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  • #741
  • Jul 27, 2023 4:20pm Jul 27, 2023 4:20pm
Quoting sisucoro
I keep trading what I learned here, with good results, I'm not millonarie yet nor even profitable, croncretly I'm now in a phase that I win what I lose and I lose what I win, more or less at breakeven. Since B.Mir droped I was been in the aussi tread learning and sharing with the boys, lot of fun, slow learning but never stagnated. I started trading at feb 2022 so I think that I have a good rithm. Funny that this tread was resurrected just today, yesterday was been rereading the pdf that blacknaptkins made and it's helping a lot to catch some of...
Hey pal, if you ever want to get on zoom let me know. Just dm me . Dont go looking for somebugger who wants money from you
  • #742
  • Jul 27, 2023 5:26pm Jul 27, 2023 5:26pm
Quoting Oliver.Twist
{quote} I had forgotten about this thread... Funny how some things get all the hype, then out of a sudden falls into oblivion. I was curious at the time where this thread would lead to, so I made up a compelling story when filling up the survey. Probably like many, I ended up being part of the "lucky XX". And didn't follow through when one of the first thing that was discussed was a "donation" of, wait for it, 10% of the person's annual income. This is coming from OP, who was clueless about trading one year previous to this thread, asking questions...
Very interesting...10% of annual income...wow...and some decided to take the deal

thanks for info
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  • #743
  • Jul 27, 2023 5:31pm Jul 27, 2023 5:31pm
Quoting sisucoro
I keep trading what I learned here, with good results, I'm not millonarie yet nor even profitable, croncretly I'm now in a phase that I win what I lose and I lose what I win, more or less at breakeven. Since B.Mir droped I was been in the aussi tread learning and sharing with the boys, lot of fun, slow learning but never stagnated. I started trading at feb 2022 so I think that I have a good rithm. Funny that this tread was resurrected just today, yesterday was been rereading the pdf that blacknaptkins made and it's helping a lot to catch some of...
You spent too much time among bullshitters and scammers...your thinking is obviously impaired.
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  • #744
  • Jul 28, 2023 8:54am Jul 28, 2023 8:54am
just like you for those kind words
  • #745
  • Edited 12:37pm Jul 29, 2023 11:25am | Edited 12:37pm
Quoting sisucoro
I keep trading what I learned here
What precisely did you learn here? He never taught anything!

Quoting sisucoro
with good results
Well that's good to know at least. How much?

Quoting sisucoro
I'm not millonarie yet
... Okay, but you've made hundreds of thousands, right?

Quoting sisucoro
nor even profitable
WTF?! You just said you had good results! How does not being profitable = good results???

Quoting sisucoro
I'm now in a phase that I win what I lose and I lose what I win, more or less at breakeven.
Soooo, let me get this straight... making ZERO dollars = 'good results' and a ringing endorsement of the non-teacher's non-methods??? Sisucoro, read these words carefully:

1. Open two accounts at the same broker.
2. Simultaneously buy 1 lot of EUR/USD on one account and sell 1 lot of EUR/USD on the other.
3. Come back here at the end of 2024 and tell everyone how great a teacher I was.

Quoting sisucoro
Since B.Mir droped I was been in the aussi tread learning
No, no you haven't. You haven't learned ANYTHING because (as you've admitted here) you are not profitable. This is to be expected, because Aussi's thread is like the special needs class for demonstrable liars, frauds and fantasy salesmen.

Quoting sisucoro
slow learning
What you actually mean is NO learning, not slow learning. I'll be charitable though and help you out. Please pay heed: The only lesson you need to learn from that thread is.... that there is nothing to learn on that thread.

