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  • #921
  • Jun 2, 2022 9:46am Jun 2, 2022 9:46am
Ryan as you know i love to catch falling knifes, and spot price levels, and they are educated guess.

That kind of trading don't give me a same kind of profits as using delta and volume, information.
(repeating this same s...) but its amazing why people dont test by them self, the one vendor is so cheap, less than pint in some nice pub.

I came a cross this kind of data vendor,check the attachment. It just ""proof"" people don't let retails see full picture.

I hope you don't let people go under your skin. Have a nice summer, and Rick you too (amigos). Or there is winter ski season in AU.


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  • #922
  • Edited 1:59pm Jun 2, 2022 1:43pm | Edited 1:59pm
+8.08% today

12 trades, all on gmtusdt.
Today the volume was not very good, about 200k$/min

Few tasty examples:

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  • #923
  • Edited 9:33pm Jun 2, 2022 7:55pm | Edited 9:33pm
Quoting kk100
Ryan as you know i love to catch falling knifes, and spot price levels, and they are educated guess. That kind of trading don't give me a same kind of profits as using delta and volume, information. (repeating this same s...) but its amazing why people dont test by them self, the one vendor is so cheap, less than pint in some nice pub. I came a cross this kind of data vendor,check the attachment. It just ""proof"" people don't let retails see full picture. I hope you don't let people go under your skin. Have a nice summer, and Rick you too (amigos)....
Hi KK100

No, we never even get a frost here in Brisbane so to get to ski, I will be traveling to Canada in their next snow season to enjoy the slopes - somewhere in Quebec.

The three Amigo's are really trading in unison now, same markets, same entry's more or less and similar results. Interesting using volume data, we don't need to spend much time watching candlestick charts, just a flashing signal on my watchlist does me, then a glance at the delta readings and I'm all in.

No small trade size entry's allowed

No pussy footing around because we have 58 seconds before the herd of traders start doubting their original position and commerce closing their trades.
Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
  • #924
  • Jun 2, 2022 8:27pm Jun 2, 2022 8:27pm
Quoting RickM
{quote} Drawing tools precondition you to fail because a coloured line is no more than a “good guess”. We need to be better than that, we need to be smarter. To achieve astonishing trading success, we need to know price will always move in the direction of least resistance. Only data can offer this information to us with any clarity. Real data shows us the real imbalance of buyers and sellers and tells us when to enter the markets with shocking accuracy. I think Ryan would agree.


RickM,

Since it's obvious you haven't been trading with real money in real markets for very long, I will educate you, seeing as your "mates" and followers should know something about lines.

Yes drawing truly random lines on anything is useless. They need background and foreground. But people like you use data as a security blanket not as a tool. In all the time I have been here, I have not seen anywhere near enough evidence that proves you know how to read a price graph. This is factually evident because you're too busy focusing on data in the here and now and do not focus on what's next. A real life sign that you are extremely dependent on your resources. Frankly I don't know people here, but I can tell you I've seen enough in my career to know when people have painted themselves into a corner. Cryptos could go away tomorrow so there's one area gone re: data trading. Then there's changes coming re: Futures. Oh dear, "we" the people have no say in these decisions so guess what, one more issue with continuity of one's trading activities. Starting to see a pattern yet? Frankly I don't care what someone does to themselves but you people want to talk about bullshit. WOW!! How screwed up/fucked up (make your choice) emotionally or mentally does someone have to be to live in a bubble and call it reality?

Next point, I do not randomly draw lines. IF I do place one on my chart, it is based on the understanding that you people do not possess = PARTS of a money environment HAVE TO repeat, otherwise the whole thing collapses. I spent years gaining the knowledge that your "big boys" have to do business as it's "in their contract". So their business activities ALSO repeat. Idiots who chase data points and then call it something else are living in a fantasy....... UNLESS you have mapped the cycles of that behavior. So your pretty cum. delta is nothing more than changing one indicator into another. There is no insight there. Only a real life person can say that because I've been there and done that. Outside forces is what you cannot account for in your data sets. Why? Data providers do not provide that data. Oh me oh my, the data providers are scamming us !!! No, it's their job to keep you thinking that data points are the way to go. Otherwise they're out of business. If you think that you're getting s free service, then you do not understand the business of money. If you find that hard to accept, go talk to some options traders, or someone who trades the transitional movements instead of point and shoot actions you find in FX CFD's or crypto's. So "smart people" evade one "scam" to BE scammed by another. Not looking so smart anymore guys and girls.

