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  • #47,861
  • Apr 5, 2025 3:27am Apr 5, 2025 3:27am
Quoting Stoneyrocks
{quote} Ryan was before with Apterostrading , now he left and founded Raentrading https://x.com/baynkr do you you know of any remote futures prop firms besides these 2 ?
Im doing some research into real (i.e trading real firm capital) remote prop firms and will post a list once Im done
  • #47,862
  • Apr 5, 2025 3:47am Apr 5, 2025 3:47am
Quoting navk
My futures elite account/s update : I recd 2 payouts. ( 2 x 1200 ) They denied 2 payouts. ( 2 x 1200 ) on Thursday. My payouts 2x1200 due on 15/16 April will be denied. My 5 x 50k funded accounts already suspended. My profile / registration still active ( To receive more fees !!!! . lol ) The CEO says to me to forget anymore payouts. The CEO saya kyc problem. See the kyc update below. SCAM FIRM on top of the list. {image}
Thank you for reporting this.

From a possible "TOP" online firm, to a sure "SCAM". This is why I walk slowly on positive feedbacks, especially regarding fresh props. The KYC issue seems a red flag, a big one. The fact they can post deny your verification status makes everything not safe at all.

In the past I said I was going to give them a try, but I was busy and every time I'm about to do it, I don't like them, too shady, don't know. I hate waste time more than money.
  • #47,863
  • Apr 5, 2025 6:29am Apr 5, 2025 6:29am
Quoting Zuke
{quote} Im doing some research into real (i.e trading real firm capital) remote prop firms and will post a list once Im done
most of these are in office desk traders

www.traderslog.com/proprietarytradingfirms
  • #47,864
  • Apr 5, 2025 7:55am Apr 5, 2025 7:55am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} I want that as well.. Apex so slow with 90% + 85$ activation fee offer.... They did one once at the beginning of the year... Thats it...... I am patiently waiting for this offer to load 20 accounts... Otherwise, i dont want to spend a single breath on them....
I know you don't prefer the STF models, but these firms with the low eval and high activation wind up costing more than STF and you don't need to pass shit.
Of course, you cannot YOLO, but if you're going to trade normal once you have the live account anyway, why stress YOLO'ing evals.
Bulenox, as an example, will run me about $510 to get 6K in DD, if I pass the first time. Tradeify gives me 6K for $430, nothing to pass.
  • #47,865
  • Apr 5, 2025 8:14am Apr 5, 2025 8:14am
Quoting _BBKing_
{quote} Nobody likes that. I know It Is risky. But so then why allow 17contracts of then you do not actually allow them? Just give a fixed size and that's It. 17contracts Is Just pure illusioni btw. But 1 ṭ 5 or even 10 Is ok on a scalping strategy where max loss Is max 1100/1200$.
The same reasons the forex firms give you a "100K account" but you can only lose 5K/day or 10K total.......in futures it's 50K with max loss $1,250/day or $2.500/total, it's literally half(10% forex vs. 5% futures) and it trails, either intraday or EOD.
Why not just give you a 10K account (forex) or a $2,500 acount (futures)?...blatantly obvious answer is simply because they provide the leverage/ability to trade as if it's 100K or 50K....so in reality, if they are providing 100:1 on 100K, they are really providing 1000:1 on 10K. Now you can overtrade by 1000 times and blow evals and they can collect more fees. If you happen to pass, you will overtrade still and then either blow the live account or be denied payout.
They are all fine with you using as much risk as you'd like to pass, but don't you dare use that same size/risk with our fake money.
Don't misunderstand, I love prop firms, was funded with 5 on the forex side and now am using 4 on the futures side. However, I trade them as if they are the size of the DD only.
On darwinex, my 100K account on MT5, my trades are 0.5-0.7, I do not even use 1:1 leverage and yet can grind out 2-2.5% average monthly.
I know it's cliche as hell, but this business or any type of gambling with an edge (poker, sports, etc) is truly all about MM.
If you risk so that you can lose 100 bets in a row, you will never lose your roll. If you do, you don't have an edge in that particular endeavor.
  • #47,866
  • Apr 5, 2025 9:43am Apr 5, 2025 9:43am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} The same reasons the forex firms give you a "100K account" but you can only lose 5K/day or 10K total.......in futures it's 50K with max loss $1,250/day or $2.500/total, it's literally half(10% forex vs. 5% futures) and it trails, either intraday or EOD. Why not just give you a 10K account (forex) or a $2,500 acount (futures)?...blatantly obvious answer is simply because they provide the leverage/ability to trade as if it's 100K or 50K....so in reality, if they are providing 100:1 on 100K, they are really providing 1000:1 on 10K. Now you...
yes indeed! I know… I have to admit I did not completely switch my behavior passing from the evaluation to the funded side.
Anyway, reading deeply all Tradeify rules (for example) I find the very same copy and paste stuff which, at this point, I guess is the same on basically all prop firms:

