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  • #1,061
  • Jul 7, 2022 12:40pm Jul 7, 2022 12:40pm
Quoting BorisViven
Hi Ryan, Hi RickM, I'm new to this thread. I read it since a few weeks, and I'm very interested to learn this way to trade, and see the market. Can you please, give me an advice to start trading with delta and volumes (I mean for example which broker, which platform has reliable delta and vol indis, etc...) ? For the moment I trade with ninjatrader, but I'm not sure the cumulative delta is reliable enough.. Thanks a lot for your answers, and keep up the good work !! BV ps : excuse my english.. :/
Hi BorisViven!

First to have to learn what market orders are and what limit are. And what stops are.
Then you can check what orderflow shows and what is orderbook.

After that you can return here and we will show you how to work with volume data and how to calculate the delta.
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  • #1,062
  • Edited 2:52pm Jul 7, 2022 1:48pm | Edited 2:52pm
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Hi BorisViven! First to have to learn what market orders are and what limit are. And what stops are. Then you can check what orderflow shows and what is orderbook. After that you can return here and we will show you how to work with volume data and how to calculate the delta.

First.

I started follow Ruys thread quite early, because I am spying what Rick is writing here , and has wroten earlier.like i do sometimes moodys.

Ruy was little wild, but i saw there are interesting things how Ruy was trading bold, and I told Rick, it doesn't matter if know what Ruy is doing. There
was some weak moments , when we all doubt our skills. If i remember i try to courage continue and not stop.

I haven't see never so huge progress.

I am very happy for Ruy and amigos. We need new ways do incomes, which reminds things, when I introduce machine learning for industry in small bubble, everyone was against me. Never gave up, Thanks for my mentor (best options trader) i kept going on. we were fighting against industry and academics.

Keep going more Bold Amigos.

Victory thanks your post in moodys thread.

Lets do living and trading whatever is the method, i love delta, and i use my levels. i trade many methods, depends situation.
regular trend traders delta also gives you information, when things has squeezed, and there is no delta information. When things stops and moves happend.
vacuum.

There has been time for mammoths and bones. Old bones can rock and party trance,psychill,psydub eyes open. Do things different way.
Can't live selling same tomatoes same price in market square, without spices.

Somehow i see skilled persons early, like profitfarmer where i started post some things for his thread, when he was early stages.
also, there are also many others. My skills haven't improved so much as they.

Ricks and Moody's writings where interesting one thread where they were talking about cycles, and waves etc... It made me think some people here retailers are not just ordinary. ( I mean time windows are different now , what people trade) Cant compare scalpers between Swingers) It was first time, when i started take seriously some people here forexfunktory)

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  • #1,063
  • Jul 7, 2022 7:23pm Jul 7, 2022 7:23pm
Quoting BorisViven
Hi Ryan, Hi RickM, I'm new to this thread. I read it since a few weeks, and I'm very interested to learn this way to trade, and see the market. Can you please, give me an advice to start trading with delta and volumes (I mean for example which broker, which platform has reliable delta and vol indis, etc...) ? For the moment I trade with ninjatrader, but I'm not sure the cumulative delta is reliable enough.. Thanks a lot for your answers, and keep up the good work !! BV ps : excuse my english.. :/
Hi Boris

Cumulative delta is a great secondary tool to assist in price reversals but it’s too slow for us to use. We want to use delta for urgent entry, to get us in regardless of possible swing points. I suppose we are only interest in the last 15 seconds to see whether urgent market orders are buying or selling and jump immediately in the same direction.
It’s not about tops or bottoms, it’s about order book imbalance and riding the move for short periods which large order size.

You can trade any market you like with delta provided you have real volume data. Here we like Crypto and a good starting point would be trading Bybit Futures.
The data is good and I use the API keys to trade the data on Quantower. The alternative is to use Tradingview to access delta but trade directly onto the crypto platform (cheap but TV isn’t …….).

I don’t know what data feeds ninjatrader uses but I guess Binance is one of them, see how the delta looks on your platform and let us know.
The reason I use Quantower is because it accepts data feeds from about 6 different crypto platforms, as will as data feeds from forex and futures brokers.
So my default market I trade heavily is EURUSD (EU6U22) using delta and I switch to Crypto if I see some good data signals coming through on my watch list.

Bottom line, is the delta showing the chosen market
we choose to trade being heavily absorbed.
i.e. Are the limit orders stronger than the market orders?