Derelict thinking and ideas of these markets has created categorical armies of people who squabble and fight between each other to be "right" or more right than others. NEWS Flash ........ You're all wrong. A person accessing these markets is about surviving and dong better tomorrow. I don't see that here, I see children. I see pampered people with soft underbellies who are too conceited to see you've been cornered. You rebel against one push to "learn this way" only to end up exactly where you are meant to be. That's not intelligent and smart that's "modern" thinking at its best.

All they would need to do is build a case that concludes that cryptos are illegal/unethical/unstable/illegitimate etc and Poooof! All gone. Same with exotics, minor FX's and most derivative exploits. You say who cares now, but the tides are showing that these things are not fantasy. They're very feasible.

So Ryu and RickM etc, all your posturing is childish and uninformed. It only shows you're struggling and have issues.

So read this or not who cares right? Dismiss it or not, who cares right?

You're the king of the castle right? MOST people I have encountered on these sites who say "I've been trading for ......" have volumes to learn ........ You like that punn ?! hehehehe

If you think a 2% Skim Milk education is enough then go for it. Just don't take other people with you.

And to other people - stop chasing the carrot.


Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #925
  • Edited 9:42pm Jun 2, 2022 9:03pm | Edited 9:42pm
I didn't get what you want from us? Stop using data and start drawing lines? Or what?

The goal of that thread was to find like-minded people. Job done. People found. The team is complete. In fact there is no need to post more here.
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  • #926
  • Jun 2, 2022 10:41pm Jun 2, 2022 10:41pm
Quoting ryuryu
I didn't get what you want from us? Stop using data and start drawing lines? Or what?


There's probably thousands of ways to explain it.

But here's one way .....

data are lines and vice versa.

You cannot turn an apple into a tomato. You cannot change the nature of the markets by only looking at what you want.

When you understand what that means to you then you can evolve to the next level. Data trading is merely a piece. If longevity is your goal, then in the future, you will have no choice but to go beyond it.

I don't care what other people on here say, they have lackings that are unchecked and have no experience dealing with all these things.

In the end, you are self employed and are accountable to every stage of your trading. Others on here will be "comfortable" until Life knocks them over.

Data and lines work together. End of story.

-You know markets have to be a combination of 'potentially unexplainable' and 'explainable' for them to look and move the way they do.

-And you know that money is the realm's 'seen' focus.

-And you would know by now that it all needs both sides to keep inputting and outputting to keep a market moving.

-And you should by now know that money production and circulation are part of the main foundation of any money market and its derivations/offspring.

-And you know that Time plays a large role in "getting anything done".

-And hopefully by now you've learned that human society, just like the money markets, possess layers to all the operations that keep society flowing.

Now take all these points and put them together.

Data points can show a potential here and now and what MAY happen, surely you've seen through your own experiences that sometimes when you think you are wrong, an extra step occurs and it moves as you anticipated. And so data is just planted facts and cannot live on their own.

This is why most people's definition of "fundamental analysis" is so far from reality.

If you cannot accept what I am saying here then fair enough.

But in my experience, someone saying they've been doing something for any specified length of time is not a measure of what they've learned, merely a count towards survival. That goes for me too. Been trading since the early 80's but that on its own is not enough to guarantee anything. Data point trading has been around since the second world war and even before. But it's never relied upon in isolation.

Individually and collectively, people have an attitude problem. More facts won't get rid of it.

Map your trades per instrument for last 12 months in reasonable chart and written detail. Overlay mainstream and contrarian "ways of trading".on top and see the patterns of cycled repetition. Now do it again and focus only on dead trades (orders that generated a loss) and mark the dead spots. Those dead spots are potential correlation points for larger volume ... keeping in mind of course that you were correct on the direction initially.

The point of this exercise is to teach you to STOP doing what others do because they seek the holy grail or the perfect outcome. It is to drum into your brain that a circle MUST have all lines of sight covered before it can become a true circle. This exercise is not to show more clever ways to do anything but to teach you to do more than just "try and make money" like so many sods out there who don't get the point of it all..

If you say you've done this before DO IT AGAIN. Then again and again and still again. Why? You need to adjust your attitude and that is the only way you will trust your process by it BEING YOUR PROCESS...... by adjusting your attitude that always precedes your view on any situation to either learn something or ...dismiss it = To prejudge it as a waste of time because it does not offer a direct A to B movement of doing or thinking.

I admit I also write this for anyone else reading this who wants to learn. But for you Ryu, Life will be a more cruel teacher than I have ever been to you.

I can do the same as you with what I do because I trust myself and chose to exercise my right to see learning as my friend and not something that is bestowed onto me by someone else. By my will not theirs.

So learn all you can from Data point trading then move on. If you are truthful with your exercises as I described earlier, then insecurity becomes confidence because you are less restricted by facts and can replicate ALL of your past 12 months' trades on a clean chart with nothing but a line.

