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  • #30,161
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:17am Feb 12, 2024 11:17am
Quoting pipmaster77
Now the big issue with the firms who ceased accepting NEW clients from US, but others may continue..... When going from pahse 1 to phase 2, new credentials are issued......same from phase 2 to live. Some firms (most) issue new credentials when you scale. There is conflicting info due to these technically being new accounts, a trader will be stopped at end of current phase. So if you are in phase 1 or 2 with a firm which recently banned new USA clients, it may be pointless to continue.....
in general the props are 0 conflicted with the us rules, because its a damn trading game in a gaming account unconnected to a market (at least for all that dont place trades in real market, whats near all in currency trading).so prop has near nothing to do with real market trading. so should not work any regulations for this, but of course its a welcome reason to kick someone profitable out. any reason they will use for kick someone out, true or wrong reasons, doesnt matter. traders in profit eat their wins, the bigger you eat the more you get the problem, first they take care of biggest eaters until they come in good enough profit margin.
  • #30,162
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:25am Feb 12, 2024 11:25am
Quoting Olarion1975
Does anyone know if the consistency score at FTMO can ever reach 100%? {image}
UPDATE:
Discpline pays off, close to passing Phase 1 on this FTMO account. Been trading this challenge account since 25.10.23, only 0,5% risk per trade.
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  • #30,163
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:26am Feb 12, 2024 11:26am
Quoting Nsak3y
{quote}-Technically, the daily draw-down is 50%, right? And you are flipping a prop account at least once to get funded. It's not much different. When you are funded, though, you get a refund, so you can even trade with 0 risk. But yes, I was speaking about personal brokerage account.
No,

What i mean is :

A prop account 100k is basically 5k capital account. ( 5 % daily drawdown limit breach )

A personal account of 5 k capital is similar to 100 k prop account. A 2 % account growth is 100 $ x 20 days = 2000 $.

A good trading system can provide more growth, say 4 to 5 % in a day.

An average 2 % ROI is good number though.

A personal 5k account can be traded as soon as the account is funded. From day 1 , the profit grows.

A prop account 100k is just a challenge account.

One needs to pass phase 1, and 2 to reach funded stage which gives 5 k capital.

So, all depends on individual interest what he wants.
Intraday only.
  • #30,164
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:30am Feb 12, 2024 11:30am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} in general the props are 0 conflicted with the us rules, because its a damn trading game in a gaming account unconnected to a market (at least for all that dont place trades in real market, whats near all in currency trading).so prop has near nothing to do with real market trading. so should not work any regulations for this, but of course its a welcome reason to kick someone profitable out. any reason they will use for kick someone out, true or wrong reasons, doesnt matter. traders in profit eat their wins, the bigger you eat the more you...
Not speaking of the props kicking traders out. I am speaking of the Metaquotes ban on US clients issue.
  • #30,165
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:35am Feb 12, 2024 11:35am
Quoting Olarion1975
{quote} UPDATE: Discpline pays off, close to passing Phase 1 on this FTMO account. Been trading this challenge account since 25.10.23, only 0,5% risk per trade. {image}
Nice going, but would that be 0.5% of the alleged account size (200K), or 0.5% of the actual account size in terms of what you are allowed to lose?

I suspect the former, which means you are actually risking 5% per trade, just so you are clear on that.
  • #30,166
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:39am Feb 12, 2024 11:39am
Quoting navk
{quote} No, What i mean is : A prop account 100k is basically 5k capital account. ( 5 % daily drawdown limit breach ) A personal account of 5 k capital is similar to 100 k prop account. A 2 % account growth is 100 $ x 20 days = 2000 $. A good trading system can provide more growth, say 4 to 5 % in a day. An average 2 % ROI is good number though. A personal 5k account can be traded as soon as the account is funded. From day 1 , the profit grows. A prop account 100k is just a challenge account. One needs to pass phase 1, and 2 to reach funded stage...
with a 2 % average ROI daily you are the best trader in the world. not one i know got this number consistent over longer time. and you even say 4-5% is only a good grow daily in average for a standard trading system . what is a very good grow for you? 10% daily in average???? how you can justify this numbers without being best trader in the world? at least you should sit on 10-100 million wins from last years to justify this numbers.

