After Reported "Shouting Match", Zelensky & Trump Agree Battlelines Should Be Frozen Before Final Peace Can Be Brokered | Metals Mine

  • After Reported "Shouting Match", Zelensky & Trump Agree Battlelines Should Be Frozen Before Final Peace Can Be Brokered

    From zerohedge.com

    In what appears to be yet another confirmation of our 'Trump Proximity Theory', The FT reports that after President Trump's lengthy call with Russian President Putin, the American leader urged Volodymyr Zelenskyy to accept Russia’s terms for ending its war in a volatile White House meeting on Friday, warning that Putin had said he would “destroy” Ukraine if it did not agree. The FT further noted that, according to people familiar with the matter, the meeting between the US and Ukrainian presidents descended many times into a “shouting match”, with Trump “cursing all the time." The 'people familiar' ... (full story)

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Vancarbon
Oct 19, 2025 4:00pm
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Quoting Trader#10FF
{quote} It’s honestly amazing how stupid people are here. Even a simple basic education would be nice, but no we just get ludicrously moronic statements that say nothing and mean nothing. The US has zero responsibility to Ukraine. They are not part of NATO, therefore there is no obligation to do anything. The EU is the one in danger from Russia much more so than the US by a large margin. If the EU wants to keep throwing money away on Ukraine, while simultaneously buying Russian oil “secretly” then let them do so. Trump is one of the few anti war...
Moronic statements:

Simple, basic education : ( whatever that means )

The US has no responsibility to Ukraine :

Have you heard of the Budapest memorandum:

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/t...clear-weapons/


I’ll refrain from using derogatory language against your comments . Read the article , educate yourself and then comeback with an educated opinion .
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240z
Oct 19, 2025 3:00pm
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So, if China was to invade California, The USA would just give it up for a peace deal ? Orange Clown King is a coward.
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chemosi
Oct 20, 2025 2:36pm
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Quoting 240z
{quote} a vote held under the bayonet is not a free and fair election !!!!!
You were not there...so you would not have known anything...
First hand information from Crimea is best...
Worst information is anything spewed from mainstream media...
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chemosi
Oct 20, 2025 4:31pm
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Quoting DwnUndrTrdr
{quote} True... "Knowing what you know, and knowing what you don't know, that is true wisdom" from Confucius.
True information is knowing what ethnic Russians in Ukraine know... true wisdom is understanding it...
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DwnUndrTrdr
Oct 19, 2025 9:57pm
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Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} Moronic statements: Simple, basic education : ( whatever that means ) The US has no responsibility to Ukraine : Have you heard of the Budapest memorandum: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/t...clear-weapons/ I’ll refrain from using derogatory language against your comments . Read the article , educate yourself and then comeback with an educated opinion .
C’mon Van, let’s not allow facts to get involved in the discourse.
Dutchy Daxy
Oct 19, 2025 5:29pm — Edited
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Quoting Trader#10FF
{quote} It’s honestly amazing how stupid people are here. Even a simple basic education would be nice, but no we just get ludicrously moronic statements that say nothing and mean nothing. The US has zero responsibility to Ukraine. They are not part of NATO, therefore there is no obligation to do anything. The EU is the one in danger from Russia much more so than the US by a large margin. If the EU wants to keep throwing money away on Ukraine, while simultaneously buying Russian oil “secretly” then let them do so. Trump is one of the few anti war...
So is Israel.

Since the Yom Kippur War in October 1973, when Prime Minister Golda Meir's Israel was taken completely by surprise by its Arab neighbors, the US has further increased its military aid. With US support from President Richard Nixon and his shuttle diplomat Henry Kissinger, Israel has invested billions in its air defenses and the development of cruise missiles.

For the US, Israel is a frontline state in the fight against Islamic terrorism. The country receives more than $3.5 billion annually from the US, aid that is formalized every ten years in a treaty. In this way, the US helps Israel maintain military superiority in the region. No country has received more financial and military aid from the US than Israel since World War II.

