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  • #25,381
  • Nov 2, 2023 4:07pm Nov 2, 2023 4:07pm
On Apex, buy 20 * 50K as gradually as you'd like (whenever there is a sale), pay the $140 lifetime(no more fees ever).
You now have 50K DD.
Trade Dow micros one per account *20 so $10 point....take each account to 8K, pull out $5K each........you have $3 K DD per account....60K total DD "locked", no trail.........trade as if it is your own live account.
If NAS I'd trade $20/point, 10 micros, so alternate between groups of 10 accounts, S&P, $50 point, same concept, 10 micros, alternate 2 groups of 10.
This is the simplest I can make it.
  • #25,382
  • Edited 4:27pm Nov 2, 2023 4:16pm | Edited 4:27pm
Quoting sampat
{quote} I dont understand logic of using 300K account even if you pass in 1st month for simple reason, one still needs to make 7.5K to withdraw 3.5K and trailing threshold still exists. With 50K life time fees is 140$ where as 300K it is around 350$. Lesser the target lesser threshold for trailing drawdown faster withdrawal. One can get 20 accounts which you can easily rotate if you want high risk trades... People tend to forget one thing in futures there is trailing drawdown not like forex firms where drawdown is static. So trader has to make same...
for the 300K, will be 130$ per month for the plan + 85 or 105$ for the funded account fee, so not more than 215/235 vs 50K 120/140$

Quoting pipmaster77
On Apex, buy 20 * 50K as gradually as you'd like (whenever there is a sale), pay the $140 lifetime(no more fees ever). You now have 50K DD. Trade Dow micros one per account *20 so $10 point....take each account to 8K, pull out $5K each........you have $3 K DD per account....60K total DD "locked", no trail.........trade as if it is your own live account. If NAS I'd trade $20/point, 10 micros, so alternate between groups of 10 accounts, S&P, $50 point, same concept, 10 micros, alternate 2 groups of 10. This is the simplest I can make it.
what you say make sense, unfortunately I have an hedge only on Sp500, so my micro is bigger than others indexes but I don't care. I cannot so switch to a smaller future than that. But is a good tip for other traders, think to it to trade a smaller value future.

Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} I just got confirmed you can buy unlimited EVAL accounts only the PA funded accounts are limited to 20 active ones. So basically you can do your payouts on the 50k first and when you are finished with the 300k accounts you can replace them with the 50k accounts. So all in all you can get more payouts faster with this approach.
The offer end 7th november.

If you buy now a 25K+50K+300K you start to have a "cost" recurring each month. You can't wait, you have to put to work them since the 1st day.

Finally: APEX IS GETTING HOT TOPIC HERE

1. I have a ticket and waiting answer why in the eval is not trailing my account

2. I attach a MAC version set up of Tradovate. I use via web (chrome) and MAC APP. May be some mac user can like it.
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  • #25,383
  • Nov 2, 2023 4:27pm Nov 2, 2023 4:27pm
Quoting pipmaster77
On Apex, buy 20 * 50K as gradually as you'd like (whenever there is a sale), pay the $140 lifetime(no more fees ever). You now have 50K DD. Trade Dow micros one per account *20 so $10 point....take each account to 8K, pull out $5K each........you have $3 K DD per account....60K total DD "locked", no trail.........trade as if it is your own live account. If NAS I'd trade $20/point, 10 micros, so alternate between groups of 10 accounts, S&P, $50 point, same concept, 10 micros, alternate 2 groups of 10. This is the simplest I can make it.
Well said, plus the psychology of losses on these smaller accounts isn't so much an issue. With the bigger ones, especially 300k it is. Like the saying goes, "It's not about how much you can make, but what you can keep. Spreading the risk across multiple smaller accounts makes sense. Trying to hit home runs on a bigger account takes its toll. It will blow up in record time.

