ADP: US National Employment Report: Private Sector Employment Shed 32,000 Jobs in September; Annual Pay was Up 4.5% | Metals Mine

  • ADP: US National Employment Report: Private Sector Employment Shed 32,000 Jobs in September; Annual Pay was Up 4.5%

    From prnewswire.com

    Private sector employment shed 32,000 jobs in September and pay was up 4.5 percent year-over-year according to the September ADP National Employment Report® produced by ADP Research in collaboration with the Stanford Digital Economy Lab ("Stanford Lab"). The ADP National Employment Report is an independent measure of the labor market based on the anonymized weekly payroll data of more than 26 million private-sector employees in the United States. ADP's Pay Insights captures nearly 14.8 million individual pay change observations each month. Together, the jobs report and pay insights use ADP's fine-grained data to ... (full story)

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  • Private payrolls declined in September by 32,000 in key ADP report coming amid shutdown data blackout

    From cnbc.com

    Private payrolls saw their biggest decline in two-and-a-half years during September, a further sign of labor market weakening that compounds the data blackout accompanying the U.S. government shutdown. Companies shed a seasonally adjusted 32,000 jobs during the month, the biggest slide since March 2023, payrolls processing firm ADP reported Wednesday. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones had been looking for an increase of 45,000. In addition to the drop in September, the August payrolls number was revised to a loss of 3,000 from an initially reported increase of 54,000. The report comes as the funding impasse in ... (full story)

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ntrpy
Oct 1, 2025 7:45am
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ADP - A Decisive Miss That Vindicates "Weakening" Thesis
ADP report was a significant downside surprise, showing a loss of -32,000 jobs against a consensus expectation of a +52,000 gain. Critically, the prior month's print was also revised down from +54,000 to a contraction of -3,000. This is the first major piece of "hard" labour data this week, and it decisively validates the story told by yesterday's "soft" data (JOLTS quit rate, Consumer Confidence). It directly challenges the "resilience" narrative built on last week's strong backward-looking GDP and spending data and confirms, as ADP's chief economist stated, that "employers have been cautious with hiring."

Implications for my Strategic Views - Stagflation Strengthens, Soft Landing Weakens
- Moderate Stagflation:
This report significantly strengthens my base case. The "weakening labour market" is a core tenet of this scenario, and a negative print, combined with downward revisions, is a major step in that direction.

- Soft Landing:
The probability of a soft landing is materially diminished by ADP print. A soft landing requires a gradual, controlled cooling of the labour market, not an outright contraction. This report suggests the slowdown may be happening faster and more abruptly than a soft landing scenario would allow.

- Hard Landing:
The risk of a "growth collapse" scenario has increased. While not a collapse in itself, a negative print well below consensus raises the probability of a non-linear deterioration in the labour market going forward.

Implications for the Fed - A Green Light for Easing
Data provides powerful ammunition for the dovish wing of the FOMC. It directly validates their recent pivot and their stated concerns about "risks to employment." Following yesterday's weak confidence data, this report makes it very difficult for any remaining hawks to argue for a pause in the easing cycle. This print solidifies market expectations for a 25bps cut in October & December, and will likely increase bets on a deeper cutting cycle into 2026.

The focus would normally now shift to Friday's NFP report to either confirm or deny this sudden loss of momentum, however with the Government shutdown in effect - this hard data may now become critical for market pricing, as evidence by the slight increase of a double cut in December before year end (below).
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Nordling
Oct 1, 2025 7:18am
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Labor market is cooling fast, markets will price in more rate cuts since FED is more focused on the labor market.

Early to say that is a recession
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Abouelzelouf
Oct 1, 2025 7:23am
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LightchaserG
Oct 1, 2025 7:41am
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Change in U.S. Private Employment : -32,000
Change by Industry

- Goods-producing: -3,000
Natural resources/mining 4,000
Construction -5,000
Manufacturing -2,000

- Service-providing: -28,000
Trade/transportation/utilities -7,000
Information 3,000
Financial activities -9,000
Professional/business services -13,000
Education/health services 33,000
Leisure/hospitality -19,000
Other services -16,000
Change by U.S. Regions

- Northeast: 21,000
New England 2,000
Mid-Atlantic 19,000

- Midwest: -63,000
East North Central -67,000
West North Central 4,000

- South: 3,000
South Atlantic 5,000
East South Central -18,000
West South Central 16,000

