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  • #581
  • Edited 12:25pm Mar 5, 2020 12:06pm | Edited 12:25pm
Quoting joyny
{quote} Here are stats for 3 years backtest: {image} As you see n>7 happened only once per 3 years. When going with 10 USD you need 166 attempts to get n=10. Recovery factor ~5. For n=6 etc it is not needed so much money as in Excel I just made some quick calculations to estimate. To get propper numbers need to walk all deals and mark results in the additional column then can get how much money needed to survive for example with n=6. See Excel attached: {file} But yes this is just simple EA working with stats only (no fundamentals). But we might...
Man, I really appreciate your post! Well n=10 ONCE in 166 trials... would still be be worth it right? 166x10USD=1660USD vs 10,000USD
About what connects between summer and 2019 and february, if... will let you know later IF I can "prove" it somewhat I do suspect but will talk later, most likely won't public, specially at so low activity... will let you know if all goes well... BTW this month will be very special also, if I am right

So pls keep up the good work with STAT.. and let's track the record "n" that we can make and what the occurrence of lower ns... n=10 happened ONCE already... LAST WEEK! I suspect next week might be good also, will personally target n=5-7 (next week) in LIVE TE! and will publish it retrospect... AND THEN... if you (all) start to contribute into group trade (effort at least, for the stat), might post another one (or more) LIVE (in the weeks that follows), more interactively, synced.

Also, do you find any correlation between your trades and your "gut" or estimated certainty... Because again and again...
If EACH one of us would bring only MOST "CERTAIN" trade... We could group them together into ONE epic one.. No hurry, we can wait for every high probability "n"..
We will have to pause at higher n anyway, to adapt LOT size, if we get there
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #582
  • Mar 6, 2020 2:20am Mar 6, 2020 2:20am
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Man, I really appreciate your post! Well n=10 ONCE in 166 trials... would still be be worth it right? 166x10USD=1660USD vs 10,000USD About what connects between summer and 2019 and february, if... will let you know later IF I can "prove" it somewhat I do suspect but will talk later, most likely won't public, specially at so low activity... will let you know if all goes well... BTW this month will be very special also, if I am right So pls keep up the good work with STAT.. and let's track the record "n" that...
I'm still working on the "synthetic assets" idea to be used for cheetah trading. See this my post I posted to mrdfx thread as he failed on a 409$ challenge yesterday (sadly.. he went quite well several months). Yes, I have an inner attitude to break the rules... (the rebel attitude becomes stronger after 5 times wiped out my cheetah account ) why to play according to "someone" rules? We need to invent our own rules and then play! so that's all about the "synthetic assets" idea.
  • #583
  • Mar 6, 2020 10:24am Mar 6, 2020 10:24am
Quoting joyny
{quote} I'm still working on the "synthetic assets" idea to be used for cheetah trading. See this my post I posted to mrdfx thread as he failed on a 409$ challenge yesterday (sadly.. he went quite well several months). Yes, I have an inner attitude to break the rules... (the rebel attitude becomes stronger after 5 times wiped out my cheetah account ) why to play according to "someone" rules? We need to invent...
Keep up the good work, please post some stat... you do not have to post anything conceretly now, I just want to know what the "record" "n"s you can come up to at 100%/trade and what occurance of other "n"s... And also what number of trials is expected (tops) to get to certain "n"s... You can just write, without "proof" this time at least And then we can see what deposit and target n would be optimal.. also what X%/trade...

For example I noticed that 100%/trade might be "safest" but also noticed many under-harvested trades.. So we have to see what %/trade would seem best...

Once (or in parallel) we do that, we can start GROUP trading... Oh yes, also it would help much with attaching "certainity" at certain n so that we can see if there is correlation between that, to maybe select only MOST "certain" ns for real money and/or higher deposits or at higher ns... Because once we would get to some good balance it would be even more important to enter right... For example.. For 10USD deposits... up to like n=5.. we can do wtih 60% certain trade aka mid-quality...

But if we start with 100 or even 1000USD.. every n can count... or from n=2-3 on... You get the point..

