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  • #46,061
  • Jan 9, 2025 12:53am Jan 9, 2025 12:53am
Quoting Evasparkling
{quote} Yeah brutal day in the markets today. Was up earlier in the market and Trump tariffs news came out of nowhere and they markets dumped. Took the loss for $-950. This morning at NYC open we’re having 5 minutes 100 point candles. I don’t know how people are able to set stop losses and trade the market without being either taken out or liquidated.
Back to twitter/truth social driven markets. Trump insider heaven. Follow the money..
  • #46,062
  • Jan 9, 2025 1:48am Jan 9, 2025 1:48am
Done on my 150k ticktick account.

Do not want to touch anymore today.

Done close to 900 $.

Signing off.

going to sleep now.
Intraday only.
  • #46,063
  • Edited 3:30am Jan 9, 2025 3:00am | Edited 3:30am
Quoting navk
Done on my 150k ticktick account. Do not want to touch anymore today. Done close to 900 $. Signing off. going to sleep now.
Thank you for your valuable contribution. Sign off and never come back...

This thread has turned into nothing more than a personal diary for some people, instead of offering meaningful insights about prop firms—an absolutely infuriating trend that I can’t stand.
  • #46,064
  • Jan 9, 2025 3:34am Jan 9, 2025 3:34am
We are about to see many claims in prop firm space about A books and order flow managents.

There are some people doing things in the background but retail traders seem to not quite understand still liquidity and how it works, even for futures.

I will leave futures alone in this conversation because too tired to deal with affiliates attacks but for CFD firms here is what you must know to check if there is strategy in the order flows.

#1 they dont accept news - if they accept news there is no a book or order flow. Fills are too hard during this time and most LP's will cut anyone sending bigvolume of news flow. Its junk flow of no value to anyone in the chain.
#2 No scalping - everyone has their own definition of scalping, but basically trades in the seconds that dont give the LP time to do anything with it. Lets say 1 or 2 minutes should be the minimum time held (different for futures i know shut up).
#3 click size - 100 lot clicks on FX are rarely effective and result in big slippage. It is easy to manage smaller sizes in liquidity level. IF you want 100 lots, do it in 10 lot clicks because 100 lots single click will slip like expos hand on a saturday morning (applies to futures too) if it doesn't slip, you are not in real market.
#4 the people behind the wheel need to know what order flow is and not just use buzz words for sales. It seems there is a trend now on X for user to say "we are doing this" but that user doesn't even know what retail trading is let alone institutional. Even blue guardian idiot started pretending he knows something when he doesn't.

Lots of this conversation will appear this year in prop world be aware and understand, especially for CFD market that there are solutions to problems but they must be tailored to fit. For futures, the models are set up as casinos anyway until someone is actually funded. The hope is that the show continues on so you all can get your money and live well, this is my hope. But with so much saturation there will be big dips in futures props i think. They haven't seen a dip in watermark yet and APEX just reached the size of mff recently. If something happens to them, it will be history repeated.
  • #46,065
  • Jan 9, 2025 3:54am Jan 9, 2025 3:54am
Quoting navk
Done on my 150k ticktick account. Do not want to touch anymore today. Done close to 900 $. Signing off. going to sleep now.
I checked tickticktrader . com
& found they have $250k account as well under Direct Accounts
& they all are same r:r wise
Why did you choose the $150k account even if you have the money to buy it?
  • #46,066
  • Jan 9, 2025 5:04am Jan 9, 2025 5:04am
Quoting genuine007
{quote} I checked tickticktrader . com & found they have $250k account as well under Direct Accounts & they all are same r:r wise Why did you choose the $150k account even if you have the money to buy it?
Thats some crazy money for 250k....and there is no big difference for half the money can get 150k straight....

