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  • #32,401
  • Mar 2, 2024 1:02pm Mar 2, 2024 1:02pm
Quoting Takisd
I still don't get the whole buy 100 50k accounts vs 1 300k account thing with futures. Must be scam.
It struck me as odd at first until I understood the reasoning behind it. Barrier to enter is much lower, spreading the risk across smaller accounts is mentally easier. Not everyone is a seasoned trading ledge like yourself.

And if the 90/90/90 concept rings true, there’s a higher payoff (4K monthly per account) within the first 3 months. Potentially 80k per month for first three months.
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  • #32,402
  • Mar 2, 2024 1:09pm Mar 2, 2024 1:09pm
e8 seems to be offline last 18 hrs...
no dashboard or or other meaningful pages.
Or is it just me?
  • #32,403
  • Mar 2, 2024 1:29pm Mar 2, 2024 1:29pm
Quoting doyathink
e8 seems to be offline last 18 hrs... no dashboard or or other meaningful pages. Or is it just me?
it’s working for me. Remember they rebranded as E8 Markets and domain has changed. https://e8markets.com
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  • #32,404
  • Mar 2, 2024 1:38pm Mar 2, 2024 1:38pm
ah...
my browser needed updating...
it's fine now.
Carry on.
  • #32,405
  • Mar 2, 2024 1:48pm Mar 2, 2024 1:48pm
for US traders , I fail to see why I would want to trade futures long term. that's the real issue. whereas fx you could accumulate capital and build up the balance, futures is short term and about withdrawing profits. that's why I think it's easier to just trade crypto. You can still average 9% on a swing trade, same as SOYBEAN oil but without having to worry about closing before FOMC and news events, etc. with 100k in crypto , you can easily make like 20k in a month without needing to follow these prop firm rules.
  • #32,406
  • Mar 2, 2024 1:52pm Mar 2, 2024 1:52pm
Quoting Markula
for US traders , I fail to see why I would want to trade futures long term. that's the real issue. whereas fx you could accumulate capital and build up the balance, futures is short term and about withdrawing profits. that's why I think it's easier to just trade crypto. You can still average 9% on a swing trade, same as SOYBEAN oil but without having to worry about closing before FOMC and news events, etc. with 100k in crypto , you can easily make like 20k in a month without needing to follow these prop firm rules.
When people are discussing trading futures, they aren't trading Soybeans. They are trading indicies, Gold, CL. Intraday trading appeals to a lot of traders, if you cant understand why, then that's on you.

This is a prop firm thread discussing prop firms. You tend to throw around nonsensical things (remember your ETF discussion?) that has little to do with the present reality.
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  • #32,407
  • Mar 2, 2024 1:56pm Mar 2, 2024 1:56pm
I don't think it's irrelevant. And "soybeans" are not soybean oil. Soybeans on average only move 4% per trade in my system so I used soybean oil as the example because they move more like a natural gas type commodity. How do you know what instruments are most popular with topstep or whatever? There are a lot of agricultural people, it's a big industry in the middle states.
  • #32,408
  • Mar 2, 2024 1:58pm Mar 2, 2024 1:58pm
Quoting Markula
I don't think it's irrelevant. And "soybeans" are not soybean oil. Soybeans on average only move 4% per trade in my system so I used soybean oil as the example because they move more like a natural gas type commodity. How do you know what instruments are most popular with topstep or whatever? There are a lot of agricultural people, it's a big industry in the middle states.
Obviously you know very little about futures trading or any trading in general.
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  • #32,409
  • Edited 2:17pm Mar 2, 2024 1:59pm | Edited 2:17pm
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Obviously you know very little about futures trading or any trading in general.
I would say the opposite, you would know the obvious fact that soybeans oil is more like trading a zar and soybeans are more like trading the euro; Indices don't move that much in percent terms that why I don't trade them, it's not that I can't predict them. What's most obvious to me is that you have a problem with others' opinions if they don't 100% agree with you. the more people trade NQ, the more it will become just noise lol like the euro.
  • #32,410
  • Mar 2, 2024 2:19pm Mar 2, 2024 2:19pm
Futures are shit compared to CFDs.
  • #32,411
  • Mar 2, 2024 2:38pm Mar 2, 2024 2:38pm
Quoting Markula
{quote} I would say the opposite, you would know the obvious fact that soybeans oil is more like trading a zar and soybeans are more like trading the euro; Indices don't move that much in percent terms that why I don't trade them, it's not that I can't predict them. What's most obvious to me is that you have a problem with others' opinions if they don't 100% agree with you. the more people trade NQ, the more it will become just noise lol like the euro.
ZAR? lololoooo