Quoting sisucoro
I started trading at feb 2022 so I think that I have a good rithm.
You have been trading for a year and a half and have, self admittedly, made nothing. Yet at the same time you are singing high praises about B.Mir, Aussi, Digger and the rest of the clodhopping 'tard team. They all claim to be trading 100 and 1000 lot orders multiple times every day for years and win 100% of the time. They can pull off this miracle every single day even though they have the collective intelligence of a fruit fly. Also, they achieve this:

1. Without ever being mentioned in any of the Forbes Rich List editions.
2. Preferring to spend their days posting incomprehensible gibberish on Forex Factory rather than having orgies with the Swedish Bikini Team upon their diamond encrusted private jets.
3. While not being able to impart enough of their (cough, cough) trading wisdom to allow you to make one dollar.

And yet you don't seem to think there's anything strange about any of this. Hmm...

Quoting sisucoro
sadly that B.Mir droped, I see that he have a telegram link in his profile page, gonna send him a message let's see.
Why don't you make him an offer he can't refuse? You could tell him that you'll give him 99% of your annual income in exchange for his '100% accurate' method. Why are you frowning? That 1% would still be more than you're making now. It sounds like a great deal!!

Quoting sisucoro
a lot of people says that he was miracolous and jumped from asking questions to millionarie in just one year
Correct. It's almost as if the whole story is a steaming pile of

Quoting sisucoro
in the pdf aka his old posts he said that was been following digger for years before start posting, so there is a lot of work in the shadow before his first post
So if that were the case then why did he have to ask THIS (quote taken from B.Mir's very first post):

Quoting B.Mir
Here's a one hour chart of BTCUSD, could you please mark the areas of where you distinguish between shekels and runners. As in where exactly to enter and exit when it comes to both.
With all that accumulated knowledge that he'd gained from YEARS of following Digger, he still had to ask for EXACT ENTRIES AND EXITS when he finally emerged from the shadows! I wonder if he'd managed to achieve breakeven trades by this point in his career.

Quoting sisucoro
For now there are 2 types of person writing in this thread
Yep. Gullible dolts on the one hand and people smart enough to see and smell bullshit on the other. Unfortunately, you are within the former camp.

Quoting sisucoro
and the ones bitching about he is a scamer
Yes. That's those of us who don't need to be reminded to look both ways before crossing the road.

Quoting sisucoro
the ones that profit with the reading
Well, that's clearly not you, because you've told us that you are a breakeven trader after immersing yourself in these 'teachings' for eighteen months.

Quoting sisucoro
for now nobody denounced being scamed by him so that's absolute bullshit
Oliver.Twist denounced almost being scammed by him on the last page of this thread:

Quoting Oliver.Twist
I was curious at the time where this thread would lead to, so I made up a compelling story when filling up the survey. Probably like many, I ended up being part of the "lucky XX". And didn't follow through when one of the first thing that was discussed was a "donation" of, wait for it, 10% of the person's annual income. This is coming from OP, who was clueless about trading one year previous to this thread... Makes me think, knowing the cyclical nature of those scams, there should soon be another similar guru willing to share his secret knowledge,...
As for the others, we don't know if ANYBODY was stupid enough to agree to his insane terms and conditions. If they were then I doubt they'd be in much of a hurry to come back here and say, "hey you guys, guess what? I agreed to sending B.Mir 10% of my annual income for life before being taught a damn thing and after signing it all he showed me were some fibonacci retracements. Durrrrrr....."

Quoting sisucoro
so you all can go to fuck off.
Now, now. There's no need for that. Don't be jealous of us just because your mother still has to wipe you chin.

Quoting sisucoro
would like to add that what he teaches works
... Just not well enough to make you more than a breakeven trader after a year and a half of 'learning'.

Quoting sisucoro
I don't know if it's the best way to trade
It's not. It's

Quoting sisucoro
but with what is shared here everyone can improve his trading
I can see the TV commercial in my head:

"For the small price of you too can be like Sisucoro and make absolutely NOTHING! ZERO! NADA! Order this course today whilst stocks last!!"

Quoting sisucoro
so nothing bad with nothing written by the opp, then there are any damn problem here.
This sentence makes no sense whatsoever in the English language. I see now why you are an ideal student for B.Mir, Aussi and their ilk.

