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  • #781
  • May 12, 2020 11:48am May 12, 2020 11:48am
Quoting auricforecas
Guys, you here.. I'm kinda late today but am thinking there is still time to ATTACK WTI right now? What do you see? Thinking about 100:1.. What do you say? Need CROSS-CHECK "confirmation". Please advise.
The thing about CHEETAH is that you have to be READY to ATTACK the opportunity... I went into WTI BUY "by myself" - in trade now..
Hope we can contribute to each others trades in the future...

How many are here willing to participate in this GROUP EFFORT of CHEETAH TRADING ?
Please let me know so that I can quote you and that you can get the message sooner... Because TIMING...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #782
  • May 12, 2020 3:21pm May 12, 2020 3:21pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} The thing about CHEETAH is that you have to be READY to ATTACK the opportunity... I went into WTI BUY "by myself" - in trade now.. Hope we can contribute to each others trades in the future... How many are here willing to participate in this GROUP EFFORT of CHEETAH TRADING ? Please let me know so that I can quote you and that you can get the message sooner... Because TIMING...
Sorry mate, for some reason don't get email notes when you post. im definitely participating all i can.
  • #783
  • May 12, 2020 3:34pm May 12, 2020 3:34pm
Quoting inuit
{quote} Sorry mate, for some reason don't get email notes when you post. im definitely participating all i can.
Maybe you could check the settings... or maybe subscribe to thread also.. don't know.. Anyway, it is good that you are still here... if we keep doing good, we will find a way to be instantly notify each other, don't worry...

So who else would like to ACTIVELY participate in the GROUP EFFORT?
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #784
  • May 12, 2020 4:00pm May 12, 2020 4:00pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Maybe you could check the settings... or maybe subscribe to thread also.. don't know.. Anyway, it is good that you are still here... if we keep doing good, we will find a way to be instantly notify each other, don't worry... So who else would like to ACTIVELY participate in the GROUP EFFORT?
hello, i am new here, i am very interested, if possibly i want to participate, thank you
  • #785
  • May 12, 2020 4:11pm May 12, 2020 4:11pm
Quoting azidane
{quote} hello, i am new here, i am very interested, if possibly i want to participate, thank you
Sure, everyone welcome, I suggest you read the thread, specially first few posts to see what it is all about and then to check/scrool the examples, specially BEFORE/AFTER posts/screenshots... To see what we are looking for... Post your ideas or whatever... I myself will build some stat for this week and then I think I will throw some real deposit again to aim for n=5-7 at least... preferably n=10 while n=12 is what we are looking to get, specially when depositing $250USD... but till we can confirm that n=12 is realistically or worth the trouble (burned deposits for burned trials)... I think we could each start with 10USD since at n=10 that would be 10k OUT or at n=12... 40k... As was said before, I suggest you read and post... Specially next week
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #786
  • May 12, 2020 5:37pm May 12, 2020 5:37pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} The thing about CHEETAH is that you have to be READY to ATTACK the opportunity... I went into WTI BUY "by myself" - in trade now.. Hope we can contribute to each others trades in the future... How many are here willing to participate in this GROUP EFFORT of CHEETAH TRADING ? Please let me know so that I can quote you and that you can get the message sooner... Because TIMING...
Was not that bad entry.. even 500:1 would go through, just didn't come to 100%/trade at 100:1, which is not surprising, specially at this part of the day and also there were some news in between... So will rethink about going bigger leverage for WTI also... This is the thing I hoped we could do together... finding optimal price difference to aim for, therefore optimal leverage derived from it.. and then to see what "n"s to look for.. so to choose between lower but more frequent vs rare but high... So still building the stats... And then we, hopefully, try to do it as a group.. first with smaller positions... (as a starting point in the series) and then to "recycle" the profits further, to aim for higher "n"s.. So pls contribute as much and anyhow you want/can.
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #787
  • May 14, 2020 2:06pm May 14, 2020 2:06pm
Well ok, (trading) week coming to an end.. There were some good opportunities this week but FED/Trump really impacted the market about the interested rates and wanted strength of certain currencies.. But on the more positive note... WTI and GOLD seem to start really pick up! So I think we should focus more on WTI and GOLD markets, even for cheetah... So who is up for the game? I think we could start this GROUP TRADE in about a WEEK, what do you say? If/till there will be no activity here.. I will do privately to n=5 LIVE and post it.. and then I might get others interested to do the other half of 5 together, what do you say? And what I said before still holds.. the more you contribute, the more I will... The people that will contribute the post, will get even more info (by me buddying them for certain period, for them to see non-public entries/exits evens...)... So, up to you ppl... Let's do this... We only have to roll to n=12 ONCE.... Would be epic, if we could do it together, each for his own account... since not much needed to start, if we can get to n=12... and if we do...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #788
  • Edited 9:43am May 15, 2020 8:40am | Edited 9:43am
Ok have been testing this week... And I can say that operating within SL 10 at 500:1 max is EXTREMELY hard... I have re-tested it LIVE on IC today (and managed to pull it off after some time - exhausting).. have waited QUITE some time for optimal entry... but I can tell you, do not expect SL 10 signals from me, because it is just too tight... and do not forget the spread... And also, If we could PULL it OFF...within SL 10 and targeting TP22 for example at 500:1, max, which would mean about 100%/trade... AND since I assume those signals (with high estimated "certainty" would be extremely rare/hard... then why "waste them" for small steps? Since we could then, if we can operate within less than SL10... go for the even higher leverage... for example 1000:1 (and preferable stop-out at 10% or less) and be "done with it" in n=10.. at 10USD down... and HALF A BUCK (0.5mio) out