So pls post your stat, findings etc... and then we shall see...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #584
  • Mar 6, 2020 10:33am Mar 6, 2020 10:33am
Ok guys, some short summary.. EPIC week last week... proven (privately) n=10 is possible at 100%/trade... You can seen n=5 (entries) possibility in attach TE in my signature... I actually made n=3.3 equivalent in real money.. aka making 10-fold on the deposit.. I already withdrew the money... Btw also check those n=5 (or 3.3) trades how under-harvested they might be, its crazy... meaning more than 100%/trade was possible... within that SL/stop...

This week brought some mixed feeling specially in the middle of it... So wasn't sure... But now things appear to be improving...

Therefore I think THE NEXT WEEK might bring the EPIC conclusion, in either way... Because I would like to know what target n would be best to strive/strike for...
For example... if only there will be n=10 only once more this year, it might be worth to do a lot of 10USD starts as discussed in previous posts...

But I would love to "prove" next week that n=5-7 are "often" at like 60-80% each... (expectations to reality high match) etc... Or that n=10 can happen once every (few) month(s) or that n=12 CAN be expected at least ONCE this year... We are talking about series potential...

Also check previous posts and the whole thread...

To sum up.. LAST WEEK=GRAND SLAM. THIS WEEK.. SWEET-SOUR-SWEET... NEXT WEEK=EPIC (conclusion; either total fail or total win but PEACE nevertheless).
This experiment is coming to an end and then we start REAL REAL REAL, LIVE LIVE LIVE only

I expect to publish n=5-7 next week... FULL ones... With at least 100%/trade.... that would mean x32-128 FOLD (multiplication) on the deposit!

  1. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%24100*2%5E5
  2. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%24100*2%5E7

Think about it.

The next week will be THE LAST test-real week (for me)... Then will estimate record n (expected), some occurrence... and then striking effortlessly.. for the next 2-3 months at least Repeat/loop.. And then will have some epic stat... to maybe help with some conclusions.

Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #585
  • Edited 10:47am Mar 6, 2020 10:36am | Edited 10:47am
One more idea... sometimes I am happy when in backtests see some EA went completely straight forward down. Because then I just switch one parameter from BUY to SELL (or from SELL to BUY) and get profitable EA.

So if some strategy is completely loosing with SL30 and TP30 then sometimes changing entry direction (stupid approach but... sometimes it works) gives positive results.

So I had 3 in a row bad cheetah hunt recently. If I had 2 accounts - on A open as I expect deal direction and on B open in the opposite direction (at the same time) then A would give - 30 USD but B would give + 80 USD after 3 hunting attempts - so total balance +50 USD.

Let's suppose I am totally bad in prediction and make additional 3 losing trades on A, which on B turns out n=6, that's 640 USD on B and -60 on A. So final balance is +580 USD.

maybe hunt for bad deals? What is important is to be consistent - loser or winner but be consistent. So if you are able to lose 3 deals in a row (my case) - you can start for cheetah hunting!