Just remember to try out my strategy from earlier and come back in a year and tell everyone how amazing I am. Unlike B.Mir, I'm not even charging you for this incredible information!!!
  • #746
  • Jul 29, 2023 3:40pm Jul 29, 2023 3:40pm
Quoting 4XPhuq-R
{quote} What precisely did you learn here? He never taught anything! {quote} Well that's good to know at least. How much? {quote} ... Okay, but you've made hundreds of thousands, right? {quote} WTF?! You just said you had good results! How does not being profitable = good results??? {quote} Soooo, let me get this straight... making ZERO dollars = 'good results' and a ringing endorsement of the non-teacher's non-methods??? Sisucoro, read these...
lol...very entertaining and also very real...but you just lost your time, because he is like a mule. I also showed him undeniable proofs, logical arguments, common sense stuff etc. about what is happening on that thread, but with 0 success. Anyway, he will figure it out eventually.
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  • #747
  • Jul 29, 2023 4:20pm Jul 29, 2023 4:20pm
Quoting 4XPhuq-R
{quote} As for the others, we don't know if ANYBODY was stupid enough to agree to his insane terms and conditions. If they were then I doubt they'd be in much of a hurry to come back here and say, "hey you guys, guess what? I agreed to sending B.Mir 10% of my annual income for life before being taught a damn thing and after signing it all he showed me were some fibonacci retracements. Durrrrrr....."

oh, but we know: "AUSSI" my thread and anything I want to put here | Page 1992 | Metals Mine, posted by clown, which perfectly corelates with what Oliver.Twist shared.

only that aussi immediately banned the poster and minimized the post...I wonder why

these guys wont come back and share their experience, because they signed an NDA...go figure.
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  • #748
  • Jul 29, 2023 4:30pm Jul 29, 2023 4:30pm
Quoting bfx17
{quote} lol...very entertaining and also very real...but you just lost your time, because he is like a mule. I also showed him undeniable proofs, logical arguments, common sense stuff etc. about what is happening on that thread, but with 0 success. Anyway, he will figure it out eventually.
I wrote what I wrote for my own enjoyment and for people like yourself, so it wasn't so big a waste. Believe me, I will not be replying a million times if he comes back to 'prove me wrong'. This thread is already 747 posts longer than it should be.
  • #749
  • Jul 30, 2023 1:42am Jul 30, 2023 1:42am
Quoting sisucoro
I keep trading what I learned here, with good results, I'm not millonarie yet nor even profitable, ...
Honestly I don't know why you're defending BMir tooth and nail like that, despite all that has been shown. Since you seem to be of the naïve type, maybe you're secretly wishing OP is going to come back to this thread one day, see what a good and venerable minion you have been, and take you on board his fantasy world of head and shoulders and timetables.

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At the time you had a spark of lucidity, and yes I concur it looked strange to ask 10% of annual income out of the blue. To say the least.

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So the logic is: "I want to teach for free, so now that I have my private group on Telegram, I ask for a fee of 10% of the annual income"... ??
At this point it is beyond laughable.
But the worst part is, some still seem to try and find excuses to this kind of obvious scammy behavior. Of course this was planned from the very first post of this thread. It just seems you (and others) have completely lost every ounce of common sense in you.

This is the same type of behavior you find in "mystic healers" that advertise to be able to cure terminal conditions like cancer: It's so obvious that it's all B.S., yet people still fall into it because sometimes "hope" makes you lose all common sense. And here & in other threads, some people hope that a trading guru will be able to share some hidden knowledge, and that person will finally be able to have financial abundance and turn his life around. And anything that stands between the naïve trader & his dream will be either discarded completely, or fought tooth and nail because it goes against inner beliefs.

