Bessent: News coming Tue. on substantial support for US farmers; unfortunate China decided using soy in trade talks | Metals Mine
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Polimini
Oct 3, 2025 8:36am
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Quoting calderone
{quote} No, you paid for it perhaps.
lmao
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calderone
Oct 3, 2025 9:47am
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Quoting Polimini
{quote} inflation is rising and your taxes are paying for the farmer subsidies because of the tariffs (Bessent's words). If you can't see it you're just daft. Being a Trump supporter i guess it's your default state.
I tell you what I see on the ground and you go by what you hear. Inflation is cooling and my tax dollars are not being wasted on as many bs programs. Energy costs are way down, food costs are falling. I'm good lady. hahaha
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calderone
Oct 6, 2025 5:00am
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Quoting Polimini
{quote} mate i told you facts, easily proved by the numbers and the quotes. You're the one based on feelings.
You repeated what you hear from biased reporting and you are living in another country. I tell you what the facts are in this country and you can believe what you wish. Things are getting better here and we are finally not getting screwed on trade. Believe what you want to but just because you say something doesn't make it true. Kick rocks.
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calderone
Oct 6, 2025 8:58am
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Quoting Polimini
{quote} oh yes biases reports, I'm sorry i don't usually go to "jewish space laser" type of media
Showing your true colors. I look at data. I buy fuel, food, track real estate. We are expanding production and getting the crime and illegal alien element out of our country. Legal citizens are replacing the ones leaving. Beautiful thing, your country should try it. Oh wait, you're probably not native to your country either. Enjoy.
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Polimini
Oct 3, 2025 9:08am
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Quoting calderone
{quote} I will let you know what rising costs I see passed to me. Promise. Keeping an eye.
inflation is rising and your taxes are paying for the farmer subsidies because of the tariffs (Bessent's words). If you can't see it you're just daft. Being a Trump supporter i guess it's your default state.
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Polimini
Oct 3, 2025 6:11pm
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Quoting calderone
{quote} I tell you what I see on the ground and you go by what you hear. Inflation is cooling and my tax dollars are not being wasted on as many bs programs. Energy costs are way down, food costs are falling. I'm good lady. hahaha
mate i told you facts, easily proved by the numbers and the quotes. You're the one based on feelings.
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Polimini
Oct 6, 2025 5:24am
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Quoting calderone
{quote} You repeated what you hear from biased reporting and you are living in another country. I tell you what the facts are in this country and you can believe what you wish. Things are getting better here and we are finally not getting screwed on trade. Believe what you want to but just because you say something doesn't make it true. Kick rocks.
oh yes biases reports, I'm sorry i don't usually go to "jewish space laser" type of media
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Schultz
Oct 2, 2025 9:46am
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China began preparations to ensure it has other alternatives to importing soy from the US back in 2018 when China didn't like some Trump trade policies.

The US didn't learn. Or more specifically, Trump.

A report from Reuters dated Jan 2019 (there are others which go into much greater detail) -

https://www.reuters.com/article/busi...idUSKCN1PJ05R/
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Schultz
Oct 2, 2025 3:06pm
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I don't understand how the system works. Surely farmers sell to the pool, eg, Bunge or Cargill. Farmers don't sell to China.

Prices haven't plunged this year.at all. They have been stable at about 10 bucks a bushel all year.

What are we not being told?

This is a monthly chart of Soy futures, back to the year 2000. Prices are way down from recent years, but still well above pre 2020.
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Schultz
Oct 3, 2025 8:05am
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Quoting Polimini
There goes the tariff money. Paid by American tax payers and handed out to farmers. This is peak stupid.
Something I learnt - paying subsidies to US farmers is quite common, pursuant to the Farm Bill 1933 which is reviewed on a 5 yearly basis.

So, this ought be no big surprise. US farmers are always well looked after, for most commodities including corn, soybeans, wheat, cotton, sorghum (a type of grain), rice, peanuts, oats, barley, milk, swine, and calves (specifically, cows).