So let's think about tips "how to lose".. first coming in mind is: OVERTRADE. So yes, overtrade as much you can! Then... trade 1 minute before the news. Trade with tight SL and TP.. Trade against the trend. Trade as many symbols you can (so don't learn one in particular). What else? Please advise how to lose deals?
  • #586
  • Mar 6, 2020 12:52pm Mar 6, 2020 12:52pm
Do you think eur will start to drop?You are good longterm trader.I dont know -eur touched big resistance weekly -i think it cross it?And you?What do you think?I trade gold also.what do you think about gold?Daily resisctance 1677-now its not clear it crosse it or not-its at resistance-you see.I always read your posts.weekly support is very far-i mean gold ,so its long trend up.
  • #587
  • Mar 6, 2020 3:03pm Mar 6, 2020 3:03pm
Quoting auricforecas
Guys, I suspect next week gonna be SEEK! I plan to make n=5-7 next week on LIVE TRADE! WIll publish in retrospect because I must be 100% focused and can not take additional pressure (chance, exposure) to post it LIVE, live sync... But are willing for a GROUP TRADE if anyone will like... Just posting signals is of no interest to me, except to show you what is possible, but can do that in retrospect also or throw some live (sync) now and then UNLESS you start posting as this last guy...
Good luck
  • #588
  • Mar 6, 2020 3:07pm Mar 6, 2020 3:07pm
Quoting Merka
{quote} Good luck
Tnx, will need all that I can get Also just noticed that I made some epic typo.. Meant to type SICK instead of SEEK and can not correct it anymore since time for that expired It will the moment of truth. Prepared for either way So stay tuned for report, if you are interested.
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #589
  • Mar 6, 2020 3:09pm Mar 6, 2020 3:09pm
Quoting viktoriaxz
Do you think eur will start to drop?You are good longterm trader.I dont know -eur touched big resistance weekly -i think it cross it?And you?What do you think?I trade gold also.what do you think about gold?Daily resisctance 1677-now its not clear it crosse it or not-its at resistance-you see.I always read your posts.weekly support is very far-i mean gold ,so its long trend up.
Will be focusing at BUY eurusd next week... But at CHEETAH, when we focus on smaller timeframes, it is possible to earn big even if actual trend is different But sure helps to be tuned with trend right, just for the extra wind in the back Not sure about GOLD atm (if we are talking about next week).. for sure would bet BUY longterm.. WTI is a little trickier, awaiting to enter BUY at it also, just after this mess gets through; corona and recent dispute about oil production...

But also anything can happen, some delays, specially at some disaster and central banks playing... But so far it was only delayed, the prices did reach so far, the ones that I came up with... But for cheetah that is not enough, we have to be PRECISE with entries (like surgeons) as you know
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  • #590
  • Mar 6, 2020 4:02pm Mar 6, 2020 4:02pm
Quoting joyny
One more idea... sometimes I am happy when in backtests see some EA went completely straight forward down. Because then I just switch one parameter from BUY to SELL (or from SELL to BUY) and get profitable EA. So if some strategy is completely loosing with SL30 and TP30 then sometimes changing entry direction (stupid approach but... sometimes it works) gives positive results. So I had 3 in a row bad cheetah hunt recently. If I had 2 accounts - on A open as I expect deal direction and on B open in the opposite direction (at the same time) then A...
I was focusing on this approach few months ago, I was always looking for bad strategies and EAs so that I can invert them, but guess what? It didn't work.

Then I came up with this conclusion. In Forex, we don't lose because our strategy is bad, but we lose because the strategy is random (50% win, 50% loss) and we end up losing because of commissions and spread. Profitable and Loser strategies are so RARE!
  • #591
  • Edited 12:27am Mar 7, 2020 12:12am | Edited 12:27am
Quoting geniousphp
I was focusing on this approach few months ago, I was always looking for bad strategies and EAs so that I can invert them, but guess what? It didn't work. Then I came up with this conclusion. In Forex, we don't lose because our strategy is bad, but we lose because the strategy is random (50% win, 50% loss) and we end up losing because of commissions and spread. Profitable and Loser strategies are so RARE!
Good point. I noticed that EA invert could "work" when sl and tp more than 20-30 pips and if EA lose 100 usd then inverting it mostly will give profit no more than 30 usd because of spreads/commisions. In longterm any EA based on normal sl/tp approach will have periods when it is profitable and periods when loosing. If deal count per year more than 1000 then can expect that some year will wipe out entire account. Thats overtrading for EAs too.... better optimize/backtest 10 or 20 years and have on average no more than 100 deals per year. Then some year will be negative some positive but in longterm you newer know... so better set up more than 10 EAs on 1 account to compensate fluctuations. And then set up N accounts with different EAs setups to compensate fluctuations of compensations.

I would say that strategies fluctuate +/- Y% arround average strategy profitability. Randomness can be managed as insurance companies it is dooing - they operate in compleate random world. And there are layers of insurance companies. Smaller are re-insured by bigger. The same for EAs. You have to build and operate an ecosystem of EAs to cover fluctuations. Never rely on 1 strategy 1 EA.