Learn the layers and be free.


Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #927
  • Jun 2, 2022 11:00pm Jun 2, 2022 11:00pm
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} There's probably thousands of ways to explain it. But here's one way ..... data are lines and vice versa. You cannot turn a girlfriend into a wife. You cannot change the nature of the markets by only looking at what you want. When you understand what that means to you then you can evolve to the next level. Data trading is merely a piece. If longevity is your goal, then in the future, you will have no choice but to go beyond it. I don't care what other people on here say, they have lackings that are unchecked and have no experience...
just wondering
  • #928
  • Jun 2, 2022 11:20pm Jun 2, 2022 11:20pm
Ryan

Whats that old fart Peter on about now, does he even know himself?

I think he doesn’t understand how to trade without lines or am I wrong?

That’s 40 years of drawing lines and he still needs to connect them to data, which he states he doesn’t use.

?

Tonight’s going to be good for manic scalpers looking for shorts, OPUSDT is already up 26% for the day.
I can smell a few wins coming out way.
Trading thin liquidity at the boundary of the charts
  • #929
  • Jun 2, 2022 11:33pm Jun 2, 2022 11:33pm
Quoting RickM
Ryan Whats that old fart Peter on about now, does he even know himself? I think he doesn’t understand how to trade without lines or am I wrong? That’s 40 years of drawing lines and he still needs to connect them to data, which he states he doesn’t use. ? Tonight’s going to be good for manic scalpers looking for shorts, OPUSDT is already up 26% for the day. I can smell a few wins coming out way.
Nasdaq NDXUSD is showing positive signs today also
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  • #930
  • Jun 3, 2022 12:35am Jun 3, 2022 12:35am
Quoting RickM
{quote} Hi KK100 No, we never even get a frost here in Brisbane so to get to ski, I will be traveling to Canada in their next snow season to enjoy the slopes - somewhere in Quebec. The three Amigo's are really trading in unison now, same markets, same entry's more or less and similar results. Interesting using volume data, we don't need to spend much time watching candlestick charts, just a flashing signal on my watchlist does me, then a glance at the delta readings and I'm all in. No small trade size entry's allowed No pussy footing around because...

Rick You are making me sick.


My face has turn green, jealous of amigos trading,and how you do it with crypto.
Would like to learn it. But time is limited.

Spent time about writing about this crazy war, and need to catch earning curve, trading like a maniac. would like to do it more efficient way, and including cryptos and your(amigos) style of trading those.

Do you skate, because it will help you learn snowboarding, what i enjoy most.
Never tried surfing , so don't know will that help.

Cheers.
green pips not faces.
  • #931
  • Jun 3, 2022 12:36am Jun 3, 2022 12:36am
Quoting RickM
Ryan Whats that old fart Peter on about now, does he even know himself? I think he doesn’t understand how to trade without lines or am I wrong? That’s 40 years of drawing lines and he still needs to connect them to data, which he states he doesn’t use. ? Tonight’s going to be good for manic scalpers looking for shorts, OPUSDT is already up 26% for the day. I can smell a few wins coming out way.


I wouldn't trust you with my money RickM and that instinct has served me very very well over the years when knowing who to listen to and who is trustworthy in the real world. Thank you.

It's a network of layers you silly boy. But you keep stroking that device. Your clique is your only refuge. But any time you want to learn how to hunt wild boar gimme a shout, boy.

I'm old but I still have my faculties.

People who peaked in high school should never be seen as role models. Nor should toffee apples.


Ciao.


Peter
Real Trading is not gambling.
  • #932
  • Jun 3, 2022 2:21am Jun 3, 2022 2:21am
Some people like/try to make fire using stones and banging them to they forehead, hoping initate sparks, from genious mind.

There are lighteners and and matches invented long time ago.

Can trade successfully only using T&S information and DOM. not what are offered for retails and basic MT platforms.

When i need to timber i rather use chainsaw, its pretty much faster than a butter knife.

I maybe have earlier told this when calling someone a boy, you could get bullet in you head, some part of U.S.A
or other parts of world too. Even I know that , non native English speaker.
That kind of attitude i don't recommend stay longer period in some countries in far east or europe,
its similar insult like insulting your mother.

As I have seen Ricks trading, i don't have no doubt about his skills. This forum maybe still have some people who are trading profitfarmers channel, will agree it. I think you Peter never went there.
  • #933
  • Jun 3, 2022 3:20am Jun 3, 2022 3:20am
Quoting PeterCaleb
But any time you want to learn how to hunt wild boar gimme a shout, boy
Haha, they need to "learn" how to draw lines! One guy said he was learning that for 13 years. 10 more and he will move to a new level - drawing not just lines, but squares!

