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  • #47,521
  • Mar 23, 2025 9:54am Mar 23, 2025 9:54am
Quoting Mandariin
{quote} There is no point to play IF games. What's the point to buy Tesla car if it will be burn down by next morning ? And if company goes under it can't take away my good trading habits that I have developed.
Agree. I prefer the low risk approach as well. Same way I did in the forex props. Being in the US, I was (thankfully) forced into futures.
The goal should be to get as much funding as possible accross multiple firms, in this manner, you can trade virtually risk free, make $50-100 per day and copy it accross 20 accounts.
If one company goes under, it's simply the cost of doing business, you replace it with another. Cost $100 to replace $2,500 in DD. In personal, it costs $2,500 to replace $2,500 in DD....for those that keep asking "why not just trade your own money?", because you earn 8-10 times more for the same effort.
  • #47,522
  • Mar 23, 2025 10:34am Mar 23, 2025 10:34am
Quoting navk
Monty, from your experience, who pays promptly ? I have seen many of your posts regarding MFFU payouts. How about topstep, tradeify ? And of course apex? I have been paid until now by futures elite only.
hello,
apex pays very quick. Requested payout the 5th march and on 10th it was on my bank.
consider I lost 2 days to setup as internatiol user. (Italy) and there was the weekend in the middle. Withdrawals from my personal account were slower!
just today asked another payout which will be managed tomorrow. Will let you know when it will reach my account considering now evrything is already setup
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,523
  • Mar 23, 2025 10:38am Mar 23, 2025 10:38am
by the way, came here to know if anyone uses Duplikium as trade copier and what the overall valuation on it.
I came there after researching the one who fits my needs (tradovate broker, cloud based, tradingview) and tomorrow will test the free version.
just to know if anyome encountered any problem
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,524
  • Mar 23, 2025 10:51am Mar 23, 2025 10:51am
Quoting navk
I am just posting a mt4 chart for gold, 5 min chart. I usually analyze in mt4 and trade in projectx. Is it difficult to to pass an evaluation in 1 day ( that is friday, yesterday ) ? I just missed the target by 80 dollars, that is all. With this chart, one can earn tonnes of dollars. lol {image}
I passed 2 evals. in 1 day.
And blown some 15/20 in last year because at a certain point I was unable to hold the pressure of being profitable for X days and not having real profits since not yet funded. Really frustrating to me.
so when i saw the 1 day to pass in Apex, I did it.
instead of trading my usual 1 contract in NQ, I shooted a 10 (fiirst eval) and a 15 contracts (second eval) positions reaching 10k profits in no time.

of course, had also A LOT of luck comsidering the live trailing threshold.

just saying, everyone has different approach.
now will connect a new eval to my funded, so when reaching 9 k profits will also pass another eval.
or blow them both the funded and the eval LOL
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,525
  • Mar 23, 2025 10:57am Mar 23, 2025 10:57am
good to read different views.

Hats off guys.

Contribute as much as possible.

Yea, i know, each is a case.
Intraday only.
  • #47,526
  • Mar 23, 2025 11:09am Mar 23, 2025 11:09am
Quoting Mandariin
{quote} I got funded by 22 days trading with 1 micro. This week up +807$ on "prop" funded accounts trading with 1+1 micro contracts. Most who take funded trader route think in days I think in decades. I think long term by implementing good risk management from start. What is difference between +800$ vs +8000$ in week trader ? Actually its nothing at all. One trades with micro and other mini contract. I need to earn the right to trade bigger. And I have no hesitation in my mind - I will be +10k per week trader by end of year.
I like this confidence.
Best wishes.
Intraday only.
  • #47,527
  • Mar 23, 2025 11:15am Mar 23, 2025 11:15am
Quoting _BBKing_
by the way, came here to know if anyone uses Duplikium as trade copier and what the overall valuation on it. I came there after researching the one who fits my needs (tradovate broker, cloud based, tradingview) and tomorrow will test the free version. just to know if anyome encountered any problem
is it only for tradovate ?
Intraday only.
  • #47,528
  • Mar 23, 2025 11:21am Mar 23, 2025 11:21am
Quoting navk
{quote} is it only for tradovate ?
no, connects almost anything for what I have seem in their pages
mt4/5 ctrader etc
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,529
  • Mar 23, 2025 11:38am Mar 23, 2025 11:38am
Quoting _BBKing_
{quote} no, connects almost anything for what I have seem in their pages mt4/5 ctrader etc
One needs to be careful while using third party thing for copying.

The firms may suspect third party signal you are trading and ban or stop your payouts.
Intraday only.
  • #47,530
  • Mar 23, 2025 11:50am Mar 23, 2025 11:50am
Quoting navk
{quote} One needs to be careful while using third party thing for copying. The firms may suspect third party signal you are trading and ban or stop your payouts.
Yes I indeed asked support for clarification about using this third party thing.
imo, it will be ok since i will copying from my account to my account and both into apex.
they also allow to use copiers but the one advertised in their website does not fit my needs
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,531
  • Mar 23, 2025 11:54am Mar 23, 2025 11:54am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Agree. I prefer the low risk approach as well. Same way I did in the forex props. Being in the US, I was (thankfully) forced into futures. The goal should be to get as much funding as possible accross multiple firms, in this manner, you can trade virtually risk free, make $50-100 per day and copy it accross 20 accounts. If one company goes under, it's simply the cost of doing business, you replace it with another. Cost $100 to replace $2,500 in DD. In personal, it costs $2,500 to replace $2,500 in DD....for those that keep asking "why not...
yes, and also nobody consider the cost of a flash crash if this happens in your live account.
and more
some still trade without a stop and target in place. What if connection goes down?
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,532
  • Edited 3:59pm Mar 23, 2025 12:01pm | Edited 3:59pm
Quoting Mandariin
{quote} There is no point to play IF games. What's the point to buy Tesla car if it will be burn down by next morning ? And if company goes under it can't take away my good trading habits that I have developed.
TIME IS IMPORTANT FOR US HUMANS…

MY PERSONAL OPINION: not saying you’re wrong keep doing what you doing….