But will checkup some loosing EA setup with more than 300 deals per year to see what can be achieved vs cheetah here.

One idea is some primitive EA which is turned on on Monday and it try to gues dirrection of that week on 2 accounts with tp20 and sl20 with oposite deals. If it run in 1 direction 200 pips without retrace more than 20 pips (ok not so straight forward because of spreads but will adjust...) so we get n=10. Then check maybe sl/tp 30 or 40 works better. Get stats from several years. Thats how we could use 2 accounts vs cheetah.
  • #592
  • Mar 7, 2020 3:23am Mar 7, 2020 3:23am
Quoting joyny
One idea is some primitive EA which is turned on on Monday and it try to gues dirrection of that week on 2 accounts with tp20 and sl20 with oposite deals. If it run in 1 direction 200 pips without retrace more than 20 pips (ok not so straight forward because of spreads but will adjust...) so we get n=10. Then check maybe sl/tp 30 or 40 works better. Get stats from several years. Thats how we could use 2 accounts vs cheetah.
Here example of this week 2 accounts cheetah example vs GBPUSD:

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So we on Monday night start to trade on 2 accounts with SL 65 and TP 65. We open 2 opposite deals. For this week BUY account was the winner with n=4. If we operate with 0.01 lots then on SELL account we loose 4 deals so in total about 4*6.5 = -26 USD and on BUY account we have profit 104 USD. this is not precise, the last n is not full 100%... but just as an idea.

We need to make an EA and optimize/backtest to see what SL/TP is most winning and how n's is optimal to hunt for with this approach.
  • #593
  • Mar 7, 2020 4:35am Mar 7, 2020 4:35am
If you look closely at my TE you will find 5 closed trades at be with 4 win trades.

Those 5 be trades is due to poor entry or realise wrong in direction after entry.

This week I will try to contribute good trades as auricfecas requested.

Since I do live intraday trades I hardly find time to look for good signals.

So I thought about it that I will try to post longer term signals.
This means I will identify the entry level, sl and tp.
This signals will not be as accurate if I were to manage and decide the entry in live market.
Hopefully it's good enough.

Let me go through the 28pairs see what I can find.
Then I post below later.
Know what you trade
  • #594
  • Mar 7, 2020 3:10pm Mar 7, 2020 3:10pm
Quoting BWilliam
If you look closely at my TE you will find 5 closed trades at be with 4 win trades. Those 5 be trades is due to poor entry or realise wrong in direction after entry. This week I will try to contribute good trades as auricfecas requested. Since I do live intraday trades I hardly find time to look for good signals. So I thought about it that I will try to post longer term signals. This means I will identify the entry level, sl and tp. This signals will not be as accurate if I were to manage and decide the entry in live market. Hopefully it's good...
Nice... We all try together, this is very (if not the riskiest) style of trading ever, so failures are anticipated.. We just need to be right ONCE at like n=10-12 in one series in which we started with live good deposit But now it is still somewhat testing phase, so do what you can.

I will also see what is what the next week.. I expect the next week might be epic, some extraordinary opportunities... Have everything ready for full power burn
Will report.

BTW... untill we have some better stat that we can somewhat "rely" on and/or make any "conclusions" at all... Might not hurt to start with 10USD per trial-series once someone is ready... at n=10 that would mean 10k PROFIT (x1000) and within MOST trade/lot size limits

It is all about what "record" is to be expected (again) and what the occurance of lower ns... I would not mind we do n=3-5 many times or n=5-7 often or n=10 SOME times... And n=12 ONCE! At n=12 even at 10USD deposit we would get 40k USD out! Is that crazy or what? And it would still be within 500:1 max LOT limit since we enter 20k USD position EASILY in "standard" account and get 40k out I mean, is this crazy good or not?
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2410*2%5E12

But of course, the "holy grail" would be 250USD deposit in a series (we would just have to be more "sure") and go to a cool million in n=12 at 100%/trade.. but yeah we would have to adapt the broker/account along the way for lot/size limits or do more of them (sweet problems).