maybe you speak about inconsistent get this wins by higher risk for get this 5% a day?

i have only seen this from latency arbitrage models or other "fake" trade options , who not really trade, more try to cheat around broker. and so many fail with this of course by withdraw money when not done with direct LP agreements.
  • #30,167
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:41am Feb 12, 2024 11:41am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} with a 2 % average ROI daily you are the best trader in the world. not one i know got this number consistent over longer time. and you even say 4-5% is only a good grow daily in average for a standard trading system . what is a very good grow for you? 10% daily in average???? how you can justify this numbers without being best trader in the world? at least you should sit on 10-100 million wins from last years to justify this numbers. maybe you speak about inconsistent get this wins by higher risk for get this 5% a day? i have only seen this...
for some people ( 5 % winners ) possible.
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  • #30,168
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:46am Feb 12, 2024 11:46am
Quoting navk
{quote} for some people ( 5 % winners ) possible.
i met so many and not one was near this number of 5 % daily average win you mention, not one! not even one did know someone who ever did.
maybe some crypto investor holding longterm (or some stocks) , but thats not trading, thats long term investing (with even needs luck).

do you really know what 5 % daily average win mean? you know that so you get from 100 more then 1 million in one year (and there are not limits with increasing amounts until this low million account size)?
dont believe numbers you read somewhere or someone tell you, you need to see it in Account over 3,5,10 .. years. then you know, rest is just the 99% fake you read anywhere.

i think you did not know one, you even think for 5% the winners possible. Trust me, your math is totally wrong in this point. i dont want sound like teacher, but this is a total big mistake you need to take look over very hard. because such a basic error can produce follow errors in very big money losses.

maybe ask anyone here about this, if they know only one do 5% daily average consistent over long time (and you even mentioned 5% of the winners have this numbers and can do so), so you get more easy trust in my answer.
  • #30,169
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:50am Feb 12, 2024 11:50am
Quoting navk
No, What i mean is...
-Not sure what you are going on about. But I can say that those that are flipping 2k accounts like this are risking more than 4% to 5% per day. It's not for the faint of heart or the newbie trader. In fact, I would not even recommend it for most traders. One should have sufficient capital reserves; if losing 2k is difficult, then don't do it. If your win-rate is not above 80%, then don't do it.
  • #30,170
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:51am Feb 12, 2024 11:51am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} i met so many and not one was near this number of 5 % daily average win you mention, not one! not even one did know someone who ever did. maybe some crypto investor holding longterm (or some stocks) , but thats not trading, thats long term investing (with even needs luck). do you really know what 5 % daily average win mean? you know that so you get from 100 more then 1 million in one year (and there are not limits with increasing amounts until this low million account size)? dont believe numbers you read somewhere or someone tell you, you...
I said, an average 2 % ROI is definitely possible.

