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  • #2,261
  • Edited 11:06pm Jul 10, 2022 10:54pm | Edited 11:06pm
Quoting BWilliam
Hi ryuryu, all traders have our own beliefs. I wrote I understand you, what you wrote and why you wrote them. I don't have issue with what you wrote. Perhaps other members may have issue but I don't have. I mind my own business. You wrote you believe in math. If I remember correctly I wrote I believe in algo math years ago, fact is I trade guided by this math and nothing else. People take issue with this algo math thing. I have not shown anything about it and I don't intend to, so I understand. You believe in common sense, so do I. I see you measure...
Volume delta is just the difference between buys and sells. Nothing more.
It is not a secret sauce or holy grail. There is nothing to believe in. Just a formula.

And I never said that to be successful in trading you have to use volume data. I said, that to be successful using drawing tools is not enough. Also I said that drawing lines on the historical charts using the information that was not available at the moment of the mark is cheating. All these clowns here explain their incredibly profitable entries using non-existent data.

Also I said, that OHCL data is free, hundreds of drawing tools are free, but trading volume (orderflow) and orderbook data are the only data forex brokers are hiding from us. There are no such an information available for retail trader to analyze. That seems to me "strange".
Observer effect
  • #2,262
  • Jul 10, 2022 11:14pm Jul 10, 2022 11:14pm
There are some paid drawing tools too. You just don't appreciate Picasso, Leonardo, etc.
  • #2,263
  • Jul 10, 2022 11:19pm Jul 10, 2022 11:19pm
Quoting BWilliam
This is how they look on the 5m chart. It looks better on the 5m chart than the 1m chart that's too zoomed in. Reminder - the question is "at what point do you know...?" Ok, I don't want to turn this into a signal service. And it takes time to type the posts. I show you guys what I see and how I see the market every trading day, starting from 1hr to Frankfurt open. And remember to try figure out where does the market close today - above or below dol. Again "at what point do you know." Trade well everyone. {image} {image}

lets look at my indicator and delta volume ?
theres must be some confluence and confirmation.

But, at what point I know ? that i dont know ?
  • #2,264
  • Edited 11:38pm Jul 10, 2022 11:25pm | Edited 11:38pm
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} Volume delta is just the difference between buys and sells. Nothing more. It is not a secret sauce or holy grail. There is nothing to believe in. Just a formula. And I never said that to be successful in trading you have to use volume data. I said, that to be successful using drawing tools is not enough. Also I said that drawing lines on the historical charts using the information that was not available at the moment of the mark is cheating. All these clowns here explain their incredibly profitable entries using non-existent data. Also I...
TARGET, TARGET, TARGET
only TWO TARGET above and below on daily basis for day trader
and need just one trade a day

WHICH TARGET ? (BW already give right and complete clue AND George already give PRICE FILTER and GRINDING filter (probability rule).

also George already give complete orderflow/orderbook of market maker as fractal structure on charts that resides above and below ALL swing high and swing low in ALL timeframe as liquidity pools AND as HORIZONTAL LINES

HORIZONTAL LINES itself IS ORDER-FLOW MICRO AND MACRO STRUCTURE, and MoodyBot and Time Tell always tell us on their post AT ALL TIME

and please adding best lesson about delta volume here RyuRyu, if I may ask brothas

lets joint Flying Dutchman gang
and brainstorming on the deck with THEM

time is ticking
boom ...boom
  • #2,265
  • Jul 10, 2022 11:37pm Jul 10, 2022 11:37pm
Quoting deanyakobs
{quote} TARGET, TARGET, TARGET only TWO TARGET above and below on daily basis for day trader and need just one trade a day WHICH TARGET ? (BW already give right and complete clue AND George already give PRICE FILTER and GRINDING filter (probability rule). and George already give complete orderflow/orderbook of market maker as fractal structure on charts that resides above and below ALL swing high and swing low in ALL timeframe as liquidity pools AND as HORIZONTAL LINES HORIZONTAL LINES itself IS ORDER-FLOW MICRO AND MACRO STRUCTURE, and MoodyBot...
Good Morning Dean
if possible can u please give pic explanation
  • #2,266
  • Jul 10, 2022 11:42pm Jul 10, 2022 11:42pm
Quoting venkatredy
{quote} Good Morning Dean if possible can u please give pic explanation
Just focus on hourly, 4 hour target, dol, wol, H/L OF THE DAY AND WEEK.
Choose nearest target first.

the target depend on what trade style we choose ofc, intraday, or intraweek as BW said

And sir BWilliam already give the charts today in real time
Lets focus on THIRD DEGREE thingking and PLAY the player like Algo Math code.