Also, I find IC might not be best for this due to no neg balance protection and 50% stop-out which leaves us with very low margin for error... But IC provides 500:1 also for WTI, GOLD.. I tried one WTI last week and it CRAZY how quick it happens (vs eurusd) for example, but is risky AF So atm I will do it in FxPro that provides good leverage for all 3 pairs that I am in atm.. eurusd, wti, gold... has good stop-out (20%) and very nice lot limit for "basic" accounts... And deposits, withdrawals works good, with standard options. I am exploring OctaFx, it has some lower stop-out even, but not 500:1 or even much lower for all 3 pairs... Also they recently changed deposit/withdrawal to BTC and Perfect Money only.. So yeah, will stick to FxPro for now and change later if there would be a need for it...

Also stop-out can be adapted if you leave some money in the balance so that you can trade full 1:1 without bother for stop-out since you have it covered, at least for lower (starting) ns... for higher it is expected you cherry-pick ns better so can deal within that 20% stop-out, specially at some pairs...

So let's see what happens next week and will report/review, together
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  • #595
  • Edited 9:50am Mar 8, 2020 9:26am | Edited 9:50am
Guys, I have a reason to believe that next week might very well bring CRAZY/EPIC cheetah opportunities... I think we might prove/strike n=10 again.

I will be somewhat more on the careful side on Monday (9th) since certain parameters will be "spooling" up... But on Tuesday (10MAR2020) I will go FULL THRUST in it..

Also guys, some teaser/tailer/preview... If we would find out that n=10s are expected at least ONCE per year, or like 3-5x or even 5-7x... That would mean that If we start only with 10USD per series trial (week)... Let's assume we put 10USD every Monday deposit and roll-it until failure or n=10... Just for illustrating the example, of course it can be entered anytime, but let's assume 10USD/week limit and that we start on Monday and if it blows, we wait for another week or we continue to n=10...
And if with that or similar or ballpark conditions we do get to n=10 at least ONCE a year... that would then mean that it would be basically impossible to have a overall loss ever again, or in years... Because: 10 USD (weekly) DEPOSIT, after n=10 (at 100%/trade) would spit out $10000 USD (yes, 10 thousand)...
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2410*2%5E10
Think about it! And not to mention if we start with $100USD or more... But would be gamble until we somewhat estimate occurrence of it. But 10USD might not even even be considered a gamble or game since internet/mobile/cable subscription alone costs more So until more stat/trade data I will be burning at least 10USD/week (targeting n=10), if the market conditions will appear to be good.

Which would give you x1000 more trials or (assuming every week)... 1000weeks to break-even (if you don't catch another n=10 again) And since there are about 52 weeks per year... That would mean almost 20years of "free" trials....

I still "regret" that I wasted n=10 due to only TESTing instead of actually DO IT with (at least) 10USD... did so with n=3.3 equivalent out of full n=5 trials that I closed too early (all parameters were not great at the time, but suspect that they might be very soon). But counted n=10 in parallel trade(s) with lower leverage.
Only did 5 parallels in live te instead of 10 and not all of 5 of them did I waited till full TP. Lesson learned, also will see in future stat if that n=10 was epic luck or something we can seriously strive for again (and again). To be continued.

If above assumption is to be confirmed, relied or bet on... I think it can bring best of all words, epic balance.. Since we can not really lose not initial investments (because 10USD/week is very cheap investment for such epic win that was proven (n=10 privately, but lower ns were publicly, timestamped) it can be done).

So just need to see if n=10 can be realistically expected at least once more... Hopefully can do this NEXT WEEK! If so, might then set n=10 as a goal (unless n=5-7 would appear to be much much more frequent, therefore potentially more profitable to strike/strive for absolute returns, even at higher deposits...

