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  • #32,621
  • Mar 5, 2024 12:21pm Mar 5, 2024 12:21pm
Quoting CableJ
Did Funding Pips, Funded Engineer or TFF open to US traders after their returns?
Funding Pips on Match trader, originally USA and Poland were banned on Match, but is OK now????
Funded Engineer just got the shocking news that Blueberry wasn't exempt from the Meta prop firm crackdown......who would've thought????
TFF is back but only offers cTrader, which has been banned in USA for 10 years (as I am certain you are aware)
  • #32,622
  • Mar 5, 2024 12:24pm Mar 5, 2024 12:24pm
Quoting Capablanca
If someone wants to jump to the dark side: https://www.usajobs.gov/job/779483600 I wonder if these guys are the ones that may be investigating futures props if there is a claim that no real trades are executed.
If you can't beat 'em , join em.......I am certain I am not diversified enough though
  • #32,623
  • Mar 5, 2024 12:30pm Mar 5, 2024 12:30pm
Quoting Takisd
They are using FPFX partner verbiage about metatrader (Platform 5 platform 4).
-They are not the only ones, either. I have seen other props doing this. Strangely, I even have a broker that supposedly lost their meta license and is now offering something called PRO4. They claim that it's very similar to metatrader (it is metatrader).
  • #32,624
  • Mar 5, 2024 12:35pm Mar 5, 2024 12:35pm
Quoting Capablanca
If someone wants to jump to the dark side: https://www.usajobs.gov/job/779483600 I wonder if these guys are the ones that may be investigating futures props if there is a claim that no real trades are executed.
From what ive seen on the futures side, there are never any claims of live trading. The T&C clearly states being paid from fee income. Tradeday will offer the choice to go live with actual account (and monthly fee's) or stay on demo with fee income. IMO they may go after is the business model. As witnessed with MFF, they did not like the model at all.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #32,625
  • Mar 5, 2024 12:39pm Mar 5, 2024 12:39pm
Is there any solid prop firm that offers mt4? I see a lot of them have mt5.
Anything above the line is an uptrend, below the line is a downtrend.
  • #32,626
  • Mar 5, 2024 1:07pm Mar 5, 2024 1:07pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} If you can't beat 'em , join em.......I am certain I am not diversified enough though
speaking of that phrase, I experimented with Apex at the LO and NYO, and took 50K to 53K+ trading NQ

Not even sure what’s next? No matter, was dirt cheap using SAVE80
A snails pace wins the race :-)
  • #32,627
  • Mar 5, 2024 1:08pm Mar 5, 2024 1:08pm
Quoting Degolep
Is there any solid prop firm that offers mt4? I see a lot of them have mt5.
Not saying they are solid as nothing is really solid these days but FXIFY still offers MT4
Pride always comes before destruction.... -Proverbs 16:18
  • #32,628
  • Mar 5, 2024 2:17pm Mar 5, 2024 2:17pm
Quoting JustPipMe
{quote} speaking of that phrase, I experimented with Apex at the LO and NYO, and took 50K to 53K+ trading NQ Not even sure what’s next? No matter, was dirt cheap using SAVE80
Now i think you pay a one time fee or monthly activation fee
How many contracts you use in NQ not very familiarized with points in indices as i trade GC and euro
  • #32,629
  • Mar 5, 2024 2:55pm Mar 5, 2024 2:55pm
Quoting DeltaCapital
{quote} Now i think you pay a one time fee or monthly activation fee How many contracts you use in NQ not very familiarized with points in indices as i trade GC and euro
1,2,3, or 4 contracts. Scalping. I really need to devote some time to figuring out what it’s all about.

But, I mean, it was 50 bucks, so…
A snails pace wins the race :-)
  • #32,630
  • Mar 5, 2024 2:56pm Mar 5, 2024 2:56pm
Quoting Cryptosurf
IMO they may go after is the business model. As witnessed with MFF, they did not like the model at all.
-Imagine if brokers paid the majority of their traders using fee money. Oh wait...
  • #32,631
  • Mar 5, 2024 3:14pm Mar 5, 2024 3:14pm
Quoting DeltaCapital
{quote} Now i think you pay a one time fee or monthly activation fee How many contracts you use in NQ not very familiarized with points in indices as i trade GC and euro
If you are new to futures like me, better monthly fee first till you figure out how to trade futures and trailing DD. I have two PA apex accounts I got last week, I paid one one-time fee and one monthly. I lost the one-time fee account today due to trailing dd by trading nq. Another account, trading 6e and 6b as trading Eur and Gbp in fx prop, is still in the game.. halfway to profit withdrawal. I am going to trade what I know. Plus if you make money in the future, it will cover that monthly fee .
  • #32,632
  • Mar 5, 2024 3:30pm Mar 5, 2024 3:30pm
Quoting Boulder
{quote} If you are new to futures like me, better monthly fee first till you figure out how to trade futures and trailing DD. I have two PA apex accounts I got last week, I paid one one-time fee and one monthly. I lost the one-time fee account today due to trailing dd by trading nq. Another account, trading 6e and 6b as trading Eur and Gbp in fx prop, is still in the game.. halfway to profit withdrawal. I am going to trade what I know. Plus if you make money in the future, it will cover that monthly fee .
I agree. If you are making money the $85 monthly per account is no big deal. If you're not making money, you saved yourself $55 per account.
  • #32,633
  • Mar 5, 2024 3:36pm Mar 5, 2024 3:36pm
Quoting Boulder
{quote} If you are new to futures like me, better monthly fee first till you figure out how to trade futures and trailing DD. I have two PA apex accounts I got last week, I paid one one-time fee and one monthly. I lost the one-time fee account today due to trailing dd by trading nq. Another account, trading 6e and 6b as trading Eur and Gbp in fx prop, is still in the game.. halfway to profit withdrawal. I am going to trade what I know. Plus if you make money in the future, it will cover that monthly fee .
When you pass, as I did today, what happens? Do they send you an email after EOD? Or?