From US Federal Agricultural Farm Subsidies: How Much Farmers Get By Year | USAFacts

Since farm subsidies began in 1933, they’ve contributed an average of 13.5% of net farm income nationwide. In 2024, subsidies totaled 5.9% of farm income, 7.6 percentage points lower than the 91-year average.

Subsidies made up the largest-ever share of total farm income — 40.5% — in 2000. The years before and after were also among the highest: 37.1% in 1999 and 36.1% in 2001. Food prices fell in the late 1990s, reducing farm earnings. Government subsidies helped offset losses and kept many farms financially stable during this period.
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calderone
Oct 3, 2025 5:16am
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Quoting Polimini
There goes the tariff money. Paid by American tax payers and handed out to farmers. This is peak stupid.
Not how that works.
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calderone
Oct 3, 2025 8:29am
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Quoting Polimini
{quote} that's exactly how it works.
No, you paid for it perhaps.
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calderone
Oct 3, 2025 8:47am
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I will let you know what rising costs I see passed to me. Promise. Keeping an eye.
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calderone
Oct 3, 2025 8:48am
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Quoting Polimini
{quote} lmao
I will let you know what rising costs I see passed to me. Promise. Keeping an eye.
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Polimini
Oct 2, 2025 2:39pm
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There goes the tariff money. Paid by American tax payers and handed out to farmers.
This is peak stupid.
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Polimini
Oct 3, 2025 5:57am
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Quoting calderone
{quote} Not how that works.
that's exactly how it works.
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Trader#B2D4
Oct 2, 2025 12:01pm
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Yeah much of the same with Trump 2.0. Just exacerbated variants of 1.0. Which is, precisely, what the Majority of American people wanted. Remember?

Put a clown like that in there... with open gates to do, practically, whatever he wants. Okay.....

Just don't whine like a little pansy now, you hear?

China are doing this to Australia right now: https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...es-2025-10-01/

Ok, where's the multi-dictator fuckwits again?
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Trader#05F6
Oct 2, 2025 12:49pm
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Quoting Trader#B2D4
....where's the multi-dictator fuckwits...
Yuuuuuuuuuuup!

PS: No,,, I'm not one,,,, or a fruit cake,,,, either.

Interesting timeline that zeee "fuckwits" ,,,, clearly ,,,, were not educated on. Perhaps too busy {attempting} to debate {or shoot} a religious kook that only runs and hides behind his religion on key issues (only bad point - didn't deserve a bullet ,,,,, for that).

Oh yuuuup, China v Australia:

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/...es-2025-07-13/

Sounds like this let's all hold hands and sing kumbafuckingya ,,,, pipe dream ,,,,, is going to be ,,,, tough ,,, to say the least ,,,, to ,,,, actually (operative word here) ,,, achieve.

China can certainly ,,,,, squeeze zeeeeeze Aussies. I don't think they realize ,,,,, how ,,,, hard.

Maybe they are too busy {still} buying up all dat toilet paper?
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Trader#C4B9
Oct 2, 2025 7:33pm
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The elevators are only buying enough soybeans for domestic processing, hence the price. Once the brokers have filled their contracts they aren't buying any more. And farmers have way too many beans so they can't get rid of them and many lack sufficient storage capacity to wait the trade war out.
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Trader#C4B9
Oct 2, 2025 7:39pm
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The real irony is that the Trump Administration offered a $20 billion swap line and other forms of assistance to help stabilize the Argentine peso as a favor to his close friend the President of Argentina. Argentina then lowered export restrictions and sold 20 shiploads of Argentine soybeans to China in just two days. Estimated value of that transaction is almost as much as China spent last year buying American soybeans. Trump got played like a cheap fiddle! FYI Brazil starts soybean harvest season in a few weeks so don't expect a monumental trade deal.
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