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  • #50,381
  • Jul 19, 2025 5:35am Jul 19, 2025 5:35am
Navk must be missing out on attention in the real world to need to spam the thread. Poor guy.
  • #50,382
  • Jul 19, 2025 5:51am Jul 19, 2025 5:51am
Quoting navk
{quote} Tell me if anyone of my post is not related to trading. Just point out to me. I am ready to delete. At the same time, this post of yours is not related to trading and so you must delete I guess you are new, so my advice. In general, I advice to all to post in line with Code of conduct of FF.
It doesn't stop it being spam just because you have a tenuous link to your fictional trading adventures.

I could do 20 quick posts in a row talking about my demo account - it'd be spam by volume.

Look how many people are reacting to your spam. Read the room, attention seeker.
  • #50,383
  • Jul 19, 2025 6:00am Jul 19, 2025 6:00am
Quoting PropDude1234
{quote}Look how many people are reacting to your spam. Read the room, attention seeker.
All of them are losers.

A real good trader will just focus on trading instead of responding like yours.
Intraday only.
  • #50,384
  • Jul 19, 2025 6:04am Jul 19, 2025 6:04am
Quoting navk
{quote} Tell me if anyone of my post is not related to trading. Just point out to me. I am ready to delete. At the same time, this post of yours is not related to trading and so you must delete I guess you are new, so my advice. In general, I advice to all to post in line with Code of conduct of FF.
It doesn't stop it being spam just because you have a tenuous link to your fictional trading adventures.

I could do 20 quick posts in a row talking about my demo account - it'd be spam by volume.

Look how many people are reacting to your spam. Read the room, attention seeker.

Quoting navk
{quote} All of them are losers. A real good trader will just focus on trading instead of responding like yours.
Physician, heal thyself!
  • #50,385
  • Jul 19, 2025 7:33am Jul 19, 2025 7:33am
Quoting navk
{quote} All of them are losers. A real good trader will just focus on trading instead of responding like yours.
Actually, most in here (especially the ones who have been here awhile) are winners and getting paid from these firms.
Some of us were winners in forex props as well and switched to futures after the MFF mess and the ensuing effect on the this space.
Once again, your are only getting responses to call out your bullshit, everyone sees it.
The problem with lying is the liar often forgets what he/she has already lied about. Here's a little recap:
About 25 days ago, you started spamming this theory of personal is better than prop, just need 20 pips per day.
You spammed the thread multiple times per day saying see, see, see, look at me, 20 pips, don't need a stop.
You then were absent for over a week....you must have decided not top post anymore? highly unlikely.
The accounts were blown and we all know it. This is the real reason you were gone for a week. Since you only trade GU, most of us can probably determine the day it happened.
Yesterday you started over and posted 1 day of results and refused to post the original account despite me doing what you asked and posting my Tradeify account.
I think you owe every member of this thread a written apology.
  • #50,386
  • Jul 19, 2025 7:50am Jul 19, 2025 7:50am
I'm a neutral party fwiw and I think there's actually a very simple way you guys can sort this out once and for all. Have a trading contest!

1. Both of you create demo accounts. Navk with say, USD 1000. Pipmaster77 with say, USD 50,000. Numbers arbitary, can be adjusted. For instance, Pipmaster77's account can be such that maximum drawdown=1000. I am neither a fan nor a foe of prop firm accounts; haven't been following for a long time so I have no idea about how the sizing are now.

Since it is demo accounts, no one can say he doesn't have spare money. Also, to counter the potential excuse of "I don't have extra time to waste", there is no time wastage as these demo accounts can just copy trades from the main accounts that I am certain Navk and Pipmaster77, being real traders, trade.

As for whether they choose to make the demo accounts public, they can talk about it. If they do not want others copying their trades, they can load up the demo accounts to their trade explorers and have a third party confirm all is in order (and also capture screenshots of account numbers, start dates, vital information). Both parties will publish their results after agreed upon duration.