1. Website rules in the FAQ secrion is not everething! You have to read also their agreement where things are sligthly different (dca allowed/not allowed for example)
2. You can trade large size, let s say 5 or 10 contracts. What they do not like is if you trade 1 contract 80% of times then switch to a 10 contracts trade. This is not being consistent.
3. The same applies for SL/TP. Passing from a 50 to a 400 ticks SL is not considered a consistent behavior.

I think, and so could be wrong, these rules are because of their copy trading in their accounts. If a trader has not a clear behavior, their algos will likely avoid those trades so even if one is in profits, they will deny since they could not copy those profits.

This being said, I now have a problem because my strategy is based on multi timeframes (despite it is a scalping) and depending on the time of the day requires larger or tigther SL. And furthermore, I have many trades done in very few seconds which is microscalping.

I consider at this point the Apex account as forfeit, despite the 13k profits, they will soon or late close it probably.
will think about a straigth to funded with Tradeify, and use it just like it is my money since, that will be my last option instead of a live funded account.
so trading a fixed size, fixed SL fixed TP.
setting a daily target of approx 1,5/2 k is well within my reach (10/11 trades)

what I like about the STF is the possibility to go for a live, once shown strong consistency.
indeed, approx 60days ( or more) of consistent behavior is a hell of skills required….
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,867
  • Apr 5, 2025 10:19am Apr 5, 2025 10:19am
Quoting _BBKing_
{quote} yes indeed! I know… I have to admit I did not completely switch my behavior passing from the evaluation to the funded side. Anyway, reading deeply all Tradeify rules (for example) I find the very same copy and paste stuff which, at this point, I guess is the same on basically all prop firms: 1. Website rules in the FAQ secrion is not everething! You have to read also their agreement where things are sligthly different (dca allowed/not allowed for example) 2. You can trade large size, let s say 5 or 10 contracts. What they do not like is...
If some one can pass evaluation, with ease, he/she will not choose STF.

For 150k account :

Tradeify 150STF costs me 511. Tradeify 150 growth costs me 237

Tradeify 150 advance plan costs me total including activation 215.

Tradeify advance plan intraday trailing 4500 ( Intraday trailing, but you have 4500 to play with ! )
Tradeify growth DLL 3750 : MLL 5000 ( eod, this offers more flexibility )
Tradeify STF DLL 3750, MLL 6000.

For me, it is better to choose 4500 intraday trailing or EOD trailing than STF. This creates dicipline in my trading and upfront cost is cheaper.

For some one who is ultra conservative, STF is ok but he pays more.
Intraday only.
  • #47,868
  • Apr 5, 2025 10:39am Apr 5, 2025 10:39am
Quoting _BBKing_
{quote} yes indeed! I know… I have to admit I did not completely switch my behavior passing from the evaluation to the funded side. Anyway, reading deeply all Tradeify rules (for example) I find the very same copy and paste stuff which, at this point, I guess is the same on basically all prop firms: 1. Website rules in the FAQ secrion is not everething! You have to read also their agreement where things are sligthly different (dca allowed/not allowed for example) 2. You can trade large size, let s say 5 or 10 contracts. What they do not like is...
Topstep 150 is even better, one pays 149 + 149 = 298. One pays little extra for EOD and reputation.

Topstep 150 offers EOD trailing 4500.

One needs to make 600 to 1000 every day ( with EOD trailing of 4500 ), so that he can reach payout stage in roughly 15 to 20 trading days. This is for a cost of 298.

With Tradeify STF, one pays 513, but still he needs to make 9000 to take 3000 . To make 9000 he needs to earn 600 to 1000 for 10 to 15 trading days !!
Intraday only.
  • #47,869
  • Apr 5, 2025 10:48am Apr 5, 2025 10:48am
Quoting navk
{quote} If some one can pass evaluation, with ease, he/she will not choose STF. For 150k account : Tradeify 150STF costs me 511. Tradeify 150 growth costs me 237 Tradeify 150 advance plan costs me total including activation 215. Tradeify advance plan intraday trailing 4500 ( Intraday trailing, but you have 4500 to play with ! ) Tradeify growth DLL 3750 : MLL 5000 ( eod, this offers more flexibility ) Tradeify STF DLL 3750, MLL 6000. For me, it is better to choose 4500 intraday trailing or EOD trailing than STF. This creates dicipline in my trading...
Yes the calculation is right.
But I have a problem with evaluations. At a certain point I lose my patience.
I have a problem with targets maybe. I mean profits targets. I trade thinking about how much is still missing to reach the goal and go for the funded. Where btw there is then another goal before having a payout.
it gives me pressure, and I cannot afford it anymore. Ok it can be done in 1 day or 2. Or let s say 1 week… i am simply tired. Just want to trade and get my money
I now have to decide if fund my own account or keep with props and stay with their rules.

