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  • #561
  • Feb 29, 2020 10:38am Feb 29, 2020 10:38am
Quoting auricforecas
Ok guys, gotta rest... It was a CRAZY week.. Just one more like this... that I can somewhat "predict" in advance.. and I am (or we are) SET... And the beauty is, more people can join and unlike poker for example... everyone/all at this table has the option to WIN! Specially if we GROUP trade together.. I mean, if just some of you could bring some just the "most certain" trades.. like FEW of them each.. we can "glue" it into one epic n=10-12 series... (n=10 was already proven to me this week). Think about it! We have to do it just once, in a lifetime!...
Hi AuricF

Plse explain these figures of your trade
On a 1000$ balance, you realize 2000$ profit = 200% return to new equity of 3000$.
Lots for this trade: 3.4????? = 3,40$/pp. B XAU @ 1,467.22 and sell @ 1,473.16. Total: 594pips
On a 1000$ account tha maximum I can trade is 0.1L=1$/pp

Where do I not understand?
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  • #562
  • Edited 11:28am Feb 29, 2020 11:12am | Edited 11:28am
Quoting Harry6
{quote} Hi AuricF Plse explain these figures of your trade On a 1000$ balance, you realize 2000$ profit = 200% return to new equity of 3000$. Lots for this trade: 3.4????? = 3,40$/pp. B XAU @ 1,467.22 and sell @ 1,473.16. Total: 594pips On a 1000$ account tha maximum I can trade is 0.1L=1$/pp Where do I not understand? {image}
Just in case some don't saw it before. "CHEETAH LIVE TE" is LIVE TE where I managed to made almost 4-digit return in 2 days as you can see (aka this week, but only made 500:1 max in parallel in this account for the last 2 days...).

"CHEETAH (GOLD), quick example 202%/trade" is a DEMO example precisely for the reasons you might want it... To see what it takes to get to 100% (or 100%) per trade aka in one trade. So 1000USD allows us to open 3.4 lots. I don't know how to explain it to you. 1 lot at that price is about 146700 USD, so divided by 500:1 leverage, we would need 293,4USD per LOT so therefore with 1000USD we can open 3.4 lots right?

PROOF (check): So even if we disregard what lot size gets display, let's see if the balance, price difference and the leverage matches.. Basically you are just opening till it says "not enough money" and once you make profit (x2), you increase the previous size x2 So if we have 1000USD deposit.... If the price for gold is 1,467.22 and it falls to 1,473.16, that is 5,94 price difference, so about 0,404% price difference, multiplied by 500 (500:1 leverage) that is about 202% profit
So you do not even have to deal with lots or this units you bring $/pp etc... Just use the BIG calc without lots, pips And for lots, just open till filled until the last 0.01 lot goes through at something Then once you reach 100% profit, you double the previous lot size (or reducing by 0.01 until it gets through), so you do not even have to worry how it is calculated

Or you can even ask your broker or icmarkets about how they calculate (max) lot sizes... Or maybe some guys here can explain it better.

Does your BROKER allows you to trade XAUUSD at 500:1 max position? Please check. Even if you have 500:1 account, brokers usually do not allow for all the pairs to trade at that... For example, ICmarkets allows 500:1 for eurusd, gold, wti... FxPro allows only eurusd to be traded at 500:1 on 500:1 account, WTI and GOLD are limited by max leverage which is 100-200:1...

BTW it takes about 3.0 price difference in gold to make 100%, in this example it took about 6.0 (5,94 to be exact) price difference to get about 200%.