2. Navk will trade his account with no SL etc etc, ie as he wish.

3. Pipmaster77 will have to trade his, according to prop firm rules.

The one with the better results (to be decided but I'm thinking obviously profits will be the major deciding factor) wins and is clearly the person who is correct.

If Navk wins, he has proven that it is more worthwhile to trade a personal account. If Pipmaster77 wins, then obviously prop firms' boosting helps and is valuable.

What do you guys think? Surely it beats squabbling on an online forum. Makes it more entertaining for everyone else too!

Blessed weekend.
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  • #50,387
  • Jul 19, 2025 7:50am Jul 19, 2025 7:50am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Actually, most in here (especially the ones who have been here awhile) are winners and getting paid from these firms. Some of us were winners in forex props as well and switched to futures after the MFF mess and the ensuing effect on the this space. Once again, your are only getting responses to call out your bullshit, everyone sees it. The problem with lying is the liar often forgets what he/she has already lied about. Here's a little recap: About 25 days ago, you started spamming this theory of personal is better than prop, just need 20...
Most here according to you are winners.
If they are winners, they will post winnings

with payout certificate.
And for you too, avoid writing stories.
Just focus on your own trading.
Forget what others do.
Intraday only.
  • #50,388
  • Jul 19, 2025 7:54am Jul 19, 2025 7:54am
Quoting fleps
I'm a neutral party fwiw and I think there's actually a very simple way you guys can sort this out once and for all. Have a trading contest! 1. Both of you create demo accounts. Navk with say, USD 1000. Pipmaster77 with say, USD 50,000. Number arbitary, can be adjusted. For instance, Pipmaster77's account can be such that maximum drawdown=1000. I am neither a fan nor a foe of prop firm accounts; haven't been following for a long time but so I have no idea about how the sizing are now. Since it is demo accounts, no one can say he doesn't have spare...
I love this challenge.
IMonthly earnings shall be posted.
Those who are ready for this open challenge, give a like to my post.
Intraday only.
  • #50,389
  • Jul 19, 2025 7:59am Jul 19, 2025 7:59am
Quoting navk
{quote} Most here according to you are winners. If they are winners, they will post winnings with payout certificate. And for you too, avoid writing stories. Just focus on your own trading. Forget what others do.
So if someone will not post winnings, they must be a losing trader....ironic, as that is what I have asked of you.
As far as your last statement, why don't you take your own advice.....avoid writing stories, just focus on your own trading and forget waht others do.
I know you're angry at me for calling out your bullshit, but it's very deceitful.....do you lie like this in real life as well or just on the internet?
  • #50,390
  • Jul 19, 2025 8:06am Jul 19, 2025 8:06am
Quoting fleps
I'm a neutral party fwiw and I think there's actually a very simple way you guys can sort this out once and for all. Have a trading contest! 1. Both of you create demo accounts. Navk with say, USD 1000. Pipmaster77 with say, USD 50,000. Numbers arbitary, can be adjusted. For instance, Pipmaster77's account can be such that maximum drawdown=1000. I am neither a fan nor a foe of prop firm accounts; haven't been following for a long time so I have no idea about how the sizing are now. Since it is demo accounts, no one can say he doesn't have spare...
How has any burden of proof fallen on me?
I'm not trying to prove anything, other than navk is full of shit. So no Thank You...been there done that 5 years ago didn't go well....
I have 3 Darwins, 1 Tradeify (soon to be 5), 3 MFFU and a full time job...sorry, don't have time for a demo account.....to prove what?
Besides, he is the one that is refusing to post that magical account from 25 days ago
Perhaps someone else would be up for it....I only use props to subsidize until I have the AUM under Darwinex that I need.....I am a manual trader, my Darwins are all separate strategies.
I will post my prop accounts at EOM.....that is sufficient. June is already posted yesterday.
  • #50,391
  • Edited 8:23am Jul 19, 2025 8:07am | Edited 8:23am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} So if someone will not post winnings, they must be a losing trader....ironic, as that is what I have asked of you. As far as your last statement, why don't you take your own advice.....avoid writing stories, just focus on your own trading and forget waht others do. I know you're angry at me for calling out your bullshit, but it's very deceitful.....do you lie like this in real life as well or just on the internet?
No. I am not at all angry at you. The money you lost makes you write like this. I have not seen a single payout certificate of yours from prop firm futures.
Someone has opened a challenge.
Accept the challe ge.
Post your winning gs with payout certificate.
Just like Monty does.
IMO, only has all credentials in prop firm. No o e else.
I was winning consecutively, but they denied my payouts.
Profit lost 13500 dollars.
So, just focussing on private acc.
Monty is young. He too will realise after some months that Prop firms take life out of him.
Intraday only.
  • #50,392
  • Jul 19, 2025 8:10am Jul 19, 2025 8:10am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} How has any burden of proof fallen on me? I'm not trying to prove anything, other than navk is full of shit. So no Thank You...been there done that 5 years ago didn't go well.... I have 3 Darwins, 1 Tradeify (soon to be 5), 3 MFFU and a full time job...sorry, don't have time for a demo account.....to prove what? Besides, he is the one that is refusing to post that magical account from 25 days ago
First, let me assure you that I am neither a friend nor foe of prop firms. I am sensing a lot of anger from you. It is fine if you direct it towards your enemy (in this case Navk), but let's try to stay cordial towards each other here. Not saying you are not, but I see us potentially spiralling down that route. Thank you.