And please follow no one, but at the same time
just follow between the line
for the best common sense for you mate

Thats the main point. Maybe
  • #2,267
  • Edited Jul 11, 2022 12:49am Jul 10, 2022 11:59pm | Edited Jul 11, 2022 12:49am
Quoting ryuryu
And I never said that to be successful in trading you have to use volume data.
Nice, we now know you are misquoted.

Quoting ryuryu
I said, that to be successful using drawing tools is not enough.
As an algo math trader, I can agree with you. Like you who use your indicators and delta flip, I do use many other stuff that I don't talk about on forums.

But that doesn't mean that others can't trade without them. There are traders like Vic Sperando, Tom, redsworld and many others who trade drawing lines. I don't know, I don't have any idea how they do that. I find trade on lines alone is incomplete, I have a million questions about the market I want to know. People say it's all in the OHLC candles is all you need. I'm no genius and I can't read those things I want to know from OHLC alone. I have no idea about candle patterns. And no idea about the many other stuff that people talk about.

I wrote on this thread why OHLC, especially close line(ridiculous since it hasn't happened yet) and open line is important. I have given many examples. If people investigate more into open lines, there's more to it.(Problem is people don't read carefully, read things I did not write and stop seeing for themselves or stop thinking. I have to write everything to the last dot which I won't do. The answer to a lot of questions you ask is found in the open/Close line. You read wrong and you stop thinking.)

I'm more like you, measuring distance, check volume delta(I use proxy tool) because I believe in objectively quantified strategy. Objectively quantified means the rules can be coded - OHLC are objectively quantified variables. But there are discretionary real time decision I make for entry. Entry is the hardest to code for me because I have not yet figured out how to quantify the variables. That's why I trade manually. How I wish I can create a bot to trade exactly like me. Perhaps it can be done but I can't yet. I spent time to solve the more important matters.

Ryuryu, the thing I don't do is to tell others what they can or cannot do. It's none of my business.

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About "cheating" with non available information, I think you wrote that about a year ago. I understand what you mean by "cheating". I also understand why you call out this "cheating" but I won't use that word. Tbh I didn't check and I have no reason to. Traders who are interested can check out themselves, it's a common thing that veteran traders should know about. Especially if the trader is a coder and he require specific definition to code.

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I also understand why you point out why not 2 or 3 or 4.....and so on on the chart that have not appeared yet. Good that you point that out. Every trader face this same problem and they can't deny or avoid it. They have to answer this question you posed. That's trading. And I repeat I can't tell with lines and OHLC candles alone. That's me. Perhaps others can.

Try writing codes and this 2,3,4 points that ryuryu talk about will appear. You need clear definition with available data.

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As to why FX volume data is not available, GEfx and Triphod wrote posts to explain why.

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Ryuryu, I spent 8years dedicated research work partly looking for answers to the questions you posed. I know I'm not the smartest. Do I have answers to your questions? Yes and I want the answers on my phone, that's my requirement. But I don't post these stuff on forum.

Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #2,268
  • Jul 11, 2022 12:42am Jul 11, 2022 12:42am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote}
Also I said that drawing lines on the historical charts using the information that was not available at the moment of the mark is cheating.

ryu, is possible to post here just one example please of not available at the time, this can be very interesting for everybody
  • #2,269
  • Jul 11, 2022 1:05am Jul 11, 2022 1:05am
Hi All,

PFH maybe forming on USD/JPY and GBP/JPY. Lets see what London session tells us.
  • #2,270
  • Jul 11, 2022 1:18am Jul 11, 2022 1:18am
Quoting deanyakobs
{quote} Just focus on hourly, 4 hour target, dol, wol, H/L OF THE DAY AND WEEK. Choose nearest target first. the target depend on what trade style we choose ofc, intraday, or intraweek as BW said And sir BWilliam already give the charts today in real time Lets focus on THIRD DEGREE thingking and PLAY the player like Algo Math code. And please follow no one, but at the same time just follow between the line for the best common sense for you mate Thats the main point. Maybe
Good Morning To All members of Flying Dutchman
Do George target theory work on option trading as option trading needs momentum
  • #2,271
  • Jul 11, 2022 2:15am Jul 11, 2022 2:15am
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} ryu, is possible to post here just one example please of not available at the time, this can be very interesting for everybody
Pete

He still thinks the target lines are drawn as price is moving.

He hasn't worked out that he target lines are drawn from the previous move on a fractal.

Just don't tell him.
  • #2,272
  • Jul 11, 2022 2:21am Jul 11, 2022 2:21am
Quoting moodybot
{quote}
Pete He still thinks the target lines are drawn as price is moving. He hasn't worked out that he target lines are drawn from the previous move on a fractal. Just don't tell him.

Hi Andy, well that is why it's best for ryu to post up his example that he remembered from his last post on here.
He may be correct, it will be interesting, for all, to see what ryu has to show his claim.
  • #2,273
  • Edited 2:57am Jul 11, 2022 2:29am | Edited 2:57am
Quoting whitesta
Hi All, PFH maybe forming on USD/JPY and GBP/JPY. Lets see what London session tells us.
Hi whitesta, I wrote this weekend to watch MSpro traders who will make a decision.
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...7#post14060457

G$ has fallen one way and GY is now trading slightly below dol(GY - watch last week wol, above or below?). Do you expect that to happen in Asia session? If the trader doesn't know this will happen going into London session then what's the indicators and technical analysis for?

I asked you to watch live market so that you realise how little you know where this market is heading in the future. How MSpro traders trick you.

Now that you see what happened on the left side of the chart, I asked earlier which do you prefer, short G$ or long GY, what's your answer now that you know? What does it take to know in live market early Asia session before this happen ?

Do you have a better idea now London session what MSpro traders intent?
G$ or GY clearer?
What's the likelihood you get tricked again?


Keep watching and keep asking "at what point do you know something before it happens" .We learn about what we know and what we don't know watching real time live market, not static history charts. No one can give it to you. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #2,274
  • Jul 11, 2022 3:11am Jul 11, 2022 3:11am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi whitesta, I wrote this weekend to watch MS Pro traders who will make a decision. https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...7#post14060457 G$ has fallen one way and GY is now trading slightly below dol(GY - watch last week wol, above or below?). Do you expect that to happen in Asia session? If the trader doesn't know this will happen going into London session then what's the indicators and technical analysis for? I asked you to watch live market so that you realise how little you know where this market is heading in the...
Feels like I got taken out by the MS pro or whoever. The asian session drift took out the high then positioned to either continue up or break down. Got myself taken out at break even while taken away from the screen while at 25pips. Took second entry closed for 16p. Scalping this Gy down move aint easy today. Grinding down. That's it until pre NY for me.
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  • #2,275
  • Jul 11, 2022 3:20am Jul 11, 2022 3:20am
Quoting whitesta
Hi All, PFH maybe forming on USD/JPY and GBP/JPY. Lets see what London session tells us.
Hi whitesta, here's the thing. Buy in the buy hemisphere and sell in the sell hemisphere.

Anytime today,
Do you plan to buy G$ or GY?
Do you plan to sell G$ or GY?