Will probably keep with props a little more.
will have to find the correct one based on my trading strategy,
tradeify is very closed… but also they do not allow you payout of total profits, unless they decide you go for a live account, which can happen at 4th payout, never, or after 80k payouts (a lot of time considering the max cap amount on payouts)
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,870
  • Apr 5, 2025 10:59am Apr 5, 2025 10:59am
Quoting _BBKing_
{quote} Yes the calculation is right. But I have a problem with evaluations. At a certain point I lose my patience. I have a problem with targets maybe. I mean profits targets. I trade thinking about how much is still missing to reach the goal and go for the funded. Where btw there is then another goal before having a payout. it gives me pressure, and I cannot afford it anymore. Ok it can be done in 1 day or 2. Or let s say 1 week… i am simply tired. Just want to trade and get my money I now have to decide if fund my own account or keep with props...
I agree to some extent that, when you are close to target profit, it adds to pressure.

This pressure is one time. Once you pass, you take it normally.

These days, for 50k account, and every 50k account i passed is in 1 day, with 20 micros. I need a swing in gold in my favour 15 dollars move.

And in one swing. In projectx it is possible to set your TP 2000 and sleep. No pressure. In tradovate, you have to watch when it hits tp 2000.
Intraday only.
  • #47,871
  • Apr 5, 2025 11:00am Apr 5, 2025 11:00am
Quoting navk
{quote} Topstep 150 is even better, one pays 149 + 149 = 298. One pays little extra for EOD and reputation. Topstep 150 offers EOD trailing 4500. One needs to make 600 to 1000 every day ( with EOD trailing of 4500 ), so that he can reach payout stage in roughly 15 to 20 trading days. This is for a cost of 298. With Tradeify STF, one pays 513, but still he needs to make 9000 to take 3000 . To make 9000 he needs to earn 600 to 1000 for 10 to 15 trading days !!
yes aalso topstep on my views..
would prefer ftmo but there is no tradingview option which for me atm is mandatory (trading from ipad)
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,872
  • Apr 5, 2025 11:03am Apr 5, 2025 11:03am
Quoting navk
{quote} I agree to some extent that, when you are close to target profit, it adds to pressure. This pressure is one time. Once you pass, you take it normally. These days, for 50k account, and every 50k account i passed is in 1 day, with 20 micros. And in one swing. In projectx it is possible to set your TP 2000 and sleep. No pressure. In tradovate, you have to watch when it hits tp 2000.
no in tradovate you can set your risk both loss and profits
i usually set a 1,5k loss and 2 profits.
so if i go down to a 1,5 k it stops me and I have to enter in the platform and eventually re set it..
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,873
  • Apr 5, 2025 11:08am Apr 5, 2025 11:08am
Quoting navk
{quote} If some one can pass evaluation, with ease, he/she will not choose STF. For 150k account : Tradeify 150STF costs me 511. Tradeify 150 growth costs me 237 Tradeify 150 advance plan costs me total including activation 215. Tradeify advance plan intraday trailing 4500 ( Intraday trailing, but you have 4500 to play with ! ) Tradeify growth DLL 3750 : MLL 5000 ( eod, this offers more flexibility ) Tradeify STF DLL 3750, MLL 6000. For me, it is better to choose 4500 intraday trailing or EOD trailing than STF. This creates dicipline in my trading...
I was comparing to the $20 discounted eval and then $100-150 activation fee on a 50K. If you pass the first time (unlikely if YOLO'ing) you are at 120-170 for 2,000-2500 in DD, where for approx the same cost you can get 6K DD with Tradeify and not need to pass an eval.
  • #47,874
  • Apr 5, 2025 11:10am Apr 5, 2025 11:10am
another good option in my mind is
1. Stf account on tradeify
2. At every payout buying a pn evaluation one to be linked to the STF

this way will trade one account and in the meantime also the other ones, not being stressed by profit targets
had this plan with apex but atm have to consider switching to another firm.
will decide when they will tell me about my last payout request
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,875
  • Apr 5, 2025 11:28am Apr 5, 2025 11:28am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} I was comparing to the $20 discounted eval and then $100-150 activation fee on a 50K. If you pass the first time (unlikely if YOLO'ing) you are at 120-170 for 2,000-2500 in DD, where for approx the same cost you can get 6K DD with Tradeify and not need to pass an eval.
The whole approach will be different between passing eval and slowly building up equity to target in order to withdraw.