Explains a lot where your heads at.
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  • #32,412
  • Mar 2, 2024 2:38pm Mar 2, 2024 2:38pm
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Obviously you know very little about futures trading or any trading in general.
you obviously are low IQ , don't insult me, anyone would wish to have my trading methodology, including you clown.
  • #32,413
  • Mar 2, 2024 2:40pm Mar 2, 2024 2:40pm
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} ZAR? lololoooo Explains a lot where your heads at.
??? you continue to demonstrate you have no idea about anything.
  • #32,414
  • Mar 2, 2024 2:51pm Mar 2, 2024 2:51pm
Quoting Markula
{quote} ??? you continue to demonstrate you have no idea about anything.
Remember this jem?

Quoting Markula
rather than trade futures , it might be easier to find a firm where you can trade etfs. This would be easier for me since I don't have to worry about rolling over contracts on soybeans or whatever, rbob gas. I haven't decided yet though. although etfs I think you can only buy, not sell, if you can predict all of them like me, it won't really matter, just wait for buying opportunities and swing trade that. No need for cfds or futures. I'm not sure how the recent developments affect tradethepool though or others.
Jaw dropping ignorance on full display.
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  • #32,415
  • Mar 2, 2024 3:03pm Mar 2, 2024 3:03pm
Quoting Takisd
I still don't get the whole buy 100 50k accounts vs 1 300k account thing with futures. Must be scam.
From a customer perspective, it's likely because 50k accounts have a 1:1 drawdown/profit ratio (or near enough) whereas the drawdown on the higher value accounts is closer to half the profit target.

From a firm perspective, it's a scam, because they get you on the authentication fee which tends to be the same irrespective of account size.
  • #32,416
  • Mar 2, 2024 3:05pm Mar 2, 2024 3:05pm
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Remember this jem? {quote} Jaw dropping ignorance on full display.
there's nothing wrong with my comment, it's a viable alternative. You don't explain why you think the way you do either.

https://www.fundsquare.net/fund-tree?idInstr=294446
  • #32,417
  • Mar 2, 2024 3:11pm Mar 2, 2024 3:11pm
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Remember this jem? {quote} Jaw dropping ignorance on full display.
yes your ignorance. Behold! lol
  • #32,418
  • Mar 2, 2024 3:12pm Mar 2, 2024 3:12pm
Quoting Markula
{quote} there's nothing wrong with my comment, it's a viable alternative. You don't explain why you think the way you do either. https://www.fundsquare.net/fund-tree?idInstr=294446
You regularly pull out of your azz. What prop firm offers ETF's?

You're constantly talking nonsense that has zero to do with the subject at hand. Trading via Prop Firms.

It like you're afflicted with Tourette's.
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  • #32,419
  • Mar 2, 2024 3:18pm Mar 2, 2024 3:18pm
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} You regularly pull out of your azz. What prop firm offers ETF's? You're constantly talking nonsense that has zero to do with the subject at hand. Trading via Prop Firms. It like you're afflicted with Tourette's.
tradethepool does Einstein. this harkens back to your reading comprehension issues, did you score a 500 on the SAT ?
  • #32,420
  • Mar 2, 2024 3:25pm Mar 2, 2024 3:25pm
Quoting Markula
{quote} tradethepool does Einstein. this harkens back to your reading comprehension issues, did you score a 500 on the SAT ?
You never suggested TTP when you said that nonesense did you?

Take another guess why TTP is not even discussed as a viable prop firm here, or pretty much anywhere.

You have zero knowledge or experience what’s being discussed here.
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