Yes …. No trading
No ….. Yes, trade it.
Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
  • #1,064
  • Edited 4:41pm Jul 8, 2022 4:04pm | Edited 4:41pm
A lot of people asking me if I can share my great Delta Indicator (also The Indicator, Cumulative Delta Indicator and Distance Indicator) with them for fee.
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Guys and girls. I'd love to. But to make this I need to buy tradingview premium plan, and it is $599.40 US
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Believe me I love you all and wish you stay green and earn. But I can't spend my money to let your dreams comes true.

Also people ask me if I can share my dashboard for free. I made it available for free on my website, but bossed of FF forbid me to post any links to it.

So the only way to use it for free is to join my discord trading room (and I also can't post the invite link here just pm me)

So please ASK you friend for invite and you will gain access to free crypto dashboard.

Also I want to make small challenge. If I will earn > 599400$ this month then I'll share my indis with my discord mates for free for 1 year.

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  • #1,065
  • Jul 10, 2022 12:36pm Jul 10, 2022 12:36pm
Thank you Ryan for your answer !
I know a little about trading, since 18 years practicing, but I admit I don’t have enough knowledge. I will follow your advice : I will study deeply these aspects of trading in the next few days, and, after that, I will return here.
Thanks again and see you soon
Boris
  • #1,066
  • Jul 10, 2022 12:39pm Jul 10, 2022 12:39pm
Thanks!
I hope your will make more than $ 600,000 this month

Quoting ryuryu
A lot of people asking me if I can share my great Delta Indicator (also The Indicator, Cumulative Delta Indicator and Distance Indicator) with them for fee. {image} Guys and girls. I'd love to. But to make this I need to buy tradingview premium plan, and it is $599.40 US{image} Believe me I love you all and wish you stay green and earn. But I can't spend my money to let your dreams comes true. Also people ask me if I can share my dashboard for free. I made it available for free on my website, but bossed of FF forbid me to post any links to it. So...
  • #1,067
  • Jul 10, 2022 12:43pm Jul 10, 2022 12:43pm
Thanks a lot RickM for you advices, very appreciate
As soon as I’m ready I will take a try at Bybit.
infortunately, there is no delta indi on Ninjatrader..
Thank you again

Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi Boris Cumulative delta is a great secondary tool to assist in price reversals but it’s too slow for us to use. We want to use delta for urgent entry, to get us in regardless of possible swing points. I suppose we are only interest in the last 15 seconds to see whether urgent market orders are buying or selling and jump immediately in the same direction. It’s not about tops or bottoms, it’s about order book imbalance and riding the move for short periods which large order size. You can trade any market you like with delta provided you...
  • #1,068
  • Jul 10, 2022 4:32pm Jul 10, 2022 4:32pm
Beware of Crypto scams.

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  • #1,069
  • Jul 11, 2022 3:03am Jul 11, 2022 3:03am
Quoting moodybot
Beware of Crypto scams. https://youtu.be/ehDvr5vVGPg
Yeah you are absolutely right.

The first rule of trading volume delta is that volume must be big.
On the coins for "pump and dump" there are no volume at all. The only winner here is the "pump and dump" moderators and admins. They are using gamblers with a dream of fast profits as free fuel.

So never trader with low volume.
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  • #1,070
  • Jul 11, 2022 9:09am Jul 11, 2022 9:09am
Quoting ryuryu
A lot of people asking me if I can share my great Delta Indicator (also The Indicator, Cumulative Delta Indicator and Distance Indicator) with them for fee. {image} Guys and girls. I'd love to. But to make this I need to buy tradingview premium plan, and it is $599.40 US{image} Believe me I love you all and wish you stay green and earn. But I can't spend my money to let your dreams comes true. Also people ask me if I can share my dashboard for free. I made it available for free on my website, but bossed of FF forbid me to post any links to it. So...
  • #1,071
  • Jul 13, 2022 11:33am Jul 13, 2022 11:33am
Things getting better and better!
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  • #1,072
  • Jul 16, 2022 3:04am Jul 16, 2022 3:04am
Why I love math and don't believe in magic? And how to analyze the things?

Look, I don't want you all to be like me or to act like me. I just want to say how I do this.
Analysis is very important part of trading.

For example one guy claim he is very profitable trader. He has one entry one exit, fixed tp/sl (150 points) with fixed ratio (1:2). Entries are previous high/low. Also he thing that lines on the chart are support and resistance.

In this case I start to analyze if that can be true. Let's see:
1. Only one entry and only one exit - not possible. Why not to add/reduce?
2. Fixed TP/SL - not possible. It depends on market conditions. Marker don't care what numbers you like. 150 pips or 200 are same nonsense.
4. Fixed ratio - same way not possible, it has negative expectation on long run
... same... same... same...