Simple Math
150k max payout amout - 3k - 450$
250k max payout amount - 4k - 899$

Plus if you have money worth 250k then purchase 150kx2 then earning potential is 6k as comapred to 4k
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #46,067
  • Edited 6:59am Jan 9, 2025 5:36am | Edited 6:59am
Quoting Olarion1975
{quote} Thank you for your valuable contribution. Sign off and never come back... This thread has turned into nothing more than a personal diary for some people, instead of offering meaningful insights about prop firms—an absolutely infuriating trend that I can’t stand.
how come you escaped from my list ? Get lost from here.
And three people liked your post too. They too deserve to be in my list. loosers ! Bunch !!
Intraday only.
  • #46,068
  • Jan 9, 2025 5:39am Jan 9, 2025 5:39am
Quoting genuine007
{quote} I checked tickticktrader . com & found they have $250k account as well under Direct Accounts & they all are same r:r wise Why did you choose the $150k account even if you have the money to buy it?
i Choose account size based on DLL and overall loss limit and profit threshold.

This 150k parameters meets my risk appetite.

As monty said, see the fee difference.
Intraday only.
  • #46,069
  • Jan 9, 2025 7:04am Jan 9, 2025 7:04am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} lmax has extremely high order rejection rates when connecting to their exchange. Inside lmax exchanges are multiple makers including makers who belong to initial broker. How to use lmax exchange to pick off your own liquidity? Simply send the best price for fill that’s how. Lmax tried really hard to legitimize retail fx but discovered that makers don’t like to be picked off by retail flow.

you really must be talking about another Lmax , this is what Darwinex had to say about those extremely high order rejection rates

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I read this thread from the first to the last page , https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...max-revolution, only happy traders

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once there was a spike that should not have been there , Lmax let the traders who made money on that move , keep their profits and made good on the people who lost money

There was a trader who compared Lmax , Interactivebrokers and Dukascopy , Lmax came out as the best deal

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just like on an exchange strict price/time priority execution

with Metatrader you can not add liquidity to Lmax , for that you have to use the webplatform
  • #46,070
  • Jan 9, 2025 7:12am Jan 9, 2025 7:12am
Is there any legit prop that is actually paying out? I will appreciate people contribution
You can be wrong half of the time and still make a fortune
  • #46,071
  • Jan 9, 2025 7:12am Jan 9, 2025 7:12am
Quoting Stoneyrocks
{quote} you really must be talking about another Lmax , this is what Darwinex had to say about those extremely high order rejection rates {image} I read this thread from the first to the last page , https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...max-revolution, only happy traders {image} There was a trader who compared Lmax , Interactivebrokers and Dukascopy , Lmax came out as the best deal {image} just like on an exchange strict price/time priority execution with Metatrader you can not add liquidity to Lmax , for that you have to...
Send them some sharp flow and see. I clearly can't show you broker terminals with rejections because that would be unscrupulous. The retail offering of LMAX and the liquidity offering is different and takes a long time to tune. If you plug them in and start firing flow at them you will get rejections. If you have been working with them for years I suspect you will get better rates. I speak with someone who is ex LMAX (8 months or so not working with them) most days and his words not mine are "we struggled to actually execute the vision because the makers want to choose what flow they take after pricing.