The US deficit should be MUCH less if they shouldn't support Isreal.

But the Israelian lobby/support in the US is so big that they can make or break a US president. (left & right)

US is ruled by these black hat long bearded guys
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2be
Oct 20, 2025 5:53am
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After collecting housing benefits and social payments the all knowing keyboard sages/politicians/"traders" are active. It would be so boring without them. Ha ha ha .... who else will post anything ...
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chemosi
Oct 20, 2025 7:11am
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Down memory lane...
"Official results: 97 percent of Crimea voters back joining Russia"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/officia...oining-russia/
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Updated on: March 17, 2014 / 10:23 AM EDT / CBS/AP

SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine -- Ukraine's Crimean peninsula declared itself independent Monday after its residents voted overwhelmingly to secede and join Russia, while the United States and the European Union slapped sanctions against some of those who promoted the divisive referendum.

Ukraine's political turmoil has become Europe's most severe security crisis in years and tensions have been high since Russian troops seized control of Crimea two weeks ago. Large numbers of Russian troops are also massed near the border with Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine, which has sharp political differences with the country's new government in Kiev.

The U.S., EU and Ukraine's new government do not recognize the referendum held Sunday in Crimea, saying it violates both Ukrainian and international norms. Moscow, however, considers the vote legitimate and Russian President Putin was to address both houses of parliament Tuesday on the Crimean situation."
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chemosi
Oct 20, 2025 3:52pm
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Quoting DwnUndrTrdr
{quote} You were also not there, so following logic of your statement , you would not have known anything. Everything else you state is your opinion. I wouldn't place to high a value on Russian media, you tend to fall to your death from a 10th story window if your content isn't deemed compliant.

Following your logic, you also know nothing either...
By now, I wouldn't place any value on mainstream media at all...

"Was The CIA Misleading Witkoff & Kushner On Key Intel About Hamas During Critical Phase Of Peace-Talks"
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...al-phase-peace
"Witkoff reveals how the CIA was briefing them both, multiple times a day, and the briefing itself was exactly the opposite of what Emir of Qatar and Presidents of Turkey and Egypt were telling them. "
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DwnUndrTrdr
Oct 20, 2025 3:47pm
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Quoting chemosi
{quote} You were not there...so you would not have known anything... First hand information from Crimea is best... Worst information is anything spewed from mainstream media...
You were also not there, so following logic of your statement , you would not have known anything.
Everything else you state is your opinion. I wouldn't place to high a value on Russian media, you tend to fall to your death from a 10th story window if your content isn't deemed compliant.
LightchaserG
Oct 20, 2025 1:35am
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Quoting Trader#BB66
{quote} say nothing, mean nothing? to you maybe who clearly has an iq no greater than the average shoe size. who protects the eu if they are attacked? answer that one smart guy i mean dumb russia bot hehe. corrupt dictators reside in non-democratic poo holes like russia and china. you are going to need to a bigger boat with your propaganda machine. you do realize that you are speaking to the noisy minority? who have no influence or control. and are laughed at by the silent majority. pssst you are also being recorded teeehehehe
Well Said!

To further add to it, even with all the above, so-called "King Trump" (Not), didn't put an ounce of pressure on Russia, nothing, he's just a boot licker, keeps on shouting and bullying Zalinsky for Putin. Please.
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Schultz
Oct 21, 2025 3:09am — Edited
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I know nothing. Nothing.