BTW it is great that you guys are checking the examples I posted because most didn't even know it is possible to get so much per trade. And one of the main reason is broker or account at certain brokers... BTW If you find any good brokers that would allow 500:1 max with low spread for WTI, GOLD.. and also provide low stop-out... please let us know...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #563
  • Feb 29, 2020 12:12pm Feb 29, 2020 12:12pm
Ok, guys, going now... One more thing, let's TRADE this AF so we can say this soon!
Cheetahs lifespan is not that long, but it does one hell of a things while it LIVEs... Once it retires (profitably), we shall move to the BUY SIDE

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We shell then move to the NEXT LEVEL (<--TEASER/TRAILER), where bigger deposits (strength) will be needed.
But we need for now, let's RUN, CHEETAH STYLE (speed), for the 1mio in n=10-12 steps/strides (with basically "pocket change" downpayment; 250-1000USD), right?
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #564
  • Mar 1, 2020 7:22pm Mar 1, 2020 7:22pm
Quoting BWilliam
Next week I am going to set myself a personal challenge. 1,000% return in a day. This is followed by 10,000% return in 2 days. Don't know which day(s) but sometime next week. If I succeed I may go for 100,000% in 3 days. But I think the 2 days or 3 days is not continuous days but 3 days of trading that may not be continuous. Reason is I may not find the time to do this in 3 continuous days. Meantime I make the preparation necessary for this challenge.
Following certain developments on the forum I have decided not to go ahead with this challenge to protect proprietary matters.
Know what you trade
  • #565
  • Mar 2, 2020 10:19am Mar 2, 2020 10:19am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Following certain developments on the forum I have decided not to go ahead with this challenge to protect proprietary matters.
Hope not because of this thread or my posts here... But have to say that it is a pity, almost one of the last hopes died for this GROUP TRADE...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #566
  • Mar 2, 2020 10:53am Mar 2, 2020 10:53am
Guys, just a quick summary... I won't post so much in this thread, at least not longer posts... Everything that I either knew or wanted to says about CHEETAH strategy, has been said. Now it is DOING time. TALK is done.

What has been proven so far (since the thread opened):

  1. n=10 (at 100%/trade 500:1 max) IS POSSIBLE; done private testing last week.
  2. n=3.3 (100%/trade equivalent) happened last week, check attached LIVE TE... Made x10 on the deposit, in 2 days (last week). Already made the withdrawal, went through fine, no problems, so it was REAL trading, not some arbitrage etc...
  3. n=5 almost EPIC entries were made last week, check attached LIVE TE, but did "pussy-out" due to still somewhat uncertain or sub-optimal conditions or in other words all the indicators in the price prediction model were not 100% (GREEN); I expect that THIS WEEK, specially the last half of it.

For all (new) interested, please re-read the thread, specially my posts where you can find:

  1. many time-posted SIGNALS, posted BEFORE with AFTERMATH analysis, with CHARTs aka graphical presentation of signals, opportunities
  2. you can see how many signals/trades in a row DID happen, time-posted, LIVE! You can cross-check timestamps with actual chart
  3. how many n in a row is expected possible, as a "peak" or "record" so far, at least of this thread; we only need n=10-12 of them... That I now considered confirmed
  4. you can find some LIVE posted threads, mini-journal of certain trades, to see how ti goes, decisions while in HIGH LEV MAX trade
  5. you can find some examples, guidelines on how to JUMP on the train/opportunity when sensing 100%/trade

What you won't find in this thread:

  1. secrets of the universe
  2. how to TRADE from 0 to HERO, aka how to predict prices or whatever... IN GENERAL
  3. "one inch formula" that will be true forever and where you could make 100%/trade while you watch TV and TE is making you millions per week, automatically
  4. how to implement every rule you thing golden into this...
  5. etc etc

This strategy works best if you already know how to trade or at least have some good/extraordinary luck at least SOMETIMES and can somewhat "SENSE" when this would be (aka attach certain expected certainty of upcoming trades). You only need to bring at least ONE (n=1) signal PER YEAR... And 10-12 of us would be enough.

My contribution has been quite a lot... I promised LIVE TE and delivered it to quite some fine "n" example to show you what is possible since many didn't believe this theory has any real ground in REAL markets... Also some provided nice signals, examples before... where you had an option to make trades yourself, apply whatever TP, SL, LEV you wanted...