I am not saying the burden of proof falls upon you, but you do have an opportunity to shut Navk down and out once and for all. Beat him and anytime he tries to post any bullshit, all you have to do is to reference that contest and that will be sufficient. Such a luxury, won't it?

As I mentioned, there is no "don't have time" because all you have to do is copy trades from your main accounts. That shouldn't be an issue. You might have to change the sizing, but that is merely spending some additional time at the onset.

Again, I'm not thrashing you, but Navk has seemingly accepted the challenge so it now looks bad on you if you don't. Just....pointing it out.

Peace.
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  • #50,393
  • Jul 19, 2025 8:17am Jul 19, 2025 8:17am
Quoting fleps
{quote} First, let me assure you that I am neither a friend nor foe of prop firms. I am sensing a lot of anger from you. It is fine if you direct it towards your enemy (in this case Navk), but let's try to stay cordial towards each other here. Not saying you are not, but I see us potentially spiralling down that route. Thank you. I am not saying the burden of proof falls upon you, but you do have an opportunity to shut Navk down and out once and for all. Beat him and anytime he tries to post any bullshit, all you have to do is to reference...
Just have navk post his 25 day old account....that is the only issue in question here.
I am not here to entertain anyone with a demo contest.
No, it doesn't look bad on me, right now the only evidence THIS ENTIRE THREAD is looking for is the 25 day old account navk started and said couldn't be blown up without a SL
His failure to show that LOOKS BAD ON HIM.
  • #50,394
  • Jul 19, 2025 8:22am Jul 19, 2025 8:22am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Just have navk post his 25 day old account....that is the only issue in question here. I am not here to entertain anyone with a demo contest. No, it doesn't look bad on me, right now the only evidence THIS ENTIRE THREAD is looking for is the 25 day old account navk started and said couldn't be blown up without a SL
Reasonable.
But there will be people who will surmise that you do not dare to take up the gauntlet when Navk has thrown it down.

Again, not trying to thrash you, just stating the facts.
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  • #50,395
  • Jul 19, 2025 8:23am Jul 19, 2025 8:23am
This thread is about prop firms and not personal trading journals (unless its on a prop firm account). There's a whole section for you navk in trading journals ... use it... read the room. On a side note - I looked at your trades .. DCA without SL is Martingale in disguise (if you keep DCA'ing into oblivion which I have yet to see what limits you stick to). Regardless if you are not using a prop firm - sit back and relax whilst others do the right thing and stick to the topic.