I will " yolo" to pass, in one shot. ( can i call it 70 % accurate entry and not yolo ? )

I will build my equity at the rate of 300 to 450 in funded. I will get to payout stage in roughly 5 to 7 days. or with tradeify to make 2100 to withdraw 1500.

Any ways, i am going out now, to buy groceries. only saturday/ sundays.
Intraday only.
  • #47,876
  • Apr 5, 2025 11:54am Apr 5, 2025 11:54am
Quoting _BBKing_
{quote} I agree with you. But few.weeks ago on trustpilot there were very few 1 star. Now increasing. The problem Is on their rules. I read them again and again. And again. They are not clear! DCA Is allowed or Is not? Because this Is not clear. They state It Is. But if you read carefully It Is not. Or Better, It Is of you Always DCA. But in my case I do It some times . Most of times my trades are clean SL or tp. 5:1 has to be respected on all trades or if I close some trader for 2 ticks I Will be denied a whole payout? And more, It Is stated as...
With apex it is kind of tricky. One cannot compare apex payout denials as on other firms they proabably ban you or you have to start from scratch where as in apex you just need to trade normally for 8 more days.
Also no trading journal will show your running trades floating loss unless trader is trading with strict SL and TP and no meddling in between.
For example if trader has 50K account with allowed 750$ per trade max open loss at a time.
Trader trades NQ with 30 points SL and 30 points TP. If trade went 20 point against and goes to break even + 2points. Trader closed it manually.
It is violation of 5:1 risk to reward rule. Most trader doesn't know about it and shouts on trust pilot apex is scam.
Do I like this rule answer is NO. Can they do better job in dashboard about such violation. Answer is YES.
Again any other prop firm pays 80-100K answer IS BIG NO.
  • #47,877
  • Apr 5, 2025 12:28pm Apr 5, 2025 12:28pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} With apex it is kind of tricky. One cannot compare apex payout denials as on other firms they proabably ban you or you have to start from scratch where as in apex you just need to trade normally for 8 more days. Also no trading journal will show your running trades floating loss unless trader is trading with strict SL and TP and no meddling in between. For example if trader has 50K account with allowed 750$ per trade max open loss at a time. Trader trades NQ with 30 points SL and 30 points TP. If trade went 20 point against and goes to break...
well, you can do that on tradezella
maybe also on tradesviz.
I also do not like that rule. I mean… if it was sl and tp i am fine. But when it comes to floating p/l that is really not simple. Easier to just let the trade to sl or to tp no matter what.
hopefully apex will not put my account under probation on next payout request (…]).

What makes me unconrfotable is that at first payout evrythung went clean, then denied but did not change my style.
maybe they activated some improvements on their scan….
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,878
  • Apr 5, 2025 7:38pm Apr 5, 2025 7:38pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} I was comparing to the $20 discounted eval and then $100-150 activation fee on a 50K. If you pass the first time (unlikely if YOLO'ing) you are at 120-170 for 2,000-2500 in DD, where for approx the same cost you can get 6K DD with Tradeify and not need to pass an eval.
Only Bulenox was offering 90 % discount qt 17 $ 50k.

Now it is priced at 53 $. not worth the purchase.

Tradeify is worth currently.

Also Topstep any day is worth.
Intraday only.
  • #47,879
  • Apr 5, 2025 10:24pm Apr 5, 2025 10:24pm
I will not go and put my money in cheap evals henceforth.

Futures elite
Bluguardian
Alpha
Aqua
Funded futures family.

Though some may be good in the list, I will stop buying unless i see some good reviews in Discord and wnd here and elsewhere.

The cheap firms tend to create problems

I will focus on :

Topstep
Tradeify
Bulenox

That is it.
Intraday only.
  • #47,880
  • Apr 5, 2025 11:18pm Apr 5, 2025 11:18pm
so, I woke up with the email from Apex confirming my payout

What me nervous was the “long time” the request was in under review status, compared to the firts payout when it was pretty fast (within the same day).

I would say that finally for Apex the 30% loss rule is really important.
probably also the bigger size trades if they put at risk more than 30% loss.
I did bigger size ones but SL was within the max risk, since after last denial I took care a lot of that.

ok so, second payout from Apex !

will resume an evaluation acc( blown along the way) to try have a backup PA or eventually trade from both of them in Tradovate
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