Yep it cant take away your good habits…. Having good habits and under achievement is also not good….
thats why some make it big and some still make it good which is adequate for them…

everyone says over here prop firms should fast track your personal accounts growth not the other way around… coz seize the opportunity while its available not sure how long it gonna last compare the prop firms from 2023 to till now alot have changed….


Maybe you never experienced company going under losing thousands in payout(i did with skilledfundedtrader), or denied payouts for no reasons(many times) or company blocking you taking away your accounts coz you,re profitable… i have experienced all of it thats why i always say… spend less time on evals and go fast for the first payout after that do whatever you like coz you’ll have peace of mind and satisfaction
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #47,533
  • Mar 23, 2025 12:06pm Mar 23, 2025 12:06pm
Quoting navk
Monty, from your experience, who pays promptly ? I have seen many of your posts regarding MFFU payouts. How about topstep, tradeify ? And of course apex? I have been paid until now by futures elite only.
mffu is automated pays within an hour…
topstep 1-2 business days
tradeify also hours but they have payout cycle dates so have to wait ….
apex still takes 2-3 days for approval then 2-3 days for sending funds
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #47,534
  • Mar 23, 2025 12:17pm Mar 23, 2025 12:17pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} TIME IS IMPORTANT FOR US HUMANS… MY PERSONAL OPINION: not saying you’re wrong keep doing what you doing…. Yep it cant take away your good habits…. Having good habits and under achievement is also not good…. thats why some make it big and some still make it good which is adequate for them… everyone says over here prop firms should fast track your personal accounts growth not the other way around… coz seize the opportunity while its available not sure how long it gonna last compare the prop firms from 2023 to till now alot have changed…. Maybe...
after my first payout I blew the account in 2 days
overconfidence maybe
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,535
  • Mar 23, 2025 12:24pm Mar 23, 2025 12:24pm
Quoting navk
... Topstep pays, but take 2-3 days and cap for an is $5k ....
It depends - you can take 5k payout on FXA every 5 days ( each day profit must be >200 ).
On live account you can take payout every day.
I might be wrong , I have been wrong before
  • #47,536
  • Mar 23, 2025 12:30pm Mar 23, 2025 12:30pm
Quoting _BBKing_
{quote} after my first payout I blew the account in 2 days overconfidence maybe
If my memory don't fail me - 40% blow up after 1st quick payout.
I might be wrong , I have been wrong before
  • #47,537
  • Mar 23, 2025 12:34pm Mar 23, 2025 12:34pm
Quoting teprewitt23
why would any competent, successful trader trade someone else's money? i simply do not understand the concept, seems unintelligent.
Its because of leverage.

Have you read "The New market Wizards" book ? Are they all unintelligent trades who uses others peoples money to make millions for themselves and investors.
I might be wrong , I have been wrong before
  • #47,538
  • Mar 23, 2025 12:54pm Mar 23, 2025 12:54pm
Quoting teprewitt23
{quote} what percentage of prop traders would that be? It's only impressive if it is true, i would take a very close look at the author and the provability of sources. be trading since 1991 sounds like another scam, free money, no risk, good luck with that.
Yes everything is a scam. Don't be Debbie Downer.
Why some of them stopped accepting outside money ?

You are right. Only 1% of funded traders take regular payouts.
And why all of us use funding companies is leverage. Get rich quicker.
I might be wrong , I have been wrong before
  • #47,539
  • Mar 23, 2025 2:00pm Mar 23, 2025 2:00pm
Quoting Mandariin
{quote} Yes everything is a scam. Don't be Debbie Downer. Why some of them stopped accepting outside money ? You are right. Only 1% of funded traders take regular payouts. And why all of us use funding companies is leverage. Get rich quicker.
well, by my side is also because of leverage but not only that.
i believe in rules.
and retail trading world has no rules.
that is why maybe most people lose their money (me included pf course).

respecting prop firm rules, forced me to improve my strategy deeper and deeper reaching a point where suddendly everything looks so clear that some days I opem the chart, wait setup, execute, amd leave with >1k in profits after a 15 or 20 minutes screen time.

about the % of prop profitability we have to read who are the losers and who are the winners.
I guess most of losers are “windfall” lucky trades for some 2/3 days then market switch behavior and boom, everybody lost……….
90% of traders use TA, indicators and prediction
  • #47,540
  • Edited 3:00pm Mar 23, 2025 2:16pm | Edited 3:00pm
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Got this in my spam box from TheFundedTrader

85% off their 2 Step "Royal Pro" challenge. Normal price just a mere $949 for a 100K challenge but now on sale for $149

Such clever marketing

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