So what I see here? That somehow, magically, using totally noob approach guy has a lot of profitable trades? How it can be? It can't. Only in his imagination.

Next guy posted >100% profits on forex trading BTC.

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What I see here?
Min size 0.01 when on crypto it is 0.001 - 10x times difference
Swap long and short always negative and it is -0.05% when on crypto it is positive for shorts in most time and it is +0.01%
Spread 0.3%, when on crypto spread is 0.
Ah, commission is 0, on crypto it is 0.02%. So 0.02% vs 0.3% spread. It is not even funny.
And the best part: 20x leverage max. On crypto it is 100x. So It is 5 times MORE risky on forex.

Now please tell me if it is possible if profitable trader, who earn 100% don't know HOW TO USE CALCULATOR??? Posting that is to sign total incompetence.
But who cares yes?

Anyway, if you want to be successful in trading criticize everything. And you will see that 99.99% is purest bullshit.
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  • #1,073
  • Jul 22, 2022 4:28pm Jul 22, 2022 4:28pm
Do the opposite approach.

1. There are drawing tools - do not use em.
2. There are free indicators - use few.
3. No one care about MM - care about it!
4. There are no volume data on forex - try to get it or use another market.
5. People say that you have to learn how to feel the marker - use math and common sense!

One more secret I can reveal. Everyone search for the "best" entry. What if entry doesn't matter? Think about it...
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  • #1,074
  • Jul 22, 2022 5:36pm Jul 22, 2022 5:36pm
Finally that idiot banned me:

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That is perfect!

This is the reason why he did it:
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...5#post14073555


I insist: thread named Flying Dutchman is a scam thread. They "teach" you with non-existence bullshit. Do not believe them. You can lose all your money if you will follow them. There are no math, there are only "feelings". They cheat you with historical charts.

p.s. better follow Ausie, or how it called. His 450 lots on gold is very funny, and at least you know that it is fake. But these guys from Flying Shit are dangerous...
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  • #1,075
  • Jul 22, 2022 9:44pm Jul 22, 2022 9:44pm
Quoting ryuryu
Finally that idiot banned me: {image} That is perfect! This is the reason why he did it: https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...5#post14073555 I insist: thread named Flying Dutchman is a scam thread. They "teach" you with non-existence bullshit. Do not believe them. You can lose all your money if you will follow them. There are no math, there are only "feelings". They cheat you with historical charts. p.s. better follow Ausie, or how it called. His 450 lots on gold is...
Hi Ryan

It was interesting how we played the Dutchman guys for fools, they could not resist our baits and not once did they understand what our objectives were.

I thought these guys were smart, unfortunty they couldn't grasp anything other than Demo trading and posting hindsight charts just after they got lucky.

But there is still hope, I see cracks in BWilliams mindset with comments stating your ideas here are pretty good.
As for the two other clowns, they couldn't trade themselves out of a paperbag unless they were following calls from a telegraph signal.

ANYWAY - wasn't last night a cracker, the volume data was strong and the Crypto markets are moving.

What should we be trading? - here is a tip

The guys pushing the Buy button that are riding the herd as it moves uphill are going to be profitable.
Later tonight, it may be time to ride it back down the hill with Sells. The issue with riding the herd on Crypto markets is they tend to get scared easy and jump off, so always carry a tight stop when long, go hard when its time to go short with aggressive.

I have been buying OPUSDT (+18% and still moving up)- I'm not that dumb.
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  • #1,076
  • Edited Jul 23, 2022 12:33am Jul 22, 2022 11:35pm | Edited Jul 23, 2022 12:33am
Hi everyone,

Since I'm mentioned on this thread I make a response here.

I don't take sides. I just express my opinion with whatever knowledge I have. Ofc I can be wrong. And I meant no offence to anyone. It's has been the case always. Nothing personal.

I understand what ryuryu do, his method/strategy. Rick has written many times the explanation behind the strategy.

This may come as a shock to some, but that's similar to how I do it years ago too.

I wrote to Rick many times in the past, check my post history, why don't he extend this same strategy knowledge beyond this small M1 tf. Why scalp when if this same strategy is expanded will give the same type of trades but swing trades instead of scalps? Hence overcoming the cost issues that make this 1m tf scalps untradable on forex brokers.

That's all I intend to suggest to Rick and PF one year ago. It's my fault I may have failed in communicating this one single message, nothing else. I hope this clarification is clear enough and put a fool stop to this matter.

One last thing, if you notice my posts and live market level calls on moodybot's Flying Dutchman thread was a demonstration how I have evolved from a here and now trader, to something different which is about the future.