I am only saying all this to help you & anyone else with the same condition as you. My advise would be to spend less time in clown threads advertising to trade hundreds of lots in gold in demo accounts, and spend more time listening to ACTUAL traders. If you have time, go and watch some of the many videos from the SMB Capital youtube channel (prop firm founded by Mike Bellafiore). They have experienced prop traders that go through actual trade setups, using price levels and price action (and volume, plus things like news catalysts to screen for certain instruments, etc). In the "bar by bar" video series, they go through all the thinking process by analyzing price action, how price reacts at certain levels like VWAP, etc... That will be a thousand times more constructive for you in your trading development, even if you don't trade the same instruments.

Then, go and watch hundreds of trader interviews from Chat With Traders podcast. Interviews of ACTUAL traders, going through their approach to the markets & thought process, how they approach risk, etc.

I have listened to around 90% of the 260+ episodes, some a few times because they're just so good & informative. And I have never come across an actual trader who talks about the hidden secrets of the markets, some mystical knowledge that only a select few are aware of, but can only be shared via a private Telegram group.
Imagine that: out of all those interviews (and hundreds more from "Better System Trader" podcast), not a single one has asked the listeners to contact him in order to join a private group where, for a small but honest fee, he will share his secret knowledge to "give back to the community". No, it seems that only in forums like ForexFactory you can find people making such obviously BS claims.
  • #750
  • Jul 30, 2023 4:41am Jul 30, 2023 4:41am
Quoting Oliver.Twist
{quote} Honestly I don't know why you're defending BMir tooth and nail like that, despite all that has been shown. Since you seem to be of the naïve type, maybe you're secretly wishing OP is going to come back to this thread one day, see what a good and venerable minion you have been, and take you on board his fantasy world of head and shoulders and timetables. {image} At the time you had a spark of lucidity, and yes I concur it looked strange to ask 10% of annual income out of the blue. To say the least. {image} So the logic is: "I want to teach...
There aint many people who do anything for free. I do but maybe i am just wasting my time and i never liked B.mir
  • #751
  • Jul 30, 2023 6:29am Jul 30, 2023 6:29am
Quoting Oliver.Twist
{quote}At the time you had a spark of lucidity


Can I ask you, when you filled out B.Mir's survey and your story convinced him that you were a potentially suitable candidate for apprenticeship, HOW did he broach the subject of the 10% annual income? Did he send an email or was it via Telegram/Discord/Skype/Zoom, etc? Bfx17 showed a link to some messenger service that I'm unfamilar with, but I don't know if he used the same method across the board.

Also, did you deal with him one-to-one or did he create a private group?

Lastly, when you told him to shove his 10% offer up his ass, did he respond again to ask you to reconsider or try to convince you that you were making a mistake? Sorry for all these questions. I'm just interested to know what the process was, because he really had a huge ego and even though I'm not a fan of reality television, this kind of manipulation of the chronically stupid intrigues me.

P.S.
When I say 'chronically stupid' I am obviously not referring to you! I know that you too were playing a game with him and had no intention of paying him any money.
  • #752
  • Jul 30, 2023 7:13am Jul 30, 2023 7:13am
Quoting T721
{quote} There aint many people who do anything for free. I do but maybe i am just wasting my time and i never liked B.mir
No you are not, i have been with you few times and i am very grateful, learned a lot. In life usually we receive what we give (karma), maybe thatīs the reason you still
in the businness after so long, and so sucessful. When greed and ego takes over and plays a role among others, is never a good sign.

