 1:23am Sep 30, 2019 1:23am
Quoting Offujimori
Holy shit... Is it all about Open&Lock positions and wait until the right time&price comes to release all ? Omg there are so many combinations to Lock positions 3am...Monday
aham...

shhhht.

keep silence, if you see it. ok?
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #308
  • Sep 30, 2019 3:03am Sep 30, 2019 3:03am
Quoting Offujimori
Omg there are some nice ways to Lock positions...
The ways of doing that are UNLIMITED...
Sometimes I get lost in the lock-reselease-lock options.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #309
  • Sep 30, 2019 5:06am Sep 30, 2019 5:06am
Last day of Sep'19. Could be a big day (i hope). The closing monthly wick will be interested to see how it will go? I wish the rate to surprise all buyers very unpleasantly!
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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #310
  • Sep 30, 2019 6:37am Sep 30, 2019 6:37am
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} {image} Lock-unlock and sometimes (not all the times) miracles do happen. I call this Price App Arbitrage. It is completely legal. For now.
Couldn't understand a single thing.
福 子 Victor V
  • #311
  • Sep 30, 2019 10:37am Sep 30, 2019 10:37am
Quoting MoneyZilla
Last day of Sep'19. Could be a big day (i hope). The closing monthly wick will be interested to see how it will go? I wish the rate to surprise all buyers very unpleasantly!
It did surprise them, I believe...
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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #312
  • Sep 30, 2019 11:33am Sep 30, 2019 11:33am
Quoting Sixer
Gold: The next move is to the downside to complete wave "X". Sixer {image}
This is THE HERO of Sep'19 on this forum! Seriously! Hats down!
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #313
  • Edited 12:23pm Sep 30, 2019 12:04pm | Edited 12:23pm
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} The ways of doing that are UNLIMITED... Sometimes I get lost in the lock-reselease-lock options.
Yes! It's wonderful. I can't see why people crucified you for those ideas ... and I must say that you gave it for free in a lot of posts but they didn't even try to understand.

Right now I'am trying to figure out what could I do with an open position that I couldn't lock to make it stop sucking margin/losing because the price went too far from where It was first opened. It seems that sometimes if I lock a position, I will unlock another one...

This is so much like playing chess

And I'am trying to figure out how does flip will help me too

"keep silence, if you see it. ok?"
It's all in your posts MZ! hahaha ... you gave it for free and people didn't care. It's like the story with the mafia guy that you share in bin's thread. "Even if you give a free and profitable strategy, 80% will not do it."


Thank you for your insights again!
I'll keep trying until I have some progress here... but you already told us where are the fishes.
When I start fishing with a net like you, I'll personally thank you! -no gay aspects here.
  • #314
  • Sep 30, 2019 12:59pm Sep 30, 2019 12:59pm
Quoting Offujimori
{quote} It seems that sometimes if I lock a position, I will unlock another one... This is so much like playing chess And I'am trying to figure out how does flip will help me too..
This is a very good situation you can start pushing your brain how to solve the problem. The side effect is your sleep will go away.

Hedge the loss. Your margin should heal significantly. Start from there. A new beginning. Small lot. You will rebuild later.

Build an idea. It won't work. Don't worry. Keep analyzing. How to improve it? Step by step. The losses will be small. You will recover them. Later. After the first proper hedge batch. This will take time. Depends on your efforts. It took me years. But my iq is really very low. Things might be different for you. I did not had that base, i.e. MZ's posts, which worth over 250k already, btw.

You will see many many many good things along the way. Adapt quickly. Do no stick to old ideas, only because you have locked some losses or even lost whatever money... This is the second most important thing here. It will prevent you from giving it all up. Use real money.

I was close to give it all up. It became way too expensive. When reached 250k. In trading I have lost ~70-80k or something. The rest is development costs. They are the higher cost for me.

Losing real money will keep you focused.

Once I thought demo was good. My bad. Fuck demo!