So therefore I think it would be much more "realistic" to aim for:

  1. eurusd at 500:1 full positions (at 20% or less stop-out - you have to have right broker/account for this since many/most provide 50% stop at this leverage)
  2. WTI at 100:1 full positions (20% or less stop-out)
  3. GOLD at 200:1 full positions (20% or less stop-out)

Also please read difference between margin and stop-out... Yeah, they might be same (level) for many/most accounts but not always... Margin call is irrelevant for cheetah, stop-out is what we want to know about since this is the level when position gets stoped out (exited/pushed_out by broker, automatically).

I would still love to aim for 500:1 for all the mentioned markets... Maybe we could even throw BTC into it... but since BTC moves so much (in %), much less leverage would be needed...

So yeah, please read the first posts in first page and examples throgh the pages to see examples, calculations, "theory" etc... And hope many or at least some will join.. Observers will get some of course but (active) participants will get more. Should things go well... So far... it seems... that... It can be done...

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Have proven n=10 already... n=12 still needs to be fully/live confirmed.. but at least n=10 can be done, live... the question is how many times over.. or what is the occurrence... so if the wins will out-weight the invested trials/deposits...

Be here next week and please contribute! Please post if you are here/ready to do this... GROUP TRADE FTW... Remember... n=10 is 10USD->10k, n12 is 10USD->40k and what we are looking for (holy grail of this thread) is n=12 (at 100%/trade - at 500:1 full positions, at 20% stop-out or less)... is $250->1mio.
Think about it.
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #789
  • May 15, 2020 9:50am May 15, 2020 9:50am
[quote=auricforecas;12942972Please post if you are here/ready to do this... GROUP TRADE FTW... Remember... n=10 is 10USD->10k, n12 is 10USD->40k and what we are looking for (holy grail of this thread) is n=12 (at 100%/trade - at 500:1 full positions, at 20% stop-out or less)... is $250->1mio. Think about it.[/quote]

lets do it, i'm in dire straits already, fund's depleted etc.
  • #790
  • May 15, 2020 9:53am May 15, 2020 9:53am
Quoting auricforecas
Ok have been testing this week... Remember... n=10 is 10USD->10k, n12 is 10USD->40k and what we are looking for (holy grail of this thread) is n=12 (at 100%/trade - at 500:1 full positions, at 20% stop-out or less)... is $250->1mio. Think about it.
I am testing too... trying on live accounts with 10 USD.. recently tested different cheetah approach (n consists on multiple trades - total profit target 100% in 1 day but made with manual + EA. EA used for averaging in case I missed entry). SL20 and TP10 series with averaging (starting with 0.01 lots on GBPUSD). Made 15 trades and get 60% profit then all wiped out. But still, believe that could be a path. Because saw several traders using averaging + martingale with aggressive (+cheetah money management) EA trading:

For example this: https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...0#post12942080