For now, chasing n=10 as I have proven to myself such series is possible at 500:1 max, from first trade of the week up to n=10. So that is the current target.
Now awaiting more stat to see record n and occurrence of lower ns and then we shall decide/estimate target n(s) and expected n=x win after y trials, therefore the optimal deposit for optimal profit

To sum up... The current name of the game is n=10... With at least 10USD deposit per trial (or per week) with the objective to STOP at n=10, withdraw (10k USD)
Even if it doesn't work, 40USD/month won't give me a headache... But if it reaches ONCE... it can basically can not be a losing strategy for the next 20years. Imagine that. So we prevent "giving it back"... At "dark ages" we lose 40USD/month at worst... And at best months, can get 10k USD/week out of nothing basically.. Tell me, is that not the closest to "dream" returns with so little deposit or what.. And n=10 was already proven possible, the question is how many times, occurrence.... But basically if we get it ONCE every THOUSAND (1000) trials, we can not lose any money.. And n=10 was already proven, just hope it was not just pure luck or 1/1000+ times that won't repeat for a long time To be found out, maybe even next week..

So we need more stat so we could adapt n=x target goal(s) and therefore derivate/deduct optimal deposit(s) for it Of course if we would found out that certain lower ns are possible with much more occurrence then of course might suggest increasing deposit and strike for them.. Its all down to stat aka history trials, some picture and of course, market conditions... So please help it work, we can EACH get MAD MONEY out of it The limit is only our SKILL (and LUCK) but as you can see, deposits are the least of the problems, specially for higher ns

And yes, should n=12 be proven and its occurrence somewhat estimated.. Am still down to deposit 250USD and go for full n=12 aka 1mio Maybe do it it
10USD->10k USD (in n=10) first, and put 250USD profits out of it for n=12 trial(s) goals IF we prove n=12 can be done and somewhat estimate its approx occurrence...

DIZ IT! Let's Go to Work

P.S. Some "guidance", "tool"... that I found useful is that... when entering cheetah, as I have wrote many times here before, is that if you believe in UP. and the market is (temp) falling, it is maybe better to let it "bleed/run" a little before you enter.. For example, if you think it is going up... but is falling, entering at that "dead" time or at falling, can be extremely risky, because you would bassicaly have to sync with the inflection point because margin for error is so small... But if you do parallel (lower leverage trade) and then wait till it goes your desired way (UP in this example)... you can they open parallel (cheetah) trade to ride the 500:1 max on it... This is what I did...

In fact 11th in the series was not cheetah (there I consider n=10 record so far) precisely because of that lag around/about inflection point.. But I did enter cheetah later, after it started to move to desired direction. For this record though, I counted only entries at parallel lower leverage trade even though 11th was entered paralleled delayed so it went through... and 12th, 13th and 14th were great in parallel lower leverage... So if I would count 11th in also... would show n=14 record also... But let's keep it n=10 as a record.. therefore my current target.. Always open to LOWER n or even increase it of course, after more data, stat. So pls help contribute.
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  • #596
  • Mar 8, 2020 4:58pm Mar 8, 2020 4:58pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Will be focusing at BUY eurusd next week... But at CHEETAH, when we focus on smaller timeframes, it is possible to earn big even if actual trend is different But sure helps to be tuned with trend right, just for the extra wind in the back Not sure about GOLD atm (if we are talking about next week).. for sure would bet BUY longterm.. WTI is a little trickier, awaiting to enter BUY at it also, just after this mess gets through; corona and recent dispute about oil production... But also anything can happen, some delays,...
Well started good, jumped 70PIPs on the open... Oanda open but Fxpro (EDIT: just opened too now) still closed for trade... This indicator is a strong indicator of EPIC week ahead... So go CHEETAH stand-by and watch for epic opportunities... suspect n=5-7 possible, if not n=10... Excited. This week could be it! The conclusion at least, if not epic withdrawal (of profits, even if starting with small-er deposit...)... Yeah, will still be a little careful until we get more data/stat.. but at smaller deposit much less of course.. See previous posts, calcs, for more... Would be worth to "risk" pocket change for it, if "all" would imply potential for the week, will see mon, tue.. and could then attack from including wed on, if not mon, tue..