Lmax for retail directly, great product, fastest connectivity in the industry by far.
  • #46,072
  • Jan 9, 2025 7:14am Jan 9, 2025 7:14am
Quoting Vikolee
Is there any legit prop that is actually paying out? I will appreciate people contribution
FTMO 5ers.. there are many now that could be labelled legit but 50x as many frauds.
  • #46,073
  • Jan 9, 2025 7:15am Jan 9, 2025 7:15am
Quoting navk
{quote} i Choose account size based on DLL and overall loss limit and profit threshold. This 150k parameters meets my risk appetite. As monty said, see the fee difference.
but DLL & overall loss limit is in the same proportion as it is on 150k challenge.
  • #46,074
  • Jan 9, 2025 7:17am Jan 9, 2025 7:17am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Thats some crazy money for 250k....and there is no big difference for half the money can get 150k straight.... Simple Math 150k max payout amout - 3k - 450$ 250k max payout amount - 4k - 899$ Plus if you have money worth 250k then purchase 150kx2 then earning potential is 6k as comapred to 4k
great calculation sir!!
  • #46,075
  • Jan 9, 2025 7:17am Jan 9, 2025 7:17am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} FTMO 5ers.. there are many now that could be labelled legit but 50x as many frauds.
Thanks. You got any Idea how many challange one got to pass......
You can be wrong half of the time and still make a fortune
  • #46,076
  • Jan 9, 2025 7:19am Jan 9, 2025 7:19am
Quoting Vikolee
{quote} Thanks. You got any Idea how many challange one got to pass......
What do you mean? Most have 2 phase or 1 phase. But the ones that are safe are mentioned above.
  • #46,077
  • Edited 7:43am Jan 9, 2025 7:32am | Edited 7:43am
Quoting genuine007
{quote} but DLL & overall loss limit is in the same proportion as it is on 150k challenge.
I paid fee 450 $.
Account size : 150000
My DLL is 3750.
My Account loss limit is 7500.
I need to make 7500.
I can get payout of 3k ( 90 % ) first payout.
The balance in my account will be 154500.
My DLL is 3750.
My account loss limit is 150000.
I have cushion of 4500 to make next payout of 3000.

Note : I am accumulating more than 157500 in order to have good cushion for continuity in trading.

To maintain consistency :

I do try 750 to 850 / day
I trade gold only
I limit my lot size to max 30 micros.
Once daily profit crosses 750, i close Tradovate
I need practically clear 30 points move to achieve this.
Gold moves roughly 270 to 325 points per day.
So, I choose gold compared to NQ. or ES
Intraday only.
  • #46,078
  • Jan 9, 2025 7:43am Jan 9, 2025 7:43am
Quoting navk
{quote} I paid fee 450 $. Account size : 150000 My DLL is 3750. My Account loss limit is 7500. I need to make 7500. I can get payout of 3k ( 90 % ) first payout. The balance in my account will be 154500. My DLL is 3750. My account loss limit is 150000. I have cushion of 4500 to make next payout of 3000. Note : I am accumulating more than 157500 in order to have good cushion for continuity in trading. To maintain consistency : I do try 750 to 850 / day I trade gold only I limit my lot size to max 30 micros. Once daily profit crosses 750, i close...
Thankyou very much sir for explaining.
I like "one time payment only" & not monthly.
I will also try the same.
I am currently working on strategy for trading nasdaq futures.

Why did you select gold futures instead of nasdaq futures if you are trading micros??
Isn't 30 micros equals 3 minis??
  • #46,079
  • Jan 9, 2025 7:47am Jan 9, 2025 7:47am
Quoting genuine007
{quote} Thankyou very much sir for explaining. I like "one time payment only" & not monthly. I will also try the same. I am currently working on strategy for trading nasdaq futures. Why did you select gold futures instead of nasdaq futures if you are trading micros?? Isn't 30 micros equals 3 minis??
yes, 30 micros equal to 3 minis.
Assuming that you trade 30 micros, for you to get hit DLL, the gold price must move against you by 12 $ ( 120 points )

If you have reasonable trending tech system, you are unlikely to get hit DLL

NQ ( Nasdaq is too volatile and daily range is more, so DLL can get hit easily
see the chart 1 min gold attached.

Do you think it is difficult to profit 30 points ?
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Intraday only.
  • #46,080
  • Jan 9, 2025 7:51am Jan 9, 2025 7:51am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Thats some crazy money for 250k....and there is no big difference for half the money can get 150k straight.... Simple Math 150k max payout amout - 3k - 450$ 250k max payout amount - 4k - 899$ Plus if you have money worth 250k then purchase 150kx2 then earning potential is 6k as comapred to 4k
I can only think of one scenario trader is running out of all the prop firms in the world and want cushion on live as they can transfer 25K*3 = 75K instead of 15K*3 = 45K.
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