If you have 50pips profit target in mind.
What's the difference, if any?
(the key word is plan to that denotes future)

These are the type of questions you ask. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #2,276
  • Jul 11, 2022 3:24am Jul 11, 2022 3:24am
Quoting ryuryu
{quote} ... Also I said, that OHCL data is free, hundreds of drawing tools are free, but trading volume (orderflow) and orderbook data are the only data forex brokers are hiding from us. There are no such an information available for retail trader to analyze. That seems to me "strange".
It is strange if all is above board. Do the brokers even know? They are in reality dependent on liquidity providers.
  • #2,277
  • Jul 11, 2022 3:34am Jul 11, 2022 3:34am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi whitesta, I wrote this weekend to watch MSpro traders who will make a decision. https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...7#post14060457 G$ has fallen one way and GY is now trading slightly below dol(GY - watch last week wol, above or below?). Do you expect that to happen in Asia session? If the trader doesn't know this will happen going into London session then what's the indicators and technical analysis for? I asked you to watch live market so that you realise how little you know where this market is heading in the...
Hi BWilliam,

Thanks for the information. I won't say that i have fully understood or know at the moment the market mechanism. In hindsight now GBP/USD was a good sell for around 60 or 70 pips if taken after price went below the DOL during Tokyo session. For GBP/JPY on my chart the price has been above DOL for the whole day thus far. I saw PFH and looked to short as shown on the chart. Honestly i am still reading your reply and trying to extract as much as i can. Just not getting through yet. A bit frustrated cos just not seeing or understanding what you are trying to show. Appreciate your guidance, i am just not having that aaahhh moment yet.

Regards
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  • #2,278
  • Jul 11, 2022 3:38am Jul 11, 2022 3:38am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote}
Buy in the buy hemisphere and sell in the sell hemisphere. Anytime today

This is very good information Jason.

Knowing beforehand is still my lessons to be learned.

At present to get a trade on with the Highest Probability is still the best plan for me in learning stages.

Sell entry was a usual setup, late this afternoon

No data needed at all but OHLC ,
ALL exit Targets known well in advance prior to opening trade, final exit still may be what suits individual trader best. We still learn.

To me this is the same Mechanics & same Market behaviour we see most days. Just what time of day we will use it to trade, is what varies for myself.

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  • #2,279
  • Edited 3:53am Jul 11, 2022 3:42am | Edited 3:53am
Quoting whitesta
{quote} Hi BWilliam, Thanks for the information. I won't say that i have fully understood or know at the moment the market mechanism. In hindsight now GBP/USD was a good sell for around 60 or 70 pips if taken after price went below the DOL during Tokyo session. For GBP/JPY on my chart the price has been above DOL for the whole day thus far. I saw PFH and looked to short as shown on the chart. Honestly i am still reading your reply and trying to extract as much as i can. Just not getting through yet. A bit frustrated cos just not seeing or understanding...
Hi whitesta, your GY sell trade mark by the arrow is good for 50pips. But it's the difficult trade to take with lots of waiting and fighting buyers volatility. You take this type of difficult trade when there's no easy trade during your trading session.

Mixbags G$ sell trade Asia session is the easy sell trade that went one way to 50pips. No waiting time. That's the difference that I try to point out. Practise to recognise the difference between the easy and difficult trade. Always take the easy trade.

Lastly, FocusWinReal took the GY easy sell trade. But it won't yield 50pips. Cheers
Know what you trade
  • #2,280
  • Jul 11, 2022 3:56am Jul 11, 2022 3:56am
Quoting BWilliam
{quote} Hi whitesta, your GY sell trade mark by the arrow is good for 50pips. But it's the difficult trade to take with lots of waiting and fighting buyers volatility. You take this type of difficult trade when there's no easy trade during your trading session. Mixbags G$ sell trade Asia session is the easy sell trade that went one way to 50pips. No waiting time. That's the difference that I try to point out. Practise to recognise the difference between the easy and difficult trade. Always take the easy trade. Lastly, FocusWinReal took the GY easy...
Hi BWilliam,


Could you please elaborate on why GBP/USD trade that Mixedbag was a good one. I mean GBY/JPY had broken Fridays high and then there was rejection before the price fell. As for GBPUSD just had the RN rejection. Was it the clue that price would go down or there were some other signs. Any input will be much appreciated.

Regards
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