Fleps, this is not about shutting down Navk .. take the trading comp to the trading journals (doubt Pipmaster would waste his time) .. keep this thread for prop firms .. period.

Its not that deep everyone.
  • #50,396
  • Jul 19, 2025 8:27am Jul 19, 2025 8:27am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Just have navk post his 25 day old account....that is the only issue in question here. I am not here to entertain anyone with a demo contest. No, it doesn't look bad on me, right now the only evidence THIS ENTIRE THREAD is looking for is the 25 day old account navk started and said couldn't be blown up without a SL His failure to show that LOOKS BAD ON HIM.
My account is not like prop firm.

In a prop firm... one pays 50 dollars fee, win the eval. Try funded BS.. trade... loose. Or make 1500 dollars and at the end payout getting denied.

If one blows eval, he continues to pay 50...50...50... every 2 days. lol

The prop firm futures is a joke. People getting addicted to this. They do not realize.
Intraday only.
  • #50,397
  • Jul 19, 2025 8:29am Jul 19, 2025 8:29am
Quoting fleps
{quote} Reasonable. But there will be people who will surmise that you do not dare to take up the gauntlet when Navk has thrown it down. Again, not trying to thrash you, just stating the facts.
Nothing to prove here, sorry.
I occasionally post my Darwins, top 5% in all of Darwinex on 2 of them, 3rd one is still new.
I posted entire month of June on Tradeify yesterday, daily is truly irrelevant
I don't seek the attention of hey, look at me I'm a great trader....I have my goals and I wake up and grind every day.
I am willing to post EOM on Tradeify and MFFU and all of my Darwins....but once again, for what? I am not making any claims that I cannot back up
  • #50,398
  • Jul 19, 2025 8:30am Jul 19, 2025 8:30am
Quoting fleps
{quote} Reasonable. But there will be people who will surmise that you do not dare to take up the gauntlet when Navk has thrown it down. Again, not trying to thrash you, just stating the facts.
No one is ready for challenge.

I will wait for more time.

If i do not see a reply, it is yet another saturday/sunday.

lol
Intraday only.
  • #50,399
  • Jul 19, 2025 8:31am Jul 19, 2025 8:31am
Quoting Spearion
This thread is about prop firms and not personal trading journals (unless its on a prop firm account). There's a whole section for you navk in trading journals ... use it... read the room. On a side note - I looked at your trades .. DCA without SL is Martingale in disguise (if you keep DCA'ing into oblivion which I have yet to see what limits you stick to). Regardless if you are not using a prop firm - sit back and relax whilst others do the right thing and stick to the topic. Fleps, this is not about shutting down Navk .. take the trading comp...
Perhaps you are right. But the core intent of a forum is a gathering of the minds, to which topics can deviate very quickly Also, in trading, a lot of time is spent waiting and waiting, to which I think idle and off-course chat can be condoned; in fact, somewhat encouraged to avoid over-trading. If this topic is strictly on prop firms without even slight deviation (which I do not consider so since it's personal account freedom vs prop), then it might become a dead topic sooner or later.

I see no downsides to a contest. A Navk win and people explore a new idea and perhaps earn more. A Pipmaster77 win and the honor of prop firms is defended and the believers will have their faith enforced. In any case, both traders are pushed to succeed even more; surely a little pressure won't hurt, would it?

Perhaps I have been watching too much King Arthur over the weekend. Apologies should I offend anyone.
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  • #50,400
  • Jul 19, 2025 8:38am Jul 19, 2025 8:38am
Sorry, all. I am guilty of being off topic as well simply for engaging in the nonsense.
I just can't help it, when I see bs, I have to call it out.
I will stop engaging.
Bottom line is navk exposed himself by disappearing for a week and then posting ONLY 1 day profits yesterday.
No further discussion needed.
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