Thanks so much T...
  • #753
  • Jul 30, 2023 7:19am Jul 30, 2023 7:19am
Quoting Thenew
{quote} No you are not, i have been with you few times and i am very grateful, learned a lot. In life usually we receive what we give (karma), maybe thatīs the reason you still in the businness after so long, and so sucessful. When greed and ego takes over and plays a role among others, is never a good sign. Thanks so much T...
Thank you pal, i hope you took something from the zoom sessions. But more importantly have practised what i showed you. Remember i dont know it all and after a zoom with me you need to go and try to prove me wrong. YES thats right, PROVE ME WRONG..... if you cant then and only then you may have something to work with. And remember you can zoom any weekend with me if we can get a suitable time
  • #754
  • Jul 30, 2023 8:35am Jul 30, 2023 8:35am
Quoting Oliver.Twist
{quote} Honestly I don't know why you're defending BMir tooth and nail like that, despite all that has been shown. Since you seem to be of the naïve type, maybe you're secretly wishing OP is going to come back to this thread one day, see what a good and venerable minion you have been, and take you on board his fantasy world of head and shoulders and timetables. {image} At the time you had a spark of lucidity, and yes I concur it looked strange to ask 10% of annual income out of the blue. To say the least. {image} So the logic is: "I want...
And me too, at least not at this point, a year ago yes because maybe a bunch of us can keep alive the tread and keep learning together using this tread, was seen another times that the op desapeared but the tread keeped alive because other users continued posting. Nowadays seems that I do it by inertia and you are right that I should stop doing it, actually friday was thinking about not posting anymore here.

I see that I have had multiple responses but cannot care less about them, just responding you because I remember you actually trying it when the thread was alive and I read from you interesting and useful stuff in other threads so you are a person of action that brings useful content to the table so I respect you a lot.

Respect keep following them, well, that's because this works for me, I landed here first and what I read from B.Mir makes sense for me and seen the potential can tome if I learn it, sadly he leaved it and wasn't able to keep doing, I jump to the aussi thread and since then was been there improving my trading skills there.

Remember yesterday reading that guy saying that how can I be doing good if I didn't earned any dollar (actually worse than that, cannot tell how many demodollar I lost and little live acounts I burned thinking I was ready but not) well, I think that sharing this video will be more clearer than just me trying to explain it it.
Inserted Video


when you can tell that he is good enough to be ''profitable''?,
are all the first stages a waste of time?
there are any ''method'' out there that he can jump directly to year ten?
don't know how he learned, but probably there is out there another teacher that can speed up the process and make him even more good nowadays, does this mean that he wasted his time trough his non optimal way of learning?

nothing more to add, hope next time I talk with you it is in a better environment and about more positive matters.

cheers
rip and tear until it's done
  • #755
  • Jul 30, 2023 10:14am Jul 30, 2023 10:14am
most fun thread on forexfactory
  • #756
  • Jul 30, 2023 11:30am Jul 30, 2023 11:30am
Quoting 4XPhuq-R
{quote} Can I ask you, when you filled out B.Mir's survey and your story convinced him that you were a potentially suitable candidate for apprenticeship, HOW did he broach the subject of the 10% annual income? Did he send an email or was it via Telegram/Discord/Skype/Zoom, etc? Bfx17 showed a link to some messenger service that I'm unfamilar with, but I don't know if he used the same method across the board. Also, did you deal with him one-to-one or did he create a private group? Lastly, when you told him to shove...
Regarding the subject of the 10%, the discussion was through the Telegram app. He simply pasted a template message that he had prepared for all members, where he listed things like what he will / will not do. As with any respectful scam, he stated he will not trade for the member, nor share his trade. Of course, since that would expose his incapacity to follow through on his claims.
With the usual bullshit you find in such scams, such as "I'm doing this to pass along my knowledge and I'm not getting any younger, blablabla".

Of course, it is stated that the 10% will go to "charitable purposes"... At that point he was trying so hard it was embarrassing.

I responded to the 10% thing saying I had 0 income because unemployed. So since 10% of 0 is 0, I suggested that I would give him 10% of my profit made from trading his system (which seems like a fair deal). But, oh how surprising, he did not seem interested. And the discussion pretty much ended there.