What to expect IF you contribute nothing:

  1. fine examples on what can be done
  2. expanding the mind of what is possible in REAL market
  3. some (up to) n=5 signals, in a row.. posted LIVE, in advance, in live TE... or at least shown in retrospect (delayed sync)

What to expect IF you contribute either posts and specially if you contribute signals, specially working ones..

  1. COMBINED group trade, where I would contribute at least n=3-5 most "certain" signals and then add yours...

ELSE I will (if all goes well) publish LIVE TE, like n=10-12, in retrospect, to show you what COULD/WAS done... Imagine if 1mio would be really made out of 250USD deposit. Would you be able to forget the missed opportunity! This might be shown live for up to n=5, if nobody contributes nothing, but the rest will be delayed (delayed sync). But if you start to contributing, trades will be posted live (without delay in sync). Hope you understand. Want you to award you for activity but won't throw pink diamonds in waste or to add pressure in already hard trading without added public pressure. Again, would happily do so if we GROUP TRADE it but not SOLO, at least not all the way to the n=10-12, if we can get there, again.

So to sum up, if you will just read, you will still get a lot, to see what is possible, learn something maybe and to expand mind of how much can be made this way... But if you contribute your cream dela cream trades, we can group them together into one EPIC SERIES aka GROUP TRADE where we would get 1mio each basically (at 250 DEPOSIT if we are talking n=12 or 1000DEPOSIT and n=12). Exploit the opportunity, if you know what might be good for you... This month will be epic, believe it... I will test the model on the market I am most familiar with (eurusd) for the next 11days and will then (also) add WTI, GOLD trades, if all goes well...

That would be all from my side until I see improved activity here, specially with signals (even if they fail, but we need the stat so that we could attach estimated occurrence of certain "n series").

Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #567
  • Mar 3, 2020 11:56am Mar 3, 2020 11:56am
Quoting auricforecas
Guys, just a quick summary... I won't post so much in this thread, at least not longer posts... Everything that I either knew or wanted to says about CHEETAH strategy, has been said. Now it is DOING time. TALK is done. What has been proven so far (since the thread opened): n=10 (at 100%/trade 500:1 max) IS POSSIBLE; done private testing last week. n=3.3 (100%/trade equivalent) happened last week, check attached LIVE TE... Made x10 on the deposit, in 2 days (last week). Already made the withdrawal, went through fine, no problems, so it was REAL trading,...
New comes, please re-read the thread before asking some questions that was answered n-times already.. The principle is very simple, all in 1st post... You can however find something along the other posts also, of course. Much more, you can find some examples, proofs, timestamped...

BTW if you are only here for signals, you might be disappointed... but if you start to contribute, at least posts, if not trades (for stat purpose) or maybe even signals... then I might involve myself much more, in the effort of the GROUP TRADE!

Awaiting posts, trades, signals, anything.. Meanwhile building private stat... and will report findings... to see what trade strategy would be optimal... for the cheetah, still believe n=12 would be best, starting with 250USD and targeting 1mio+ Check previous posts for more explanation. It can be done. The question is, are we the right (group) to do it?
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #568
  • Mar 3, 2020 4:16pm Mar 3, 2020 4:16pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} New comes, please re-read the thread before asking some questions that was answered n-times already.. The principle is very simple, all in 1st post... You can however find something along the other posts also, of course. Much more, you can find some examples, proofs, timestamped... BTW if you are only here for signals, you might be disappointed... but if you start to contribute, at least posts, if not trades (for stat purpose) or maybe even signals... then I might involve myself much more, in the effort of the GROUP TRADE! Awaiting posts,...
Have you considered the broker limitation on lot size?
When your account grows big than you will face brokers restrictions usually on max lot size allowed.
  • #569
  • Mar 3, 2020 4:34pm Mar 3, 2020 4:34pm
Quoting Merka
{quote} Have you considered the broker limitation on lot size? When your account grows big than you will face brokers restrictions usually on max lot size allowed.
Merka this has been answered in this thread quite a few times, tnx.
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #570
  • Mar 4, 2020 2:11pm Mar 4, 2020 2:11pm
Quoting Merka
{quote} Have you considered the broker limitation on lot size? When your account grows big than you will face brokers restrictions usually on max lot size allowed.
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Merka this has been answered in this thread quite a few times, tnx.