To detect liar, scammer, fake retired demo trader you can use that simple filter:

1. That trader draw lines on historical charts
2. That trader use at least 1-2 word "LEARN/STUDY" in every post
3. That trader know nothing about leverage/margin, order types
Observer effect
  • #934
  • Jun 3, 2022 3:23am Jun 3, 2022 3:23am
New day started and I'll tell you how we prepare our trading.

First of all, I run my script to get a list of all 50x leverage coins from the exchange. We need it to understand what to trade, and if there is any new asset:

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Ok, done, now we are ready to check the volume. Because we need at least 200000$ per minute to trade. Of course it depends on how deep are your pockets, but believe me 200k/min and more is good, less is not.

Let's check, for example, our favorite OP:

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179k$/min, but it is early yet. So it has all the chances to be today's winner.


P.S. Just thinking... How that fancy line drawers select what to trade? 27 assets, how to choose correct pair drawing LINES hahaa
ah I forgot, they are demo dreamers, they can trade ANY with 200 lot size-at-once
Observer effect
  • #935
  • Jun 3, 2022 3:38am Jun 3, 2022 3:38am
UPD:

OP is warming UP, >200k$/min already
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  • #936
  • Jun 3, 2022 3:45am Jun 3, 2022 3:45am
And the first winner today: +0.74% OPUSDT long

Personally I don't like longs and prefer trading shorts but it was good. After a block of negative delta lower the ema6 low it changed to positive. I jumped in with no regrets. Take profit - middle line between ema6 high and low.
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  • #937
  • Jun 3, 2022 4:11am Jun 3, 2022 4:11am
UPD:

another small win +0.89%

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Exactly same situation, but short. After block of positive deltas it flip to negative.

Ok, I'm tired to show you my secret trading style, you better go open 200 lot size demo trades and draw few lines with Peter and the gang haha
Observer effect
  • #938
  • Jun 3, 2022 2:51pm Jun 3, 2022 2:51pm
Quoting RickM
{quote} Exactly - Imbalance is where the market is headed NOW But Volume has limits Delta has limits If you don't know what their limits are, your'e missing out. The clues are on this chart, also on any chart - but you have to analyze it first. {image}
@RickM
Looking at the chart you posted but can't figure out these limits.
Any hint?
Theee are so many numbers on your chart that's difficult to understand where to look.
  • #939
  • Edited 4:51pm Jun 3, 2022 4:30pm | Edited 4:51pm
Friday night long-read

Imagine that you have to run through the forest. At night. Fog. One trader runs blindfolded, the other uses night vision. What is the chance of the first one smashing his head against a tree?

Same here. All that fancy line drawers use nothing (feelings, pray, predictions). We use night vision - math.

Now imagine that you are not alone - there are 1 good trader running and 10000000 with "blind like a cat" stuff.

What is the probability that they will kill each other. And not even a single tree will be harmed?

Same on market. I have tested ALL the strategies using OHCL data. They all fail. There are no positive expectation. Why? Because you all are using it. For ages. Whose fancy line drawers are in most cases 60+ aged retired demo dreamers. Or very young scammers.

People believe in magic. Because then you have nothing to do. No need to investigate, no need to learn. But in real life and real trading you have to wok. No free lunch.

People ask me for free bot that will use that delta approach. Guys and girls: before you will start you own bot you must really understand what the heck is goin on on the market. That is must have. At least read all the RickM's posts. At least.

What are you doing here and why you help us? - Yes, that is the question I asked myself twice a day.
Really strange. Really disgusting. I hate myself for that. Because I WANT YOU to draw lines. I want you to be stupid. I want you to give some % of your money to me. And I understand that.

May be I want to change the world? May be I want to be best guru on FF? Who knows. I'm for sure not that "free" guy for you.

"We are very suspicious to your trading style". - That if F great! You MUST be suspicious. Because there are million of cheaters around. If you act that way - you my boy/girl. Do not believe me. Try to make your own opinion on everything!
Observer effect
  • #940
  • Jun 3, 2022 7:43pm Jun 3, 2022 7:43pm
With everything I have said and shown, what makes you think I fit into the category of demo dreamer?

Any one can hook up extra data, that's the point.

The problem I see for people such as yourself, is you have never spent any time with people who have done more than sit in front of their computer and push buttons and call it trading.

The people you look up to couldn't sort out their own shit, they had to go running to someone else to get help. This thread is no different to most other conversations. It's half informed people trying to inform others.

I am not responsible for the presence of dim-witted scammers or try-hards in the world. Nor on here. But I do think it's funny when people misrepresent things. You keep doing what you do and you'll find out eventually.

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