I’m only playing with one 50k acct until I get the hang of this
A snails pace wins the race :-)
  • #32,634
  • Mar 5, 2024 3:39pm Mar 5, 2024 3:39pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} I agree. If you are making money the $85 monthly per account is no big deal. If you're not making money, you saved yourself $55 per account.
plus with trailing DD, how long can we keep this PA ? it will be hard, if less than 3 months, the one time fee is not worth for me ( $105 monthly vs $280 one-time fee for $150K acct)
  • #32,635
  • Mar 5, 2024 3:46pm Mar 5, 2024 3:46pm
Quoting JustPipMe
{quote} When you pass, as I did today, what happens? Do they send you an email after EOD? Or? I’m only playing with one 50k acct until I get the hang of this
I did one day pass, I got an email from them within an hour after market close to sign some paperwork, and paid a fee to get pa account.
But I think one day pass promotion expired, not sure nowadays the minimum trading days requirement. back to 5 days? I see they have promotion today for 3 days pass..
  • #32,636
  • Mar 5, 2024 4:26pm Mar 5, 2024 4:26pm
Quoting Boulder
{quote} I did one day pass, I got an email from them within an hour after market close to sign some paperwork, and paid a fee to get pa account. But I think one day pass promotion expired, not sure nowadays the minimum trading days requirement. back to 5 days? I see they have promotion today for 3 days pass..
You are correct, the current promotion is 3day pass. Their discord server will always have the latest promotions.

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  • #32,637
  • Mar 5, 2024 4:34pm Mar 5, 2024 4:34pm
Quoting Nsak3y
{quote}-Imagine if brokers paid the majority of their traders using fee money. Oh wait...
The problem with FX Prop has always been their less then truthful claims. Some worse then others. Even to this day with FTMO raising flags on lots sizes, etc. Why does it matter if they are also profiting from your trades as claimed. We all knew that the marketing had an air of BS, but as long as they paid we played along. Only in the past 6-8 months has the veil been lifted and led to repercussions.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #32,638
  • Mar 5, 2024 4:50pm Mar 5, 2024 4:50pm
Quoting Cryptosurf
The problem with FX Prop has always been their less then truthful claims. .../... We all knew that the marketing had an air of BS, but as long as they paid we played along. Only in the past 6-8 months has the veil been lifted and led to repercussions.
-True. But I think that even if the marketing was truthful, that they would still have a problem with the model. The marketing just helps them achieve their goal. It will be interesting to see if anything happens with the futures props.
  • #32,639
  • Mar 5, 2024 5:20pm Mar 5, 2024 5:20pm
Quoting Boulder
{quote} I did one day pass, I got an email from them within an hour after market close to sign some paperwork, and paid a fee to get pa account. But I think one day pass promotion expired, not sure nowadays the minimum trading days requirement. back to 5 days? I see they have promotion today for 3 days pass..
oh I see, better see how many days. think it might be 5
A snails pace wins the race :-)
  • #32,640
  • Mar 5, 2024 6:13pm Mar 5, 2024 6:13pm
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} From what ive seen on the futures side, there are never any claims of live trading. The T&C clearly states being paid from fee income. Tradeday will offer the choice to go live with actual account (and monthly fee's) or stay on demo with fee income. IMO they may go after is the business model. As witnessed with MFF, they did not like the model at all.
With FX props the CFTC had non registered props acting as their own brokers, false marketing + statements around live funds, crypto payments being used (they lied to court about Kazmi's phantom personal crypto wallet to get freeze), US banned CFD's offered to US citizens and a Russian owned trading platform worried about getting banned w/ ongoing Russian sanctions in place. I think the CFTC going after futures props would be a more difficult task.
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