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  • #597
  • Mar 9, 2020 10:47am Mar 9, 2020 10:47am
Ok counted n=3 so far, but didn't trade them live at 500:1 max... Still not sure what is worse "feeling" (best traders are detached at trading bust just to emphasise, also at CHEETAH is hard to stay detached even for the most cold ones, at higher ns at least), so either to LOSE the actual money or to SEE actual missed epic opportunites... Since n=3 is about x10.. Not to mention EACH trade was far over 100%/trade potentialy... but I have decided, for now, stat-arbitrary to attack 100%/trade ones.. Better have them more/all then to be "greedy" and miss some... So the news is that n=3 were counted already... but didn't went LIVE... All parameters were not optimal, but might come there within 24-48h... So I might start heavy attack wed, thu, fri.... Also thinking of increasing the number of attacks since I believe we are at the EPIC OPPORTUNITY MONTH (MARCH 2020)... So far still looks attacking n=10 with 10USD at the begining of the week might be the sweet spot and AFTER some profits, the second series (also to n=10 +/-X to what stat might "show" us), it would be much better to "risk" with PROFITS So that 100EUR could become 100k in n=10 Would be happy with 10USD->10k at first striked n=10, then 100USD->100k.. and then either we go for full n=12 with 250USD or put 1000USD and go to 1mio in n=10! It down to stat... So let's trade...

Please post your trade summary if nothing else, it is by trust, just pls state:

  1. Record "n"s you gained ever... at 100%/trade (at 500:1 max for example)... was it n=5, n=7, n=10, n=12 or more? (for me n=10 was the record so far; from the start of this thread)
  2. What was the occurrence aka how many times did you fail before reaching certain n...
  3. How many time did or do you expect for certain "n"s to keep happening vs number of trials?

BTW I found that it is worse to JUMP too late, meaning that if you see the opportunity, take it.. if you are confident enough or estimate good certainty... but I would advise against jumping on later because the initial planned entry might be good but if you then jump later, your SWING can stop you... that would not at initially planed entry.. For example you expect price to rise at certain time (t0) that that would give 100%/trade. But then you decide not to pursue or do pursue but close around even.. But then the price so that you would get +50%/trade if you would go/stay in... I would advise against jumping in since the price can swing back to -50% initial planned entry and stop you... Something that would not happened if you went/stayed at initial t... Of course all this assumes you planned the "right" 100%/trade entry at the first place... Basically saying, you either ATTACK or ABORT, would not advise to ATTACK when the target is already "half they there" because it can swing back and IMPALE YOU

Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #598
  • Edited 6:06pm Mar 9, 2020 5:00pm | Edited 6:06pm
Spread is so huge right now (EDIT: dropped now but still high) at certain markets that it is basically impossible enter cheetah 500:1 max since you would be STOPPED as you entered... Awaiting spread to come down... I guess markets afraid of going CRAZY
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #599
  • Edited 7:46pm Mar 9, 2020 7:27pm | Edited 7:46pm
GUYS, I believe WTI offers some crazy BUT opportunities RIGHT NOW... but be careful to enter correctly, specially at higher leverage (at higher spread and rather high stop-out).. As we discussed would prefer to enter WTI at 100:1 instead of 500:1 since spread for WTI is in general rather high (vs eurusd for example), specially at some brokers... But the ones that do provide somewhat better spread (vs other brokers but still far from what we know from eurusd), have a rather high stop-out so the "turning radius" could be a problem even at micro swings.. Hence WTI 100:1 BUY would appear to be the optimal choice, also at lowest spread you can get, also at rather low stop-out, so you have room for trade the develop, unless you are super surgeon/scalper .
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #600
  • Mar 10, 2020 4:22am Mar 10, 2020 4:22am
Quoting auricforecas
GUYS, I believe WTI offers some crazy BUT opportunities RIGHT NOW... but be careful to enter correctly, specially at higher leverage (at higher spread and rather high stop-out).. As we discussed would prefer to enter WTI at 100:1 instead of 500:1 since spread for WTI is in general rather high (vs eurusd for example), specially at some brokers... But the ones that do provide somewhat better spread (vs other brokers but still far from what we know from eurusd), have a rather high stop-out so the "turning radius" could be a problem even at micro swings.....
Guys, did you profit at least 100%/trade from above signal? At suggested leverage.
Can you afford to take that chance?
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