Merka, also this was almost the most common question or objection (and answered many times)... This is the least of our problems right now. But if you want to find solution(s), please check previous posts... Right now the real problems that we have is the lack of trades, signals that people would post so that we can make stat and estimate highest "n" to aim for, occurrence.. I am basically writing same thing over and over again...

Awaiting new signals ppl! Tell me when you are all ready for a GROUP TRADE... Otherwise I will just post some trades or in retrospect, to expand your mind of what is possible... But I find little motivation to post LIVE trades at 500:1 max, adding additional pressure for no reason basically...

AND assuming that would be problem, there are quite some brokers offering 500:1 max account up till 100lots and then they reduce it to 200:1 till 200lots, to 100:1 at 300lots etc etc... I do not think ANYone would have problem with that... The worst thing it would be we we make 25k out of 100USD in n=8... Or just pump 100lots, earning "only" 20k USD/trade... Do you understand? Also! I think there is 500:1 max broker (won't check because I see no purpose right now; if you do, please check via brokers live support and help us "solve" this "problem") that allows 500:1 max till 1000lots! Which would mean 200k USD position "only" per trade.. that would mean 200k/trade "only"... We would just have to do it a few more times, but not necessarily in a row, just at BEST or most "certain" trades....
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #571
  • Mar 4, 2020 2:37pm Mar 4, 2020 2:37pm
Ok what I find the most beneficial at CHEETAH is that you do your "normal" trades... For example, I found it BEST that If my price prediction model "predicts" certain price, it is not good to enter it COLD TURKEY but it is best to wait for price to develop, that it starts to MOVE towards new price a bit... very nice is that it starts to climb or slide as linear as possible and when you think is best, you ATTACK cheetah style... Quite some posts before, please check! Also please do not expect this cheetah thread, at least not for me, that to give you the overall strategy or "price prediction" powers or something... It is ADDITION if you already know how to trade (and/or harvest or whatver) somewhat or have, like (I maybe, not sure) have price prediction model out 10+ years that APPEAR (at times at leass) to spit out certain price predictions that happened all, but some with massive delay; which is where leverage strategy then makes the difference between profits and loses... That's all there is about it, please check previous posts.
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #572
  • Mar 4, 2020 2:51pm Mar 4, 2020 2:51pm
INTERESTING thought...
Btw this week is rather crappy, market uncertain where to go, either to continue last week or to INFLECT... aka inflection point week or suspend only before proceeding with previous...

Ok so here is what I was thinking... Last week I counted 10 cheetah trades in a row, starting from FIRST of last week... With this DELAYED "fuse", all 12 would go through... But what I am trying to present is this... Assuming n=10 could be repeated at least ONCE more this year, meaning 10 trades at 100%+/trade... And let's assume (just for better illustration; also this is what happened this week - 10 potential cheetah entries/trades deducted/counted/derived from some sub-cheetah trades) all 10 trades would happen in a same week, from first trade to n=10, after we could maybe stop (for the week) - also this depends of what record "n" would be and what the occurrence(s)... But let's say n=10 at 100%/trade would happen from Monday Morning to 10th trade in a row...

And as you know (I hope), that would mean x1000 on the DEPOSIT... Which would mean if you started with 10USD, you would get 10k USD out in n=10 trades..
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%2410*2%5E10

Can you believe it! That would mean that it would be "worth" to SUBSCRIBE/DEDICATE to CHEETAH for 2020... you would basically risk 10USD/week...
in order to STRIKE n=10 ONCE!.. 43weeks left, x10USD = 430USD.. and if n=10 is expected only once (that is why I beg you for trades/signal, whatever, so that we can build stat, to see what are the estimated chances of it repeating!) you would get 10,000USD out (minus up to 430USD deposits), would still get almost full 10k

Think About It!