Sgt Schultz - I Know Nothing
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240z
Oct 20, 2025 8:49am
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Quoting chemosi
down memory lane... "official results: 97 percent of crimea voters back joining russia" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/officia...oining-russia/ " updated on: March 17, 2014 / 10:23 am edt / cbs/ap simferopol, ukraine -- ukraine's crimean peninsula declared itself independent monday after its residents voted overwhelmingly to secede and join russia, while the united states and the european union slapped sanctions against some of those who promoted the divisive referendum. Ukraine's political...
a vote held under the bayonet is not a free and fair election !!!!!
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Dutchy Daxy
Oct 22, 2025 8:45pm
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Quoting Dutchy Daxy
{quote} So is Israel. Since the Yom Kippur War in October 1973, when Prime Minister Golda Meir's Israel was taken completely by surprise by its Arab neighbors, the US has further increased its military aid. With US support from President Richard Nixon and his shuttle diplomat Henry Kissinger, Israel has invested billions in its air defenses and the development of cruise missiles. For the US, Israel is a frontline state in the fight against Islamic terrorism. The country receives more than $3.5 billion annually from the US, aid that is formalized...
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Vancarbon
Oct 19, 2025 4:34pm
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Quoting Trader#E041
{quote} Comment on “orange clown king” and a stupid analogy to CA first. Also a memorandum of understanding for a non defined word of “security” signed decades ago by someone else is not even close to the NATO treaty. The US has spent countless billions helping Ukraine for years. However their corrupt dictator has intentionally prolonged the war for his own personal gain. So the US did its duty for a long time, but there’s no requirement to support a corrupt regime. The EU has been unable to save Ukraine because their military might is embarrassing,...
You’re way too smart for me to challenge your narrative . I bow to your linguistic superiority and splay myself at your feet .

I’m unworthy.
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Twocans
Oct 19, 2025 11:29pm
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Quoting Trader#10FF
{quote} It’s honestly amazing how stupid people are here. Even a simple basic education would be nice, but no we just get ludicrously moronic statements that say nothing and mean nothing. The US has zero responsibility to Ukraine. They are not part of NATO, therefore there is no obligation to do anything. The EU is the one in danger from Russia much more so than the US by a large margin. If the EU wants to keep throwing money away on Ukraine, while simultaneously buying Russian oil “secretly” then let them do so. Trump is one of the few anti war...
'Z' didn't wear his pajama fatigues to the White House. That's a clue. BTW.. WATCHING EUR/USD this morning. Its been in a narrow contraction range this mornings which is the first phase, next is an expansion of that range over the last couple of hours and then a maybe a breakout either way. I lean toward it going back up to take out short stops and then break later below the current contraction around 1.165ish area prior the "London Session Fake Out".
DwnUndrTrdr
Oct 20, 2025 4:18pm
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Quoting chemosi
{quote} Following your logic, you also know nothing either... By now, I wouldn't place any value on mainstream media at all... "Was The CIA Misleading Witkoff & Kushner On Key Intel About Hamas During Critical Phase Of Peace-Talks" https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...al-phase-peace "Witkoff reveals how the CIA was briefing them both, multiple times a day, and the briefing itself was exactly the opposite of what Emir of Qatar and Presidents...
True...
"Knowing what you know, and knowing what you don't know, that is true wisdom" from Confucius.
doodooltalai
Oct 20, 2025 2:32am
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all these losers living with their moms, commenting against trump. lol.
Twocans
Oct 20, 2025 12:49pm
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If anyone cares EUR/USD is hanging on by thread over a drop zone. Just say'n...
Trader#10FF
Oct 19, 2025 3:38pm
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Quoting 240z
So, if China was to invade California, The USA would just give it up for a peace deal ? Orange Clown King is a coward.
It’s honestly amazing how stupid people are here. Even a simple basic education would be nice, but no we just get ludicrously moronic statements that say nothing and mean nothing.

The US has zero responsibility to Ukraine. They are not part of NATO, therefore there is no obligation to do anything. The EU is the one in danger from Russia much more so than the US by a large margin.

If the EU wants to keep throwing money away on Ukraine, while simultaneously buying Russian oil “secretly” then let them do so. Trump is one of the few anti war politicians. He wants an end to the war, and he knows Russia won’t just give up the area it’s taken.

