CHEETAH Trading (100%+ per trade or up to 500% or more) | Page 15 | Metals Mine

Options

Go to
Permalinks
Print Thread

Related Instruments

WTI/USD, EUR/USD, Gold/USD

Similar Threads

How much do you risk per trade? 124 replies

$2,500 Gold in 2022 30 replies

S&P 500 reverse 1 reply

5% risk per trade? 272 replies

I'm a newbie - I'm taking 10% per day 21 replies

Attachments: CHEETAH Trading (100%+ per trade or up to 500% or more)
Exit Attachments

CHEETAH Trading (100%+ per trade or up to 500% or more)

  • #281
  • Jan 12, 2020 2:54pm Jan 12, 2020 2:54pm
See Excel attached - walked all deals. So we total have 227 deals in 3 years. See 1st sheet - scroll down when you will see my analysis of every deal and where I simulated hunting n=6.

Emulated what Admiral could give. So it seems around 83474 USD in 3 years as profit risking with 12000 USD (ok I would reserve 20 000 USD for 20 tries).

What here we see.. maybe better to hunt n=3 or n=4... Or start hunting after 2 looses in a row.. will analyze further what could be best risk/reward approach.

Will describe EA logic. But believe it can be any entry conditions - what is important that risk/reward for 1 deal is about 3:2 or 4:3 or between. We cant get n=6 with risk/reward 1:3 etc we can easily get n=6 with risk/reward 4:1 almost with any entry conditions (for example RSI, Bollinger Bands, etc).

Maybe we could collaborate - I will tell when EA will place a deal (will publish pending orders in TE) and we together analyze is that deal "promising". So we maybe could avoid stupid deals which EA is now making. You see this EA works with just statistics - no fundamentals.

Will check your links regarding Gold and WTI.
Attached File(s)
File Type: xlsx GBPUSD_recovery_9.86_dd_11_profit_109_SL28_TP22_AdmiralMarkets_hunt.xlsx   282 KB | 348 downloads
  • #282
  • Jan 12, 2020 3:31pm Jan 12, 2020 3:31pm
Quoting joyny
See Excel attached - walked all deals. So we total have 227 deals in 3 years. See 1st sheet - scroll down when you will see my analysis of every deal and where I simulated hunting n=6. Emulated what Admiral could give. So it seems around 83474 USD in 3 years as profit risking with 12000 USD (ok I would reserve 20 000 USD for 20 tries). What here we see.. maybe better to hunt n=3 or n=4... Or start hunting after 2 looses in a row.. will analyze further what could be best risk/reward approach. Will describe EA logic. But believe it can be any entry...
Yeah man, that collaboration was the whole idea... Aka GROUP TRADE... So I am definitely for that..., that was the whole point
Anyway, haven't breakdown everything in your .XLSX but not sure if this "skip" is a simulation or the EA decides what/when to skip.. But anyway... Have seen that your
input parameters are "sl1=28, tp1=22", so TP22pips vs SL28?... This would not go through at 500:1 max-in... in EURUSD for example.. because you would long be stopped out Stop-out is the most critical thing at this strategy... Because most brokers STOP-OUT (that is beyond MARGIN-CALL although some people think this is the same thing since many brokers use the same levels for margin and stop-out, so at around 50% margin)... But at IC for example... stop-out is 50%.. So you would have VERY tight "error" window... and also there are SPREAD costs... So it might turn out that we shall aim for lesser %/trade or increase TP or whatever...
Anyway, Octafx and FXPro have much lower stop-out... I think 15%-20%.. you can check... but they do not offer 500:1 for metals, energy... (WTI; GOLD)... So yeah, some real-life adaptations would be possible.. But we have proven that it can be done.. We must adapt as the stat builds up of course, to see what would appear to be the optimum TP/SL/LEVERAGE/SIZE to aim for in order to get MAX/OPT profits in shortest possible time of course
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #283
  • Jan 12, 2020 11:36pm Jan 12, 2020 11:36pm
Quoting auricforecas
Anyway, haven't breakdown everything in your .XLSX but not sure if this "skip" is a simulation or the EA decides what/when to skip..
The idea is we run 1 EA constantly on a demo account. And manually open deals in live account when the right conditions in demo. In my last Excel example condition is we wait for 1 loose. So when we get n=6 then we wait for next loose in the demo account - therefore skipping some deals.