- West: 15,000
Mountain -6,000
Pacific 21,000
Change by Establishment Size

- Small establishments: -40,000
1-19 employees -19,000
20-49 employees -21,000

- Medium establishments: -20,000
50-249 employees -11,000
250-499 employees -9,000
- Large establishments: 33,000

500+ employees 33,000


WOW!!!!
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fx6996
Oct 1, 2025 7:47am
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Quoting MaverickCT
This is very interesting, Pay is up 4.5 % which is 50% above the inflation rate of 2.9% and yet there are 32K job losses in mainly the services sector - Anybody have a reasonable explanation
SIMPLE: During and for the year after Covid employers a difficult time finding employees; some left the workplace for good, others died but from 2020-2021 hiring was tough. We kept more employees than necessary because they we in demand

Since then wages for employees kept rising so prices were raised until 2025 - prices couldn't be raised any more - consumer push back

Now 2025 - Businesses have to increase the pay of key people but are using AI to "fill the gaps" to become more productive - hence less hiring or simply waiting for people to retire/leave and not fill their position.
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jordanvic
Oct 1, 2025 7:23am
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Random Number Generator
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PeaceOfSlime
Oct 1, 2025 7:25am
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Hey US!!! pick up your dollar!! it's on the floor!!!
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Trader#58A7
Oct 1, 2025 7:27am
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Quoting Trader#8B15
{quote} Hahaha... look, they were hiding it until they could. The situation is so bad that they can't hide it any further. Also, inflation rate isn't fuc'ing 2% - 3%. Another lie that will be revealed eventually. The economy is rotting under high inflation and there's noone to hike the damn rates.
Real inflation, in the real world, is somewhere in the neighborhood of 5% per month. All anyone has to do is go look at grocery prices, insurance, rent, clothing, services, etc. Maybe large durable goods are inflating at 0.50%/month, so your washing machine and fridge is not skyrocketing per se, but anything you consume quickly is mooning. Equity markets love it, though, and it makes sense.
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Eurorally
Oct 1, 2025 8:21am
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The problem with ADP data, based allegedly on payroll, is that they are frequently wrong to the extent that I am not sure why we continue bothering with them.

On the other note, regarding the tales of the crashing Trump's economy while the data for the past nine month uniformly verify the economy is booming, I will paraphrase Samuel Clemens (aka Mark Twain): "The reports of my demise were highly exaggerated."

Finally, the hopes and beliefs of the left, based merely on their political proclivities and a bias rather than on economic data, are by definition wrong.
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Eurorally
Oct 5, 2025 10:16am
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Quoting Trader#B082
{quote} If you're an employer you want to retain your good, experienced and highly productive employees. Those people are in inflation environment so you need to wage rise to keep them or they can easily walk into new job still. If you lose them you lose experience that will be expensive or impossible to recover. Wages go up. Average or low experience employees you can cut freely because soft labour market means you can just hire those roles back later. Job count goes down.
Inflation environment? Take heart. The annual rate inflation is a low of 2.1% to 2.9% depending on the Index you take. The average annual rate of inflation has been 3.28% over the last 50 years.

The positive low inflation is a good thing as it protects us against the dreaded deflation whereby the prices start dropping uncontrollably, producers and retailers are unable to recover their costs and a wave of bankruptcies ensues.

You need to know that the 2% annual inflation rate target, adopted by our FED and emulated by the central banks world over, is not a result of any scientific economic study but it has been pulled out of the thin air. Thus, it could be 1% or 3% just as well.

So much for the "inflation environment."
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Trader#58A7
Oct 1, 2025 7:18am
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lol @ revision from +50k to -3k in the previous month. Total shitshow.
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LightchaserG
Oct 1, 2025 7:31am
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wow! economy is doing well ("head in the clouds" - TACO)
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Ahmedskaf
Oct 1, 2025 7:27am
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The United States is on its way to hell
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Ahmedskaf
Oct 1, 2025 7:30am
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Buy gold guys, the US is in big trouble
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fx6996
Oct 1, 2025 7:35am
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Quoting PeaceOfSlime
Hey US!!! pick up your dollar!! it's on the floor!!!
And your point is...?
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Polimini
Oct 1, 2025 9:30am
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Trump is making America Less Greater
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longfellow
Oct 1, 2025 8:10am
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Also a loss of 100K government jobs cut by DOGE earlier this year, the deferred "retirement" plan took affect today.
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Momofrmnyc
Oct 1, 2025 8:11am
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We will probably get some weaker NFP this week that'll help solidify the next cut.
MaverickCT
Oct 1, 2025 7:32am
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This is very interesting, Pay is up 4.5 % which is 50% above the inflation rate of 2.9% and yet there are 32K job losses in mainly the services sector - Anybody have a reasonable explanation
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Trader#8B15
Oct 1, 2025 7:21am
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Quoting Trader#58A7
lol @ revision from +50k to -3k in the previous month. Total shitshow.
Hahaha... look, they were hiding it until they could. The situation is so bad that they can't hide it any further.