When you put all the elements together from the beginning, you get all the classic phases that scammers have shown time and time again in this forum & elsewhere. You have:
- Strong claims to get as many people interested as possible
- Take specific trading concepts, sometimes rebrand them to make the OP seem like he actually came up with something.
- Be mystical in some aspects, like for example you have discovered a hidden ratio, or a secret timetable, or a magical pattern that explains your outrageous success.
- Be very general and vague, so that when certain outcomes don't come out as expected, you can easily wiggle your way out. Here for example, B.Mir talked a lot about head & shoulders, without going into any specifics about what constitues a H&S, so it could be a 3 bar pattern, or a pattern spanning several days. Well guess what, I could pull a price level out of my ass right now, say on XAUUSD which is at 1959.02, and pull a level not too far, say 50-100 pips from there, and say "watch, price will react to that level". Well, there's a very high chance price will reach that level the next few days, and I can take any candlestick formation to prove that "see, price did react to that level".
- As soon as people ask to be more specific or ask questions which would reveal the scam, immediately say that you're not here to "spoon feed" the traders. The "no spoon feeding" card is essentially a joker to justify all the B.S. the guru is saying.
- Make up a compelling story about why you created a thread to share your knowledge, usually starting with wanting to "give back to the community". Makes you pass for someone selfless, with intentions to help the poor & the struggling traders. Borderline being a saint, actually. Sometimes, sprinkle in some details like having no children and not wanting to take your secret knowledge into the grave.
- Move the traffic you have gained from FF, to somewhere else where you can't be banned from commercial activities.
- Make some users feel special because they are part of the lucky few who will gain the knowledge that will bring financial abundance.
- Say that you are not doing that for the money, but ask for money (lol). For example, the usual excuse in that move is to be sure the person will be invested in the training phase.

With the years I have spent on FF, I have developed a pretty good "B.S. Meter", which got me interested in this thread in the first place. And like I have said previously, I sense that a new similar thread will start in the near future. It's the inevitable cyclical nature of those scams, you wait long enough for people to forget & pass on to something else, and a new member comes by willing to "give back to the community", with a mysterious approach.
  • #757
  • Jul 30, 2023 11:46am Jul 30, 2023 11:46am
Quoting sisucoro
{quote} And me too, at least not at this point, a year ago yes because maybe a bunch of us can keep alive the tread and keep learning together using this tread...s
I couldn't agree with you more on one point: That it takes time, practice & dedication to develop any meaningful skill, be it trading, drawing, woodworking, etc.
It's just that some sources are better than others to lean those skills, your learning will be more productive with certain people / groups, while others can actually be unhealthy for you.

It's also a question of expectations: If you join a guru / thread, believing that you will learn some magic levels & mystical ratios, you will enforce in your mindset that there is some secret you will gain by following said guru, and that once the knowledge gained you will bathe in the kingdom of profitability. That, unfortunately, will never be the reality of the markets.

A more sain approach is to always keep the notion of "common sense" in how you approach your trading journey.

T721 which I don't know personally be seems like a genuine honest person that is willing to help (yes, they still exist), has proposed that you going him in a 1-on-1 session. Have you followed through? This seems like an opportunity that is more productive that what you have experienced so far here & other threads.

There are no shortcuts in developing a trading skill. Only illusions & pretenders that actually deviate you from your goal.
  • #758
  • Jul 30, 2023 12:23pm Jul 30, 2023 12:23pm
Thank you Oliver. I appreciate the response, although I hope the second half of your post was directed in general to the Sisucoros of the world, as I am more than aware of the standard set of tricks employed by would-be scammers - originality is never part of their arsenal.

Quoting Oliver.Twist
Of course, it is stated that the 10% will go to "charitable purposes"... At that point he was trying so hard it was embarrassing.
Ha ha! Yeah, I'm sure that the charity in question would be the heretofore unknown 'B.Mir Early Retirement Fund.'
  • #759
  • Last Post: Jul 30, 2023 3:41pm Jul 30, 2023 3:41pm
Quoting Oliver.Twist
{quote] And like I have said previously, I sense that a new similar thread will start in the near future. It's the inevitable cyclical nature of those scams, you wait long enough for people to forget & pass on to something else, and a new member comes by willing to "give back to the community", with a mysterious approach.
Absolutely...and I already noticed a few good candidates, mainly on the Cable thread. It is a thread with good visibility and without OP, so no one can stop them. It wont take long...
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