Quoting auricforecas
Have seen that your input parameters are "sl1=28, tp1=22", so TP22pips vs SL28?
Yes stop loss 28 (risk) and take profit 22 (reward). That's the best setup found in optimizations for GBPUSD for this EA. For different symbols, there are different best setups.

Quoting auricforecas
This would not go through at 500:1 max-in... in EURUSD for example.. because you would long be stopped out Stop-out is the most critical thing at this strategy... Because most brokers STOP-OUT (that is beyond MARGIN-CALL although some people think this is the same thing since many brokers use the same levels for margin and stop-out, so at around 50% margin)... But at IC for example... stop-out is 50%.. So you would have VERY tight "error" window... and also there are SPREAD costs... So it might turn out that we shall aim for lesser %/trade...
Admiral market stopout at 30%. As you see in my previous Excel with n=8 example - it didn't stoped out. But yes with that risk/reward ratio 28/22 for 1 deal it is not possible to reach 100% return from one deal.

But as I mentioned before - risk/reward ratio impacts on n=X series. If you trade with 1:2 then fewer possibilities to hunt n=6. Will backtest with SL28 and TP56...
  • #284
  • Jan 13, 2020 2:53am Jan 13, 2020 2:53am
Analyzed again previous Excel this time n=3 hunting - see results attached

1. When we hunt n=6 there were 30 losing shoots in a row - that give to us max -30000 USD drawdown and 85474 USD total profit, so recovery factor is 2.85

2. When we hunt n=3 there were max 9 losing shoots in a row - so it was max -9000 USD drawdown and 42080 USD total profit, so recovery factor is 4.68

Here we see that hunting n=3 is more profitable (and cheaper) than hunting n=6 for this EA... and n=3 have less impact on emotions than n=6.

Those results solely based just on primitive EA logic and statistics. Believe if added fundamentals we could get much better performance and go for n=6 (but split capital with n=3 just in case?)

Think of DJI30 and SP500 because they will go up this year till USA presidential elections. Tramp will do anything to get them going up or at least not down. Maybe include indexes too?

One more idea to check.. hunt only after 1 loose because 84% deals after 1 loose were winning. So wait for 1 loose, make a deal, then wait for another loose and make a deal. Repeat this till n=6 (and n=3 should be checked too).
Attached File(s)
File Type: xlsx GBPUSD_recovery_9.86_dd_11_profit_109_SL28_TP22_AdmiralMarkets_hunt2.xlsx   286 KB | 322 downloads
  • #285
  • Jan 13, 2020 12:38pm Jan 13, 2020 12:38pm
Quoting joyny
Analyzed again previous Excel this time n=3 hunting - see results attached 1. When we hunt n=6 there were 30 losing shoots in a row - that give to us max -30000 USD drawdown and 85474 USD total profit, so recovery factor is 2.85 2. When we hunt n=3 there were max 9 losing shoots in a row - so it was max -9000 USD drawdown and 42080 USD total profit, so recovery factor is 4.68 Here we see that hunting n=3 is more profitable (and cheaper) than hunting n=6 for this EA... and n=3 have less impact on emotions than n=6. Those results solely based just...
Intersting.. I really love how you are involved in this... BTW... Do not know if you have the option to do that.. But you can find official FULL tick-by-tick data onlike for every month... for free... And you could program parameters and outcomes... But yeah, that would be enormously more work... BTW I can not use back-testing in MT4 for certain strategies... but could program it to backtest... for certain strategy at least.. But for CHEETAH, as have been said, I can not program EA since the ENTRY is HUMAN factor since we have to be precise AF...