Also, inflation rate isn't fuc'ing 2% - 3%. Another lie that will be revealed eventually. The economy is rotting under high inflation and there's noone to hike the damn rates.
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isaazzzz
Oct 1, 2025 7:40am
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Quoting Trader#58A7
{quote}Real inflation, in the real world, is somewhere in the neighborhood of 5% per month. All anyone has to do is go look at grocery prices, insurance, rent, clothing, services, etc. Maybe large durable goods are inflating at 0.50%/month, so your washing machine and fridge is not skyrocketing per se, but anything you consume quickly is mooning. Equity markets love it, though, and it makes sense.
yes it is
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HonzaD
Oct 1, 2025 8:22am
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There will be a lot of discussion around this. But the economic data is not one-sided. The labor market is weak, but don't the strong GDP data or the unabated inflation tell us that these employees are not needed in the market to generate sales and profits for companies?
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wstbullies
Oct 1, 2025 7:19am
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wowwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Trader#2FDF
Oct 1, 2025 7:20am
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Good timing for shutting down the clown place hahaha just wait for something to burst hard hohoho
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wstbullies
Oct 1, 2025 7:22am
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GOLDDDDDDDDDDDD$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Trader#695B
Oct 1, 2025 7:26am
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Gold will cross 3900$
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Trader#2F33
Oct 1, 2025 7:28am
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Laude lag gaye
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Trader#0C18
Oct 1, 2025 7:29am
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EVERYTHING GREEN > US DOLLAR RED. Atp its not even worth it for a paper to get printed as US dollar.
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Trader#F254
Oct 1, 2025 7:29am
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Forex trading is going to be fun
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Trader#B5FA
Oct 1, 2025 7:31am
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hahaha
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Trader#0C18
Oct 1, 2025 7:32am
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Did I just short GOLD..... I mean you guys will be my exit liquidity. Don't buy on news, never, wait ATLEAST 1-2 Hours before taking a decision. This is too high up in the leg.
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sundayabilit
Oct 1, 2025 7:32am
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WTF
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Odunscopy
Oct 1, 2025 7:33am
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Best time to enter buy on gold again
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dilipdi
Oct 1, 2025 7:35am
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Meaning of shed...?
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isaazzzz
Oct 1, 2025 7:37am
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Quoting Trader#695B
Gold will cross 3900$
yes deadass. its expected to be at $4000 by december if this nonsense doesnt stop
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Aniekeme53
Oct 1, 2025 7:37am
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Wowwwwwww
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Alexzy
Oct 1, 2025 7:45am
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Quoting Abouelzelouf
{image}
still 17,000ft above sea level
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Trader#8B15
Oct 1, 2025 7:48am
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Quoting LightchaserG
Change in U.S. Private Employment : -32,000 Change by Industry - Goods-producing: -3,000 Natural resources/mining 4,000 Construction -5,000 Manufacturing -2,000 - Service-providing: -28,000 Trade/transportation/utilities -7,000 Information 3,000 Financial activities -9,000 Professional/business services -13,000 Education/health services 33,000 Leisure/hospitality -19,000 Other services -16,000 Change by U.S. Regions - Northeast: 21,000 New England 2,000 Mid-Atlantic 19,000 - Midwest: -63,000 East North Central -67,000 West North Central 4,000 -...
It's actually sad. The Fed has destroyed everything except the very rich coc'suckers and parasites, mega corporations and sold out disgusting creatures called politicians.