My calculation is based on that.
Intraday only.
  • #30,171
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:52am Feb 12, 2024 11:52am
Quoting Trader191
i met so many and not one was near this number of 5 % daily average win you mention, not one! not even one did know someone who ever did.
-5% per day is very easy. Not giving it all back is the hard part. Learning how to lose properly is the real game.
  • #30,172
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:52am Feb 12, 2024 11:52am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} i met so many and not one was near this number of 5 % daily average win you mention, not one! not even one did know someone who ever did. maybe some crypto investor holding longterm (or some stocks) , but thats not trading, thats long term investing (with even needs luck). do you really know what 5 % daily average win mean? you know that so you get from 100 more then 1 million in one year (and there are not limits with increasing amounts until this low million account size)? dont believe numbers you read somewhere or someone tell you, you...
He hasn't a clue, of course, short term it can be done. Long term no way. $1,000 becomes almost 6 million in 9 months at 5% daily compounded.
Now, as nsak3y mentioned, to take 2K and flip it several times and pull out 30-40K, knowing you are often going to blow the 2K.....sure, very doable.
However, if even 1% daily compounded consistently were possible, there would be no market.
  • #30,173
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:54am Feb 12, 2024 11:54am
Quoting Nsak3y
{quote}-Not sure what you are going on about. But I can say that those that are flipping 2k accounts like this are risking more than 4% to 5% per day. It's not for the faint of heart or the newbie trader. In fact, I would not even recommend it for most traders. One should have sufficient capital reserves; if losing 2k is difficult, then don't do it. If your win-rate is not above 80%, then don't do it.
The plan should be like this.

5k deposit.
100 $ profit ( 2 % ) consistent.

For 20 days, 20 x 100 $ = 2000 $.

Remove 2k profit and deposit the amount in mt4 account no. 2.

Repeat like this every month.

Once 2 % profit is gained, close mt4 for that day.
Intraday only.
  • #30,174
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:55am Feb 12, 2024 11:55am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} He hasn't a clue, of course, short term it can be done. Long term no way. $1,000 becomes almost 6 million in 9 months at 5% daily compounded. Now, as nsak3y mentioned, to take 2K and flip it several times and pull out 30-40K, knowing you are often going to blow the 2K.....sure, very doable. However, if even 1% daily compounded consistently were possible, there would be no market.
I would say, there are 5 % winners. For them it is possible to make 2 % consistent.
Intraday only.
  • #30,175
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:56am Feb 12, 2024 11:56am
Quoting navk
{quote} I said, an average 2 % ROI is definitely possible. My calculation is based on that.
2% is same very high, and 5% you told was good. even the 2% will not work , how many times you have 50 times your account on end of year, so 5000 % each year?

i dont know if you really calculate the number correct. thats insane numbers and i would have heard your name from my broker in the market, because you would trade very big already in only some years, at least when you do currencies.
  • #30,176
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:57am Feb 12, 2024 11:57am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} 2% is same very high, and 5% you told was good. even the 2% will not work , how many times you have 50 times your account on end of year, so 5000 % each year? i dont know if you really calculate the number correct. thats insane numbers and i would have heard your name from my broker in the market, because you would trade very big already in only some years, at least when you do currencies.
I have no reply for you. sorry.
Intraday only.
  • #30,177
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:57am Feb 12, 2024 11:57am
Quoting navk
{quote} I would say, there are 5 % winners. For them it is possible to make 2 % consistent.
never ever!!!never ever ever ever!

thats a total dream, from this 5 % winners are 50% near break even winner.

you need to recalculate anything you have done based on this numbers.
  • #30,178
  • Feb 12, 2024 11:58am Feb 12, 2024 11:58am
Quoting navk
{quote} I have no reply for you. sorry.
of course not, its impossible true what you write here.
  • #30,179
  • Feb 12, 2024 12:00pm Feb 12, 2024 12:00pm
Quoting navk
I would say, there are 5 % winners. For them it is possible to make 2 % consistent.
-Nobody should expect to churn out 2% to 5% daily returns without losing from time-to-time. Eventually, you're going to lose. How much you consistently give back to the market will determine your overall success as a trader. Withdraw profits regularly.
  • #30,180
  • Feb 12, 2024 12:01pm Feb 12, 2024 12:01pm
Quoting Trader191
{quote} never ever!!!never ever ever ever! thats a total dream, from this 5 % winners are 50% near break even winner. you need to recalculate anything you have done based on this numbers.
If you say making consistent 2 % ( 100 $ ) in a 5 k is impossible, how do you dream of becoming funded trader by securing 13 % profit ?

I am sure, one would try to make 13 % in 5 days and loose challenge account.
Intraday only.
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