Ok one more thing.. Since you mentioned GBPUSD.. have checked quickly.. and at FULL position in (if possible)... at 500:1... one would have need TP26 (26 PIPS) at current rate.. (about 1.3000) in order to get 100%/trade... And assuming stop-out at 30% as you mentioned... SL could be max (100-30=70) 70% of that so about SL18 (18 PIPs) otherwise... "turning radius" would be too short for trades to SWING before going to TP.. Very important thing... Also if broker does not allow you to open full position at 500:1.. but only, let's say... 80%... Then TP would need to be 25% higher to compensate for that, so TP32.5 and SL22.75 tops (either-wise STOP-OUT would be triggered). What % does your broker (Admiral) allow you to open? So anyway hope you got the idea, that is why it is vital to test a few trades in DEMO first and then REAL, just to see REAL market info... So hope that helps since at rolling TPs.. every PIP or % counts at compounding...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #286
  • Jan 13, 2020 1:30pm Jan 13, 2020 1:30pm
Quoting auricforecas
alert, exception signal, eurusd buy!
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Ok one of the cleanest signals for a long time... I originally intended and keep intending to post only WTI or GOLD in this thread... But this eurusd was an exception... I was in a trade even before I posted and it started to gain track almost down to a projected line (with slope even...) so I decided to give you this as a motivation... I am now resuming only WTI and GOLD talk from my side... But let's just see how clean this signal was, from the timepost... Time of timestamped post above... 16:09, price at that time was 1.11033... it went...
Guys I must show you again this epic signal... I was on mobile at the time and said you guys need to see this... Timestamped post is, as said before, 16:09 (1.11033) and it didn't went 1PIP down from there, just up... You can check yourself in your charts... The PEAK from till now is 1.11478... And still 1.11385 now..
Meaning SL at 500:1 max position would still not be hit! What that means is that PEAK would yield, at 500:1 max...200%... But the most amazing thing is the ENTRY... Since it didn't went 1PIP in counter, believe it, check timestamp and your chart (I started typing the post JUST before this greencandle rise, believe it or not, but you can check from the TIMESTAMPED post, when it was already post at 16:09 my time... one could afford 3000:1 (and about 50% stop-out)... which would yield... 1200% return/trade... and still possible for more since price is still not even near the entry.. Buy yeah since BUY, SWAPS would be crazy.. Just wanted to show you what is possible.. Although I do not dream of so precise entry atm.. Just wanted to show you since I brough it up.. I wouldn't even post it here, for this other market, if it wouldn't seem extreme opportunity.. Again, plan to post WTI and GOLD here... Just had to show you this
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: Screen Shot 2020-01-13 at 20.20.59.png Size: 87 KB
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #287
  • Jan 14, 2020 1:36am Jan 14, 2020 1:36am
Quoting auricforecas
Since you mentioned GBPUSD.. have checked quickly.. and at FULL position in (if possible)... at 500:1... one would have need TP26 (26 PIPS) at current rate.. (about 1.3000) in order to get 100%/trade... And assuming stop-out at 30% as you mentioned... SL could be max (100-30=70) 70% of that so about SL18 (18 PIPs) otherwise... "turning radius" would be too short for trades to SWING before going to TP.. Very important thing... Also if broker does not allow you to open full position at 500:1.. but only, let's say... 80%... Then TP would need to be...
Tnx for involvement. Seems we are here only 2 who are dedicated to try this CHEETAH approach?

Anyway if you are interested in my EA signals for GBPUSD then you can subscribe to me and become a buddy. Enabled in my TE that you will see pending orders.

Turns out that Admiral Markets offer ECN with leverage 1:500! So seems will stay with Admiral Markets for CHEETAH.

Meanwhile noticed that yesterday all brokers hit TP for my EA with GBPUSD - I am testing Roboforex, Darwinex and Admiral. In TE is attached Roboforex instance. Hope those signals will be valid for your broker as well.

Now waiting for a response from Admiral - asked to enable demo account for 1 year (now they have a limitation that demo is only for 1 month).

Meanwhile, find out that DJI30 might be better than GBPUSD for CHEETAH - see my thread, published everything (strategy rules, EA, backtesting results): https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...8#post12613018 But problem that Admiral Markets ECN is only for MT4. Need to port that EA from MT5 to MT4...