This rotten system will... well, collapse. It's only a matter of time...
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Trader#B082
Oct 1, 2025 9:18am
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Quoting MaverickCT
This is very interesting, Pay is up 4.5 % which is 50% above the inflation rate of 2.9% and yet there are 32K job losses in mainly the services sector - Anybody have a reasonable explanation
If you're an employer you want to retain your good, experienced and highly productive employees. Those people are in inflation environment so you need to wage rise to keep them or they can easily walk into new job still. If you lose them you lose experience that will be expensive or impossible to recover. Wages go up.

Average or low experience employees you can cut freely because soft labour market means you can just hire those roles back later. Job count goes down.
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yhwach
Oct 1, 2025 9:59am
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Quoting Trader#876B
Why market pumped ?
it didnt't. both gold and currencies quoted in usd had a push down.
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Trader#9926
Oct 1, 2025 10:30am
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Quoting ntrpy
ADP...
Very very good, as always ntrpy.

Interesting times ahead. The fed doves most certainly have a case, while the hawks may be grimacing a little after this.

NFP will not be out this week if the shutdown is not resolved by then. It may be why the market is reacting to this report, somewhat, unusually for an ADP release.
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Trader#9926
Oct 1, 2025 10:42am
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Quoting fx6996
SIMPLE:.....

Hmmmm, it would appear that it is not, so simple...

"Services" are predominately performed by the OG Actual Intelligence, humanoid types.

Education/health services carrying a lot of load. Most likely as a result of Trump's firings in the gov's critical services ,,,,,,,,,, moving into the private sector.
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Trader#3CE5
Oct 1, 2025 11:02am
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Quoting Trader#9926
{quote} Very very good, as always ntrpy. Interesting times ahead. The fed doves most certainly have a case, while the hawks may be grimacing a little after this. NFP will not be out this week if the shutdown is not resolved by then. It may be why the market is reacting to this report, somewhat, unusually for an ADP release.
is this why dxy didn’t dump?
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Trader#A306
Oct 1, 2025 7:17am
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Fake news: no one works during Shutdown.
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Trader#8B15
Oct 1, 2025 7:18am
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Ups! The "economists" are wrong again.
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Trader#44AE
Oct 1, 2025 7:18am
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Oh lord have mercy haha
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Trader#308B
Oct 1, 2025 7:19am
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this is crazy!!!! this is not good sign for economy.
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Trader#5FFB
Oct 1, 2025 7:19am
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boring day
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Trader#876B
Oct 1, 2025 7:19am
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Why market pumped ?
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Trader#F296
Oct 1, 2025 7:20am
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hi
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Trader#8D06
Oct 1, 2025 7:21am
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This is unbelievable
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Trader#2559
Oct 1, 2025 7:21am
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thats was high impact lol
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Trader#7646
Oct 1, 2025 7:23am
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Ok
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Trader#14FA
Oct 1, 2025 7:25am
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Good news
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Trader#43F4
Oct 1, 2025 7:25am
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Gold
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Trader#8B15
Oct 1, 2025 7:27am
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Hmm... I wonder when was (excluding ConVid) the last negative print...

Oh yeah, it was during GFC! Well, that's nice isn't it?
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Trader#2B19
Oct 1, 2025 7:27am
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:/
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Trader#FC2A
Oct 1, 2025 7:33am
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Buy goldddd
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Trader#DDB9
Oct 1, 2025 7:38am
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Do we buy or sell gold ?
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Trader#B2D7
Oct 1, 2025 7:41am
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Yes buy Hahahahahahha Wrong
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Trader#1FD2
Oct 1, 2025 7:43am
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Stupid why gold down ?!
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Trader#BFC2
Oct 1, 2025 7:44am
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Sell
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Trader#F387
Oct 1, 2025 7:52am
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Trap
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Trader#15C7
Oct 1, 2025 7:52am
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lol the dollar bulls really dont wanna let go
imagine the numbers came in good
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Trader#EA3C
Oct 1, 2025 8:15am
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What's happening?
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Trader#9236
Oct 1, 2025 8:32am
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and what did you expect that when the government is closed and the dollar has been going up all day that it will turn out positively? just manipulation
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Trader#994C
Oct 1, 2025 8:58am
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Gold fall into downside correction. Support level 3720
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Trader#43CF
Oct 1, 2025 9:08am
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Literally nothing can stop equities. Free money again buying the dip, 100% success. I can’t even guess what news would send stocks down, something unimaginable I presume.
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