Its not about the math, its about the gray matter between the ears.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #25,384
  • Nov 2, 2023 4:27pm Nov 2, 2023 4:27pm
Quoting forexbali
{quote} The offer end 7th november. If you buy now a 25K+50K+300K you start to have a "cost" recurring each month. You can't wait, you have to put to work them since the 1st day.
Yes but when you copy you get faster your funded account on the 50k ones. So then you get your first payout also faster before you finished the 300k ones. That way you can make sure to profit most from actual discount and also make the most payout possible here. I hope this is clear and not difficult to get it. For me it is clear.
  • #25,385
  • Nov 2, 2023 4:39pm Nov 2, 2023 4:39pm
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} Yes but when you copy you get faster your funded account on the 50k ones. So then you get your first payout also faster before you finished the 300k ones. That way you can make sure to profit most from actual discount and also make the most payout possible here. I hope this is clear and not difficult to get it. For me it is clear.
So you are confirming that a "mix" and the use of 50K have a sense, better than to be 100% all in on 300Ks ?
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  • #25,386
  • Nov 2, 2023 4:43pm Nov 2, 2023 4:43pm
Quoting pipmaster77
On Apex, buy 20 * 50K as gradually as you'd like (whenever there is a sale), pay the $140 lifetime(no more fees ever). You now have 50K DD. Trade Dow micros one per account *20 so $10 point....take each account to 8K, pull out $5K each........you have $3 K DD per account....60K total DD "locked", no trail.........trade as if it is your own live account. If NAS I'd trade $20/point, 10 micros, so alternate between groups of 10 accounts, S&P, $50 point, same concept, 10 micros, alternate 2 groups of 10. This is the simplest I can make it.
Till APEX is alive, I see my unique chance to make some payout.

This offer at -90% and -80% is amazing. Anyone remember if in the past they made some good offer like this for everyone?

This offer is just for "new customers", so next time, we would not be able to buy it at such discount. But I hope that at some black friday, Christmas, New Year, Eastern and so on they will do some good discount. Frankly at full price is not for every trader budget to think to buy 2-3-5-10-20 eval with regulators targeting everything.
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  • #25,387
  • Nov 2, 2023 4:44pm Nov 2, 2023 4:44pm
Quoting forexbali
{quote} So you are confirming that a "mix" and the use of 50K have a sense, better than to be 100% all in on 300Ks ?
Yes, because you can trade both same time and you can buy 40 EVAL accounts. I did not know that before. Because you are only limited to 20 active funded accounts.
  • #25,388
  • Nov 2, 2023 4:58pm Nov 2, 2023 4:58pm
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} Yes, because you can trade both same time and you can buy 40 EVAL accounts. I did not know that before. Because you are only limited to 20 active funded accounts.
Yes but doesn't make sense. If you trade together and then you pass all 40 of them, you can get only 20 funded. So you will lose money on the other 20.

I don't think anyone is thinking to buy more than 20 eval, if buy more, it's because to test more ways to pass then with different strategies, but again this mean that a trader doesn't have sure which is a good strategy to pass the evals with consistency. My idea. Then you can explain why you would use 40 evals, if the funded limit is 20.
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  • #25,389
  • Nov 2, 2023 5:00pm Nov 2, 2023 5:00pm
Quoting forexbali
{quote} Yes but doesn't make sense. If you trade together and then you pass all 40 of them, you can get only 20 funded. So you will lose money on the other 20. I don't think anyone is thinking to buy more than 20 eval, if buy more, it's because to test more ways to pass then with different strategies, but again this mean that a trader doesn't have sure which is a good strategy to pass the evals with consistency. My idea. Then you can explain why you would use 40 evals, if the funded limit is 20.
No, if you pass 20*50k you get them also to first payout when you already passed 20*300k, because you need to do twice as much flipping on the 300k. Then you take all the profits from the 50k for payout, until nearly nothing is left. Violate those then you have free 20 accounts for the 300k coming and trade then those on PA funded.
  • #25,390
  • Nov 2, 2023 5:03pm Nov 2, 2023 5:03pm
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} No, if you pass 20*50k you get them also to first payout when you already passed 20*300k, because you need to do twice as much flipping on the 300k. Then you take all the profits from the 50k for payout, until nearly nothing is left. Violate those then you have free 20 accounts for the 300k coming and trade then those on PA funded.
I understood. Yes I imagined you had that idea. But we are speaking of a very big investment in this weak unregulated prop business.