And here: https://www.mql5.com/en/market/produ...tab_p_overview (he made 47k from 1k in 1 week with EA)

Grid/martingale EAs always fail in the longterm. But they perfectly suit for cheetah. Now I am testing those EAs related to grid/martingale to see n-s... idea is to make ~800% in 1 month, then cash out profit and restart again with initial balance. Then gradually increase initial balance.
  • #791
  • May 15, 2020 10:03am May 15, 2020 10:03am
Quoting joyny
{quote} I am testing too... trying on live accounts with 10 USD.. recently tested different cheetah approach (n consists on multiple trades - total profit target 100% in 1 day but made with manual + EA. EA used for averaging in case I missed entry). SL20 and TP10 series with averaging (starting with 0.01 lots on GBPUSD). Made 15 trades and get 60% profit then all wiped out. But still, believe that could be a path. Because saw several traders using averaging + martingale with aggressive (+cheetah money management) EA trading: For example this: https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...0#post12942080...
Awesome! That is why I "limited" "n" to n=12... because I suspect that this might be the SWEET spot to PULL OUT before oblivion.... Cheetah means, attack, kill, retreat! The name of the game is to find (together) the optimal "n" to aim/strive for... either one BIG or multiple "lower"... Hence (group) stat is needed..

BTW you made 15x TP10SL20 in a row? At what leverage? You compounded?

Also tnx for the TE you provided in the link... I might look at it.. Maybe we could use something from it, for at least some "n"s? At least to double/additonaly/cross-check our group trades?
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #792
  • May 15, 2020 10:06am May 15, 2020 10:06am
Quoting inuit
{quote} lets do it, i'm in dire straits already, fund's depleted etc.
Yeah man, I think we would both/each need 1mio for dire straits... 1mio each since inflation since the 80s
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  • #793
  • May 15, 2020 10:47am May 15, 2020 10:47am
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} BTW you made 15x TP10SL20 in a row? At what leverage? You compounded?
I started with 9 usd, grow till 14 usd with 15 trades. Idea is to make 100% (n=1) in 1 day with several trades - decide ideal conditions for EA, turn it on and turn off then 100%. Then double volume and repeat. I started with 0.01 lots and entered manually then turned on EA for averaging. TP for 1 trades is 10 pips. On -20 pips opening additional order in same dirrection with 0.02 lots. Using leverage 1:2000. Think starting N-s could be done on market maker conditions. Then switch on ECN.
  • #794
  • May 15, 2020 3:59pm May 15, 2020 3:59pm
Quoting joyny
{quote} I started with 9 usd, grow till 14 usd with 15 trades. Idea is to make 100% (n=1) in 1 day with several trades - decide ideal conditions for EA, turn it on and turn off then 100%. Then double volume and repeat. I started with 0.01 lots and entered manually then turned on EA for averaging. TP for 1 trades is 10 pips. On -20 pips opening additional order in same dirrection with 0.02 lots. Using leverage 1:2000. Think starting N-s could be done on market maker conditions. Then switch on ECN.
What about if your initial direction is completely wrong?
  • #795
  • May 16, 2020 1:24pm May 16, 2020 1:24pm
Quoting Merka
{quote} What about if your initial direction is completely wrong?
Then accept stop out, recharge account and try again.
  • #796
  • Edited 5:48am May 18, 2020 5:35am | Edited 5:48am
Hi guys... I propose that each of us do 10 trades like this...

  1. select 10 days that he/she is most certain and/or attach "estimated certainty" before/after entering each trade
  2. observe the highest TP possible before certain SL would get triggered...
  3. report

I propose we focus on PRECISION of entries and from then, from 10+ trades... we could then see what SL/TP combo would be the most optimal to go for... for certain "n"s...

First we have to see what SL is possible... how precise can we get... and what TPs can be achieved within that SL (would propose margin/stop_put as low as possible for cheetah strategy (otherwise we would have to adjust the SL because of it aka wasting "trading room") and then we would see how man times in a row can this be done... so to decide either to strive for one big(er) "n" with (very) low occurrence or multiple lower "n"s but frequent ones..