For DJI30 there can be 15 wins in a row. And SL10 TP15 so we can get here 100% profit from 1 deal - but not in all cases because using some kind of trailing but backtests show that it is ok sometimes quit with 50% deal/profit in order to stay on track with win serie.
  • #288
  • Jan 14, 2020 11:23am Jan 14, 2020 11:23am
Quoting joyny
{quote} Tnx for involvement. Seems we are here only 2 who are dedicated to try this CHEETAH approach? Anyway if you are interested in my EA signals for GBPUSD then you can subscribe to me and become a buddy. Enabled in my TE that you will see pending orders. Turns out that Admiral Markets offer ECN with leverage 1:500! So seems will stay with Admiral Markets for CHEETAH. Meanwhile noticed that yesterday all brokers hit TP for my EA with GBPUSD - I am testing Roboforex, Darwinex and Admiral. In TE is attached Roboforex instance. Hope those signals...
Yeah, maybe others just watching.. That is why I wanted to involve them and decreased the signals, specially while PART2 is (still) in test... But all will be welcome in PART3, to see... But this n=12 will be run once... If I would estimate I would not be able to reach it... then most likely would no lower "n"s in private, unless other will be involved like you of course... So what I am trying to say/show is that I would be much more encouraged to post much more if more would be involved (actively) or at least post now and then that they are tracking it... Would advise to all to take active role in discussion so we can really benefit of the GROUP TRADE...

As for your offer, tnx for letting me see but I will wait while I test mine and also please let me know if you can pull it off in demo/real.. and what is the occurrence...
would like to see those TP and SL levels in practice, specially the later due to stop-outs...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #289
  • Jan 14, 2020 11:34am Jan 14, 2020 11:34am
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} Yeah, maybe others just watching.. That is why I wanted to involve them and decreased the signals, specially while PART2 is (still) in test... But all will be welcome in PART3, to see... But this n=12 will be run once... If I would estimate I would not be able to reach it... then most likely would no lower "n"s in private, unless other will be involved like you of course... So what I am trying to say/show is that I would be much more encouraged to post much more if more would be involved (actively) or at least post now and then that they...
im definitely on mate, just don't have much to contribute
  • #290
  • Jan 14, 2020 11:37am Jan 14, 2020 11:37am
Quoting inuit
{quote} im definitely on mate, just don't have much to contribute
Tnx. Why don't you try? You could do either thing... Test, stat analyse, give some ideas.. Anything helps... I also wants to tell @joyny that it would be good to
add "randomised" trading so that we can compare the ALPHA over "random" entry... We could also add trading from other members so that we can compare and that we have the picture... Everyone can contribute in its own way... Even if only viewing the thread as often as possible to keep it alive
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #291
  • Jan 15, 2020 12:41pm Jan 15, 2020 12:41pm
Gold seem to offer some excellent opportunity... You already have my (current) direction prediction (UP), now you have to find the ENTRY and wait for 100%/trade...
WTI also provides some GOOD opportunities.... Same as in gold, you already have my (current) (DOWN) direction prediction, now you have to find the ENTRY and wait for 100%/trade...

Where are you guys, you at least trying or you wait for signals and/or this PART3 (n=12 goal) that is planned to be live?
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #292
  • Jan 15, 2020 5:08pm Jan 15, 2020 5:08pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} I would advise you first read the full thread, if you would like to interact with me, ForestX or anyone, just post here so that others can see too... If it wasn't answered before, we might help... I hope you do not expect to find some formula There is a lot of "gut" feeling at this one... since as you know... ENTRY has to be precise... some advices/components appear to work some of the time but there are no guarantees... Remember, we "only" need 12 100%/trades to get from 250USD to 1mio So yeah, no a walk in the park, but...
Great.. Thank you.
  • #293
  • Jan 16, 2020 1:26am Jan 16, 2020 1:26am
Quoting auricforecas
Where are you guys, you at least trying or you wait for signals and/or this PART3 (n=12 goal) that is planned to be live?
All ok with Admiral Markets demo account - it does not expire if have a real account funded. The problem that it cant be attached in TE for some unknown reason - it is MT4 but can't connect. I need to ask help from FF support.