Why I did all that market level live calls is to tell whoever is listening that I transitioned from scalps, to swing to what I do - 8yrs of dedicated research. BTW, I showed those levels on higher tf, I can do it on any tf, the principle is the same.

Why I bring this up is, this transition from scalp, to swing, to whatever I showed on that thread and everywhere else since the 2 yrs I joined FF. This was the reason why I took the trouble to communicate with Rick and PF about this matter more than a year ago. There is a further extension outside of scalp, that's the message.

I saw commonality in what Rick do that made me reach out to him. Looking back I should have minded my own business. And that's what I will do now. I was on my way out yesterday, but I have to make this post to clear up some stuff.

Having wrote all this, I have to mention that open and close lines, plus George targets IF done correctly(I have put in the effort to describe in detail on moodybot's thread) is enough to trade profitably. And tbh I there's no need for volume data. Or at least that's the case for me where I deal with the future that has zero trade executed yet.

Best wishes to everyone, may you be successful in whatever you pursue.

Jason
Know what you trade
  • #1,077
  • Edited 6:29am Jul 23, 2022 5:55am | Edited 6:29am
Saturday Night 23rd July 6.30pm

Trading session into the 5th hour on a slow night in Crypto Markets.

I sit there tapping my toes on the skirting board under the computer table, I hear the Kids fighting in the rear playroom and the rains cleared from a sudden down pour outside in my trading den based in Eight Miles Plains. I have notes spread out on the table, data numbers recording the last four hours of volume readings from the market I am trading tonight - OPUSDT
Sure
I have already clocked up 3% in returns on the run up - down its the run down, a bearish move but its not aggressive.

Smash

One of the kids has knocked over a vase, didn't like it anyway.

"Dad, Paul's broken Mums favourite vase, it wasn't me"

Sure Rose (bet it was you), I'll clean it up later, you know Daddys trading

Trading from a home office is not easy, lots of interruptions, phones & kids never help. But I am in a good mood, nice profits in the bank already and some more easy points coming soon. I see the bars turning very bearish again and I'm riding it down further

Discord Channel from the Cave Rings - have a chat with Zoltan about a few dramas, a bit of a laugh at myself mostly but its a good way to remove myself from the data for a while.


Then it happens 6.51pm
683.778 Volume - Delta neg. 279,983

Large data, I'm trying to exit
Close trade 1
Close trade 2
Close trade 3

OUT - another 1.5% profits booked

Watching at previous data 57,782, 236,405 with delta readings neg 30,579 followed by neg 23892

Was I quick enough?, did I miss the chance to load up?

Quickly I am over to the pad, caluculator is out to run the numbers - IS IN PRICE SESSION LOW?. I run over the volume numbers from the bullish delta on the way up, I get neg -534,987.

Only neg 534,987 till exhaustion perhaps - I see how the Delta change looks.
No, its still going lower so I am still going to sell.

HOWEVER ITS A LONG SCALP now because I see gaps which need filling so I'm long on trade 56 today.

The rain beats down on the office roof, kids in bed and the smashed vase still sits broken on the floor, I'll get to it later.

This is my trading life, running volume & delta numbers onto pads scatted around the desk - working out how many Buyers or Sellers still want to trade.
I have to presume the books will balance on every move
OR
I need to find missing data and replace it with current data.

Saturday Night 23rd July 8.48.

HOLD THE HORSES - its F....Kin moving Hard SELL SELL SELL
More $$$ in the bank.


Ryans Discord Channel is now ringing, he's in the money again. It is also a contest every day to see who will get the highest return. Some days I beat the smart prick - normally not. Lets say he knows his way around a delta number - so lets see what he's got SHIT - a lot more again so far.
But there is still 4 hours left to wipe the smile of his face.

And the story will continue for a while longer

Here is the chart - not the complete picture but it contains all the info anyone needs.

1. Volume Data
2. Delta Data
3. Delta Change
4. Cumulative Delta Indicator (can just be a Delta Histogram indy but I don't mind drawing lines)



Time for a coffee, price data tells me there is more bearish moves to come and time to clean up the broken vase.