My trading dramatically have improved, once I have slowed down the development. It is very hard to develop indis and eas and meanwhile trade well. It is nearly impossible. Development has to go away, at some point, so the trading can improve. Right now i really do hate all development work i am still involved at, from the bottom of my heart.

You will know you have huge progress when you can easily see how to trade the annual trend.

I have slowed myself down big time, because I have and still am chasing the daily trading. Now huge success in there, but it was worthless effort. It costed me dearly. Over 4 sleepless years. Not worthy. The annual trend can make you rich big time. THEN, you can go down to the daily trading. I am so sorry there was not anyone around me to tell me this 3 years before...

About gays. I am cleaning the park in my neighborhood, after their routine activities, if you know what I mean? Especially their left overs. White with brown wet napkins. Other creamy liquids in mild rubber bags... someone has to clean the love zones after their play. Apparently, I was appointed for the task.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #315
  • Sep 30, 2019 1:17pm Sep 30, 2019 1:17pm
I now wonder, if we can do the same 1,000 pips? In between the two opposite signals? As I have missed them in the Aug'19 ascent? From 1,400 to 1,500? But this time from 1,530 to 1,430?
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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #316
  • Sep 30, 2019 1:24pm Sep 30, 2019 1:24pm
Offujimori, just between you and me. One last thing. To help you a little.

At some point in time, the so called stop trade and the hedge trade has to both point into the same direction. They both, have to be fluid. Always changing their locations. Until the rate does not offer any better location for both trades. This is how lock-unlock-lock works at its best.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #317
  • Sep 30, 2019 2:15pm Sep 30, 2019 2:15pm
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Build an idea. It won't work. Don't worry. Keep analyzing. How to improve it? Step by step. The losses will be small. You will recover them. Later. After the first proper hedge batch. This will take time. Depends on your efforts. It took me years. But my iq is really very low. Things might be different for you. I did not had that base, i.e. MZ's posts, which worth over 250k already, btw.

I'll do my best and I must agree that your posts worth gold -actually more.
Well... I'll keep studying and I must promise -not only to you but to myself too as a gratitude/honor thing- that when I find profitable strategies based on what I've learned from you I'll share with you like you do. I just don't know how long It will take for me to get there...hehe
Honor thing here! I must not lie otherwise seppuku awaits!

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You will know you have huge progress when you can easily see how to trade the annual trend.

I believe there's a way to hold the trend positions while closing the countertrend positions in small profits. The 'how' is hard part ! But I'll get there

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At some point in time, the so called stop trade and the hedge trade has to both point into the same direction. They both, have to be fluid. Always changing their locations. Until the rate does not offer any better location for both trades. This is how lock-unlock-lock works at its best.
Most of the time when I read your insights I don't get at first but I think soon I will be able to understand It better, but thanks MZ...


I'll keep in touch with you. I hope I can retribute those valuable teachings soon... with $$ results! It could be boobies... But I don't have boobies. So I hope I can give you a EA called "GIFT" that shits loads of cash!!!
  • #318
  • Sep 30, 2019 2:34pm Sep 30, 2019 2:34pm
Quoting Offujimori
{quote} I believe there's a way to hold the trend positions while closing the countertrend positions in small profits.
Yes, there is. You are correct here.

OK. One very very last thing.

You must learn how to flip.

This allows you to lock-unlock-lock properly.

You must work with stop-limit strategy for the trend strategy and with limit-stop strategy for the hedge. Thus, at the proper time, both strategies will hold the stop trades open. Together with the trend. This last thing is an Universe alone... offering unlimited hedging possibilities.

The big money in trend, lays at single batch over trading. This is exactly the opposite of what everyone online, in books, courses, forums, videos, whatever... is teaching you!
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #319
  • Sep 30, 2019 4:41pm Sep 30, 2019 4:41pm
Trading without hedges

vs.

Trading with hedges
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #320
  • Sep 30, 2019 11:19pm Sep 30, 2019 11:19pm
Sells gains are massive at the same levels, few hours later...

Daily:
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Globally:
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Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
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