But with a 90% discount, it make sense.
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  • #25,391
  • Nov 2, 2023 5:19pm Nov 2, 2023 5:19pm
Apex mania i hope at least one of you guys get to your payout. I just don't get it how you survive this trailing dd. I believe you can make profits with end of day trailing dd, but equity monitored during session is killing factor here. Anyway all the best, will follow posts to see how this ends.
  • #25,392
  • Nov 2, 2023 5:32pm Nov 2, 2023 5:32pm
Quoting forexbali
{quote} This offer is just for "new customers"
Are you sure?
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  • #25,393
  • Nov 2, 2023 5:35pm Nov 2, 2023 5:35pm
Quoting youngD
Apex mania i hope at least one of you guys get to your payout. I just don't get it how you survive this trailing dd. I believe you can make profits with end of day trailing dd, but equity monitored during session is killing factor here. Anyway all the best, will follow posts to see how this ends.
thank you to you for the good luck, it seem very fast, and to work with futures is finally much better to get this stressfull test with spread different from broker to broker to MT5, perhaps for scalping MT5 and prop programs are not good at all... with spreads that can double from one prop to another, or spread so large that you can't scalp or take a 0.05-0.10% move of sp500 without lose in spreads 30-40% of your profits, plus bad slippage, etc etc

so let's hope it work, till this props are alive.
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  • #25,394
  • Nov 2, 2023 5:35pm Nov 2, 2023 5:35pm
Quoting Artcool
{quote} Are you sure?
yes I will find for you this and show. Give me some minutes.
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  • #25,395
  • Nov 2, 2023 5:41pm Nov 2, 2023 5:41pm
Quoting Artcool
{quote} Are you sure?
He is mistaken, again. You can either "reset" and pay the reset fee, (which nobody ever does) or cancel your current subscription then buy a new one with the same 90% or whatever discount code. It's discussed at length on all their socials.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #25,396
  • Nov 2, 2023 5:42pm Nov 2, 2023 5:42pm
maybe scalping is the way. Didn't think about it that way. ES is very liquid and good for that. Good luck.
  • #25,397
  • Nov 2, 2023 5:49pm Nov 2, 2023 5:49pm
Quoting youngD
maybe scalping is the way. Didn't think about it that way. ES is very liquid and good for that. Good luck.
You have to close out at EOD so its all intraday. The most liquid times is after the opening bell at 9:30 am EST. DOW, NQ and ES liquidity piles in then. Its a little jiggy at the open so waiting a bit to see which direction it choses helps. Its honesty the easiest money ever. You don't have to be in it for too long either to make decent money.
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  • #25,398
  • Nov 2, 2023 5:56pm Nov 2, 2023 5:56pm
Quoting pipmaster77
I also see nothing regarding IP buullshit, average costing in or out, etc.....basically all of the bullshit the fx props pull is not existent.
-Do you think that this is because the futures props are subscription-based? I always thought that remote fx props would be better off if they were structured this way.
  • #25,399
  • Nov 2, 2023 8:37pm Nov 2, 2023 8:37pm
Hi,
can someone who lives in Germany tell me if it is allowed to trade with futures in a prop firm? since as far as i know trading with Futures in Germany is forbidden...

it would also help me a lot to know what description I have to put when i register a business in case i pass the evaluation and i have to sign a contract with the prop firm because it's mandatory in Germany because I have to issue invoices for each payment i get..
  • #25,400
  • Nov 2, 2023 9:26pm Nov 2, 2023 9:26pm
Question today i saw bespoke 120k payout thing. Is there any truth to it ??? or just a marketing thing??
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