Signing off ..........RICKM
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  • #1,078
  • Edited 6:19am Jul 23, 2022 6:02am | Edited 6:19am
Quoting BWilliam
Hi everyone, Since I'm mentioned on this thread I make a response here. I don't take sides. I just express my opinion with whatever knowledge I have. Ofc I can be wrong. And I meant no offence to anyone. It's has been the case always. Nothing personal. I understand what ryuryu do, his method/strategy. Rick has written many times the explanation behind the strategy. This may come as a shock to some, but that's similar to how I do it years ago too. I wrote to Rick many times in the past, check my post history, why don't he extend this same strategy knowledge beyond this small M1 tf. Why scalp when if this same strategy is expanded will give the same type of trades but swing trades instead of scalps? Hence overcoming the cost issues that make this 1m tf scalps untradable on forex brokers. That's all I intend to suggest to Rick and PF one year ago. It's my fault I may have failed in communicating this one single message, nothing else. I hope this clarification is clear enough and put a fool stop to this matter. One last thing, if you notice my posts and live market level calls on moodybot's Flying Dutchman thread was a demonstration how I have evolved from a here and now trader, to something different which is about the future. Why I did all that market level live calls is to tell whoever is listening that I transitioned from scalps, to swing to what I do - 8yrs of dedicated research. BTW, I showed those levels on higher tf, I can do it on any tf, the principle is the same. Why I bring this up is, this transition from scalp, to swing, to whatever I showed on that thread and everywhere else since the 2 yrs I joined FF. This was the reason why I took the trouble to communicate with Rick and PF about this matter more than a year ago. There is a further extension outside of scalp, that's the message. I saw commonality in what Rick do that made me reach out to him. Looking back I should have minded my own business. And that's what I will do now. I was on my way out yesterday, but I have to make this post to clear up some stuff. Having wrote all this, I have to mention that open and close lines, plus George targets IF done correctly(I have put in the effort to describe in detail on moodybot's thread) is enough to trade profitably. And tbh I there's no need for volume data. Or at least that's the case for me where I deal with the future that has zero trade executed yet. Best wishes to everyone, may you be successful in whatever you pursue. Jason
I like facts. I don't like gossips, prediction, dreams and so on.
And I don't like lie.

Let's see.

I said:

1. There are no volume data on forex - True.
2. It is impossible to trade with no volume on crypto - True.
3. Prop firms business is to get money from newbies - True.
4. Previous high and low are NOT support and NOT resistance - True.
5. Impossible to outperform algos using drawing tools - True.
6. There are no such a thing like "feeling the market" - True.
7. Trading crypto on forex is idiotic - True.
8. Trading crypto more profitable and less risky than forex - True.


Now let's see what your clowns from Flying Scam say. All opposite. They draw lines on the historical charts and set marks using the data that was not available at the moment of the mark. I call it scam.

Neither you nor your friends trade with real money. Why? Because you don't know the basics. So telling people to learn from you is scam. You can't teach if you have no knowledge.

Personally I don't care how do you deceive readers and why do you do it. For me more idiots and gamblers around = more profits and much more easy to trade against you.

So I see nothing to discuss here. When you will learn some about trading then you can come here and we can discuss the things. Until then please do not waste my time.

P.S. For all:
Please remember that trading is the hardest job in the world. It is not easy, it is not simple.
Do not flatter yourself - your role here is always to be a whipping boy, they will always fixate on you, they will always drive you on highs, take you out on your feet, cover you in an empty orderbook, drive you in the sidebar to exhaustion and return you to the original ones. Your dividends will be devoured by inflation, your share will be diluted with additional rules, your interests will always be on the last page in small print in a foreign language. They will never understand you, they won’t forgive you, they won’t enter into a position, you won’t get the truth, you won’t prove your case, and even if you leave, the exchange will not lose anything.

Do not believe people who say that trading is easy. It is not.
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  • #1,079
  • Edited 4:43pm Jul 24, 2022 3:54pm | Edited 4:43pm
People ask me what kind of music I listen to when I trade.

Like this:

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and this:

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Of course this:

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And this:

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So for those who wants to dig into my brains it looks like this:

1. Drop it!
2. Are you ready your F mind?
3. Do you wanna really taste It? (And throw your dog and invisible bone)
4. Pretender (What if I say I will never surrender?)

Welcome to the show
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  • #1,080
  • Jul 30, 2022 12:46am Jul 30, 2022 12:46am
Previous high/low trading logic.

Few days ago Three Amigos was discussing interesting thing. And occasionally we found that we all are using previous high/low in our trading, but may be just in little different way. But the main idea is the same.

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So first take you favorite instrument to measure the volume and the distance. Then choose a coin(s) to trade. I prefer maxim 3 at once.

And now wait for sequence to be complete:

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Cross found -> MA order good -> MA distance good - > ema6 low bounce back under ema30 -> new high found (in range of cross and bounce touch) -> volume delta is negative higher the ema6 high.

But remember: that will work only with good volume of course. Volume is the key always.
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