So SL level first.. then TP within... and then we will decide between many lower ns or few/one high/er/est one And also, if we could find correlation between estimated "certainty" and actual win-ratio.. we could then cherry pick just the best ones... So I was playing a little and maybe there might be better to go for higher SL, lower leverage (but still) high... All depending on the market and stat.. That is why the stat is very important...

Preferable markets are WTI and GOLD of course, but all are welcome (to add to the mix) for cheetah...

P.S. I found some crazy long "n" series but with some "bigger" SL... but overall would spit some serious buck... Will have to see if it can be repeated and what is the occurrence... So SL is main focus.. than TP within it.. and from those two... we would derive optimal LEVERAGE (and margin/stop-out) for certain "n"s....

Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #797
  • Edited 2:30pm May 18, 2020 9:24am | Edited 2:30pm
Quoting auricforecas
Hi guys... I propose that each of us do 10 trades like this... select 10 days that he/she is most certain and/or attach "estimated certainty" before/after entering each trade observe the highest TP possible before certain SL would get triggered... report I propose we focus on PRECISION of entries and from then, from 10+ trades... we could then see what SL/TP combo would be the most optimal to go for... for certain "n"s... First we have to see what SL is possible... how precise can we get... and what TPs can be achieved within that SL (would...
I'll show you what I mean on example... yesterday/today I made ONE trade... I used 50:1... for the sake of the experiment.. It was on one of main published TEs (this one)... You can see the latest (this) trade in the tradelist... I'm also attaching a screenshot...

So it is like this... I was sure 80-90% that the price will hit... but due to suboptimal time of entry... (on Sunday, where market is not "fully" opened, due to overnight entry and slightly also due to CAD holidays today... probability that it will do so within SL of 20PIPs were estimated at 60-70%... I also entered at OANDA's account where max lev is 50:1... but for stat purposes I know it best...

Aftermath is that TP 22PIPs did happen (LIVE) within (barely) SL20 "turning radius" ... From this we can derive that optimal parameters (in retrospect) would be SL25 and TP45+ (still rising within that SL)... So now we have to see how many TP would be possible within that SL... Atm.. if the TP would be the "limit" within that TP... the optimal/max leverage would seem to be (if you have broker/account that allows to operate within stop-out 20% or less)... 300:1... which would mean, at TP22... 60%/trade and at TP45 (current "peak" but still in play within that SL25)... 124%/trade... So this is just one example/reason/logic how the STAT would be tracked, maybe... And then later, when we have 10+ trades.. we will see what TP, SL would be optimal to strive for... considering everything (length of trades, exposure, etc...) either one BIG (high n) or more smaller (lower n) ones...

BTW stat is a little distorted due to how TE (TradeExplorer) calculated profitability (it divides profits to deposits and deposits are also transferred within accounts, back and forth)

And also, as said before... you might MARK the entry... but then check if it goes like you wanted.. if it does.. you can "afford" to waste a little potential profits, just to be sure... But if it doesn't... you wait till it does ("method" known as "bleeding the potential profits" to see if it goes where you want... and enter then... In this above example.. I might maybe wait till it goes as it should and could shave "clean one".. meaning SL ("well") within 20SL (clean)...

Ok something like that, if you didn't understand, check previous posts... It is very simple.... We just need to be right 12 times in a row, at 100%/trade...
But atm still looking what best X per row would be and what best Y%/trade would be.. meaning optimal TP, SL (and lev levels) to strive for....

Will go build stat now, privately... this one I did on public TE that I forget is still linked, but hey... here you have it...
Will report (win ratio, optimal TP, SL, LEV...) after I manage to get 10 trades in sequence... (again)...

Please contribute what you can.