So now I am waiting for GBPUSD setup. First I wait for 1 loose (now are 3 wins in a row). As I trade D1 then I need to wait several days till the right setup will appear.

DJI30 had 2 looses in a row in my EA so the high probability that today will profit. Today red news for USD at 3:30 PM my timezone. If retail sales will be worse than forecasted then USD will go down and will open long with DJI30 in demo account with SL100 and TP150 (5 min after the news released). What do you think?

As here is GOLD thread.. is it ok that I post GBPUSD or DJI30 entry setups here?
  • #294
  • Jan 16, 2020 3:08am Jan 16, 2020 3:08am
Quoting auricforecas
Gold seem to offer some excellent opportunity... You already have my (current) direction prediction (UP), now you have to find the ENTRY and wait for 100%/trade... WTI also provides some GOOD opportunities.... Same as in gold, you already have my (current) (DOWN) direction prediction, now you have to find the ENTRY and wait for 100%/trade... Where are you guys, you at least trying or you wait for signals and/or this PART3 (n=12 goal) that is planned to be live?
Waitng for Gold to show any signature of upmovement. Already bounced of weekly support 1
MM
  • #295
  • Jan 16, 2020 12:16pm Jan 16, 2020 12:16pm
Quoting joyny
{quote} All ok with Admiral Markets demo account - it does not expire if have a real account funded. The problem that it cant be attached in TE for some unknown reason - it is MT4 but can't connect. I need to ask help from FF support. So now I am waiting for GBPUSD setup. First I wait for 1 loose (now are 3 wins in a row). As I trade D1 then I need to wait several days till the right setup will appear. DJI30 had 2 looses in a row in my EA so the high probability that today will profit. Today red news for USD at 3:30 PM my timezone. If retail sales...
Well man, as long as you post something useful or good for stat, for the purpose of CHEETAH, I think no-one would mind which market really If it goes too south at GBPUSD trials, maybe you could post just summary.. If it goes good, then of course as much as you can/want since everyone waiting for the next signal

But yeah, ideally it would be to post something from METALS or ENERGY... I myself will try to post about WTI (Energy) and Gold (Metals)...
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #296
  • Jan 16, 2020 12:17pm Jan 16, 2020 12:17pm
Quoting Mwangi
{quote} Waitng for Gold to show any signature of upmovement. Already bounced of weekly support 1
What price difference do you aim for? Because for cheetah strategy "3" would be enough since that would mean 100%/trade at 500:1 max-in See example attached TradeExplorers at the top of this thread.
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #297
  • Jan 16, 2020 1:28pm Jan 16, 2020 1:28pm
Anyone observing the right WTI SELL opportunity/entry? Remember you only need to be .12 price difference right (within small margin of error known as stop-out level) to get 100%/trade...

Watch the WTI!
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #298
  • Jan 16, 2020 1:34pm Jan 16, 2020 1:34pm
Quoting auricforecas
Anyone observing the right WTI SELL opportunity/entry? Remember you only need to be .12 price difference right (within small margin of error known as stop-out level) to get 100%/trade... Watch the WTI!
Inserted Video
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #299
  • Jan 16, 2020 1:46pm Jan 16, 2020 1:46pm
Quoting auricforecas
{quote} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iyr74Rs6BWU
I'm in the TRADE, check latest snapshot attached... 50%+ profit on this trade already... will pull out at 100% most probably... This one really good!
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: Screen Shot 2020-01-16 at 20.45.12.png Size: 94 KB
Can you afford to take that chance?
  • #300
  • Jan 16, 2020 1:49pm Jan 16, 2020 1:49pm
When the opportunity STRIKEs.. you have to be THERE as "BEING THERE"... Anyone here received this what is actually going on right now, LIVE?
I im in a TRADE! Posted snapshot in previous/above post! Anyone got it? Man..
Can you afford to take that chance?
1 trader viewing now