The corrupt dictator of Ukraine that refuses to give up power or hold elections just wants to keep getting rich off other people’s money pouring into the country. He doesn’t want the war to end because then he has to give up power and money. Trump keeps trying to get him to accept reality.
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Trader#BB66
Oct 19, 2025 3:42pm
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Quoting Trader#615D
{quote} Are you 5 years old? Just speak plain English and get your thoughts across
don't get up on a roof and try pick me off now. psychopathic misanthrope. my thoughts are you need anger management therapy. buy it now
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240z
Oct 20, 2025 1:28am
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The US has zero responsibility to Ukraine. They are not part of NATO, therefore there is no obligation to do anything.
READ THIS PUTIN MOUTHPIECE
Ukraine gave up the world's third-largest nuclear arsenal under the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances, signed on December 5, 1994, in exchange for security assurances of its sovereignty and territorial integrity from the United States, the United Kingdom, and the Russian Federation.
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Trader#BB66
Oct 19, 2025 3:14pm
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looking to secure some nobel carrots for the next wabbit season? no duck season!
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Trader#615D
Oct 19, 2025 3:24pm
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Quoting Trader#BB66
looking to secure some nobel carrots for the next wabbit season? no duck season!
Are you 5 years old? Just speak plain English and get your thoughts across
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Trader#BB66
Oct 19, 2025 4:01pm
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Quoting Trader#10FF
... dumb russian bot...
say nothing, mean nothing? to you maybe who clearly has an iq no greater than the average shoe size. who protects the eu if they are attacked? answer that one smart guy i mean dumb russia bot hehe. corrupt dictators reside in non-democratic poo holes like russia and china. you are going to need to a bigger boat with your propaganda machine. you do realize that you are speaking to the noisy minority? who have no influence or control. and are laughed at by the silent majority. pssst you are also being recorded teeehehehe
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Trader#E041
Oct 19, 2025 4:15pm
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Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} Moronic statements: Simple, basic education : ( whatever that means ) The US has no responsibility to Ukraine : Have you heard of the Budapest memorandum: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/t...clear-weapons/ I’ll refrain from using derogatory language against your comments . Read the article , educate yourself and then comeback with an educated opinion .
Comment on “orange clown king” and a stupid analogy to CA first.

Also a memorandum of understanding for a non defined word of “security” signed decades ago by someone else is not even close to the NATO treaty. The US has spent countless billions helping Ukraine for years. However their corrupt dictator has intentionally prolonged the war for his own personal gain. So the US did its duty for a long time, but there’s no requirement to support a corrupt regime.

The EU has been unable to save Ukraine because their military might is embarrassing, that’s why Germany finally decided to spend a few dollars on it. So they beg the US on their knees for help while simultaneously buying Russian oil. But your post goes out of its way to defend the first comment here. Maybe go back to saying fight the fed and fight the fed, you know, the thing you have said everyday for 5 months. Or did you forget that already in your old age? Dementia is a terrible disease, I feel bad for you.
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Trader#C087
Oct 20, 2025 12:46am
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Agent Krasnov remains loyal to his master.
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Trader#8DF5
Oct 20, 2025 12:59am
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Quoting Trader#10FF
{quote} It’s honestly amazing how stupid people are here. Even a simple basic education would be nice, but no we just get ludicrously moronic statements that say nothing and mean nothing. The US has zero responsibility to Ukraine. They are not part of NATO, therefore there is no obligation to do anything. The EU is the one in danger from Russia much more so than the US by a large margin. If the EU wants to keep throwing money away on Ukraine, while simultaneously buying Russian oil “secretly” then let them do so. Trump is one of the few anti war...
Well, alot of things here is wrong.

First: If Russia wins this war, the principle of soverign state is broken. That's NOT great for the world peace, which is NOT good for USA, who is the only country in the world that has military interest worldwide.

second: agree on the part about russian oil, though it is not a "secret" as you state. They talk about it openly.

third: Zelenkij cannot call an election according to the constitution.
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