Last week was EPIC, this week is CRAP, it comes down to NEXT week.. I am building strong stat now...Please contribute!
Will decide NEXT week if this n=10 (or what "n" is; occurrence maybe) is "realistically" expected... and if so... I will spend like this... It would be worth it...

BTW the same experiment goes for 1USD/week... would cost up to 43USD, potentially to get 1000USD out, good right? also of course, START can happen anytime, beginning of the week would just be nicest, for tracking at least And btw I expect 10-12 potential signals/trade per week, not more... The question is, how many of them cheetah, what the record "n", what occurrence for lower "n"s etc...

Also hope you understand above is just an example, it comes down to stat what "n" would be best to strive for... etc... I still believe n=12 could be done... in fact could be last week if one "suspicious" would be entered a little later, by method I described, but yeah, let's focus what actually was possible, n=10 was confirmed in my book.

Also please read previous posts.. I am done repeating same thing over and over again, while we drift of the MAIN purpose of the thread.. which is GROUP TRADE!

Pls contribute so that we can each drive a F-car this year
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #573
  • Mar 4, 2020 3:22pm Mar 4, 2020 3:22pm
Quoting auricforecas
Awaiting new signals ppl! Tell me when you are all ready for a GROUP TRADE... Otherwise I will just post some trades or in retrospect, to expand your mind of what is possible...
Look at my live TE for USDJPY trading SL50 and TP50 on H4. Starting from February 3 till March 3 it hit n=9 in a row. Can we analyze those signals in group trade?

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I lowered my account from 100 USD to 25 USD per try but it seems 10 USD for a try is ok too. Because... well yes it might take ~40 times to hit n=10. Learning process...
  • #574
  • Mar 4, 2020 3:33pm Mar 4, 2020 3:33pm
Quoting joyny
{quote} Look at my live TE for USDJPY trading SL50 and TP50 on H4. Starting from February 3 till March 3 it hit n=8 in a row. Can we analyze those signals in group trade? {image} I lowered my account from 100 USD to 25 USD per try but it seems 10 USD for a try is ok too. Because... well yes it might take ~40 times to hit n=10. Learning process...
This is exactly what we are trying to find out, so what "~X times" does it take to get one n=Y.. Btw assuming TP50 PIPS in USDJPY is about 0,46% price change (before leverage)? If so, you did crazy good trades then Do you think n=8 could be repeated, in what amount of trials? Yes, would be epic for group trade, what is the "n" record you estimate and/or how frequent certain "n"s happen out of x trials?
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #575
  • Mar 4, 2020 3:45pm Mar 4, 2020 3:45pm
Quoting auricforecas
This is exactly what we are trying to find out, so what "~X times" does it take to get one n=Y.. Btw assuming TP50 PIPS in USDJPY is about 0,46% price change (before leverage)? If so, you did crazy good trades then Do you think n=8 could be repeated, in what amount of trials? Yes, would be epic for group trade, what is the "n" record you estimate and/or how frequent certain "n"s happen out of x trials?
Its EA. Backtested 3 years on real ticks before launched on live account. As i remember were 3 times n=8. Will check tomorrow when at laptop.
  • #576
  • Mar 4, 2020 3:49pm Mar 4, 2020 3:49pm
Quoting joyny
{quote} Its EA. Backtested 3 years on real ticks before launched on live account. As i remember were 3 times n=8. Will check tomorrow when at laptop.
Nice, pleaes check... 3x n=8, it what timeframe or number of trials? Could be worth it... we could leverage it up at like to become 100%/trade... n=8 is strong, special 3 times... just had to know number of trials now...