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  • #798
  • May 18, 2020 1:25pm May 18, 2020 1:25pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} I'll show you what I mean on example... yesterday/today I made ONE trade... I used 50:1... for the sake of the experiment.. It was on one of main published TEs (this one)... You can see the latest (this) trade in the tradelist... I'm also attaching a screenshot... So it is like this... I was sure 80-90% that the price will hit... but due to suboptimal time of entry... (on Sunday, where market is not "fully" opened, due to overnight entry and slightly also due to CAD holidays today......
Heh, it is crazy, above entry potentially has 107PIP potential and still wouldn't hit SL25... In fact... It was within SL20 but right on the border (should apply "bleeding" method to it, for better precision - but for 50:1 I didn't bother since it was test for entry! So it is a dilemma if we would select SL20, based on this kind of signals or widen SL, to like 25, to have some reserve... Anyway, if we would put SL20... to this entry... it would go through, to 107PIPs!... And with SL20, at broker/account that does provide 20% stop-out or less, we could go fro 400:1... Which would mean... 400%/signal already On the LIVE entry mentioned in above post/quote... So think about it... 400% means x5 profit... (yes, five times...).. So if we could be looking for those kind of signals... we would only need n=5.25 of those to get from $250USD->1mio... Think about it... Also, this TP, SL, LEV.. is DYNAMIC... It depends on how clean/quick it goes towards the selected price... how tight it stick to the "line".. that you might pre-draw... if there are massive events, high-economic news expected while in trade etc etc... Still think 100%/trade is what we should aim for.. in EURUSD... 40%/trade in case of GOLD and 20%/trade in case of WTI.. but we should seriously re-think this higher TP... This one in particular had "gravitational pull" for help.. that I mentioned in some other thread...

So PLS contribute the STAT... like some already did.. The more you post, the more I will, in this thread... Else I will publish n=5 (100%/trade) equivalent, in retrospect and then wait for (some) of you to cross-check the future entries... And if all goes well.. Will then make one in public, from n=0 to hopefully all the way to n=12 (100%/trade equivalent)... up to 5 I might publish LIVE... the rest I will share with people that will contribute the most... then with ones that at least read, like it.. or POST... etc etc... You get the IDEA..

Hope you are motivated as I am... Serious potential... The idea is to ATTACK, RETREAT... This is a specially (short-term) strategy.. where the idea is to GET there.. attack, retreat, and STOP, before you throw it back... That is all it is.. We are just trying to figure out the optimal KILL per ATTACK.. and when to stop in order to preserve the most For the rest, please re-read the previous posts.
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #799
  • May 19, 2020 6:47am May 19, 2020 6:47am
Quoting Merka
{quote} Understood your idea. Thanks
Quoting ForestX
USDCAD Sell. Try to get in now before it's stop ranging. And exit before 2-3 hours markets are closing
Quoting joyny
{quote} Then accept stop out, recharge account and try again.
Quoting inuit
{quote} lets do it, i'm in dire straits already, fund's depleted etc.
Ok guys, I quoted one of your (random/recent) post just to get your additional attention... I have done enough tests already... Might do more semi-tests now... But I already have a glimpse of it... I think we should chase n=3-12 series... at 100%/trade equivalents... In eurusd terms for example... SL20 would seem to go through but it is right on the border so we might extend the room to 25+... Will see in the following days... What do you think?

What "n" (at 100%/trade equivalent) should we aim for, from your experience/testing/reason? I have made-tested n=3 this week already... One of the had FAR beyond 100%/trade potential in retrospect... So do you have any idea/suggestion what TP, SL, LEV should we look for the markets we are in, like WTI, GOLD and some eurusd on the side and maybe even some others?

When do we start, LIVE LIVE? Should I build it to n=3-5 first and publish (in retrospect) to get you some motivation?

My (current) experience is that we should look for minimum n=3... optimal would seem to be n=5-7... n=10 could be done, few times and n=12 is the holy grail
The question is what is the occurrence of each so that we could see which n would be optimal to go for, which one would outweigh the missed trials... the most.. also
what can be done in certain timeframe...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #800
  • May 19, 2020 7:29am May 19, 2020 7:29am
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Heh, it is crazy, above entry potentially has 107PIP potential and still wouldn't hit SL25... In fact... It was within SL20 but right on the border (should apply "bleeding" method to it, for better precision - but for 50:1 I didn't bother since it was test for entry! So it is a dilemma if we would select SL20, based on this kind of signals or widen SL, to like 25, to have some reserve... Anyway, if we would put SL20... to this entry... it would go through, to 107PIPs!... And with SL20, at broker/account that does provide 20% stop-out or...
Huh, 720%/trade potential already (in retrospect) and still wouldn't hit that SL... which means... x8.2 multiplier... Just four (n=4) like this and we would get $250USD->1mio+... Just for illustration... But would be hard to find/recognise such "single strikes" in a row.. So I maybe we should focus/stick to 100%/trades and aim for that n=10-12
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