BTW, just checked your TE and it seems you made last 9 of them and 10th on the run (Green atm).. Sou might have just nailed n=10... n=10 at 100%/trade would mean x1000 on the initial deposit, crazy!
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #577
  • Edited 2:00am Mar 5, 2020 1:36am | Edited 2:00am
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Nice, pleaes check... 3x n=8, it what timeframe or number of trials? Could be worth it... we could leverage it up at like to become 100%/trade... n=8 is strong, special 3 times... just had to know number of trials now... BTW, just checked your TE and it seems you made last 9 of them and 10th on the run (Green atm).. Sou might have just nailed n=10... n=10 at 100%/trade would mean x1000 on the initial deposit, crazy!
Here are stats for 3 years backtest:

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As you see n>7 happened only once per 3 years.

When going with 10 USD you need 166 attempts to get n=10. Recovery factor ~5.

For n=6 etc it is not needed so much money as in Excel I just made some quick calculations to estimate. To get propper numbers need to walk all deals and mark results in the additional column then can get how much money needed to survive for example with n=6. See Excel attached:

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But yes this is just simple EA working with stats only (no fundamentals). But we might use it as a signal - then every time analyze according to fundamentals or with our eyes looking at charts and see more info as EA now "see". Another option is to add more "brains" to EA with additional filters using Neural Networks for example.

But what interesting n=9 happened in summer 2019 and now in February 2020. Only few months between. What is similar to those periods? What market conditions?

Logic for EA is wait in H4 situation when 3 previous candles (but not only previous - we seek that pattern in the past when level did not broke jet) make pattern:
1) For buy - candle1 high lower than candle2 high and candle3 high lower than candle2 high
2) For sell - candle1 low higher than candle2 low and cancle3 low higher than candle2 low.

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We set pending order on candle2 high/low - expecting bareakout of that level.
  • #578
  • Mar 5, 2020 6:11am Mar 5, 2020 6:11am
strong eurusd buy
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #579
  • Edited 11:37am Mar 5, 2020 11:26am | Edited 11:37am
Quoting auricforecas
strong eurusd buy
well published it when the linear that I was talking about, was already established (much), but unfortunately I published/timestamped it a little late for you to go full cheetah (at 500:1 max within that SL), meaning 100%/trade.. at least at 500:1 max... Must tell you that this trade was a TORTURE.. It took so long... Check the predicted line (violet line) vs actual market... The line was made BEFORE there was any chart after the start from it of course... So you can compare... As you can see the slope (unknown parameter in the industry because people think it can not be done even; it helps to measure the quality of my price prediction model) was extraordinary close, check the last picture where I made a DUPLICATE of parallel, for you to compare the slope... The left one is the original.. before there was any market data after its starting point, the right one is the copy/duplicate, so you can compare predicted vs reality (slope)... Also it was nice... I went full cheetah at it's last 38pips.. but it was a torture since it was swinging, had to re-affirm/mantra myself not to close and trust the model... It was also the important price to break... The yellow vertical time is about the time I posted here (check above/quoted timestamped post about the signal)... It is hard to trade and post... so If I decide to post anything further here, the signals I mean... Will do so by TE (will just see about the sync, based on your activity here, check previous posts about this).

See attached pictures.. Also you can see the last picture of Chart from TE... And not, this is not from the published TE... Hours on TE and Chart matches btw... (my time).

BTW as was already explained, I use OANDA chart in parallel since I can "read" it best... I trade cheetah in MT4 in parallel... Also I use tools that this forum provide to analyse the trades as TE.. Some of the TE I publish, not this mentioned in this post though. Plan to publish more soon, if all goes well.. and about how much, how soon and how "synced", it is up to you(r activity), check previous posts, tnx. This run was just a (LIVE account, at different broker) test, that is also why I do not publish it...
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  • #580
  • Mar 5, 2020 12:00pm Mar 5, 2020 12:00pm
Guys, I suspect next week gonna be SEEK! I plan to make n=5-7 next week on LIVE TRADE! WIll publish in retrospect because I must be 100% focused and can not take additional pressure (chance, exposure) to post it LIVE, live sync... But are willing for a GROUP TRADE if anyone will like... Just posting signals is of no interest to me, except to show you what is possible, but can do that in retrospect also or throw some live (sync) now and then UNLESS you start posting as this last guy...
Can you afford to take that chance?
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