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  • #17,761
  • Jul 13, 2023 11:25am Jul 13, 2023 11:25am
Quoting readme
FTMO has also gone for unlimited time. I am trying to figure out the type of traders that may take advantage of this change. Traders that risk a lot per trade and either pass the challenge in a few days or blow it up will not feel any difference. Traders that almost never pass a challenge, will likely continue on the same note. Traders that usually pass after one or more retakes have apparently some advantage here (at least I believe so). What are your views?
I believe you are exactly correct. No change for anyone other than those who pass through retake and/or extension. The advantadge on the retake is not having to start from scratch, although the extension accomplishes the same thing.
  • #17,762
  • Jul 13, 2023 11:27am Jul 13, 2023 11:27am
Quoting Capablanca
{quote} MFF announcement with more details: {image}
This is great news for disciplined traders but i dont think it'll make a difference for 99% of the traders. Most people lose accounts due to the daily max dd as they are going all in.
  • #17,763
  • Jul 13, 2023 11:27am Jul 13, 2023 11:27am
Why is no one reacting more to the 50% slash of leverage for indices with MFF. Tons of users trade only those instruments and now they must increase their cost 50% per order and risk of their capital. I suppose with the current DD structure it makes no difference to most traders in prop firms since they are limited to a specific lot structure and risk to not break the DD so they cannot use much of the capital anyhow.

This also kinda shows why the prop firm market do need competition. So the major leaders don't spiral out of control. But who knows what will happen now. Peak prop firms as it looks. Biggest prop firm in the market now says, 50% slash in leverage, higher entry fees. Are they trying to cover this up for the coming regulation as to look better to the SEC or whatever is coming to look into them now. As with the incoming CBDC regulation hunt to close down all crypto services which are not regulated in few years as it looks.

This is a wild theory. But the unlimited time period might all be planned as an excuse for the prop firms to put higher entry demands like fees and the lower leverage on indices, next up credit background checks to see if you are eligible to sign up with them. To comply with future regulations even more. Do not ever trust what you see in front of you, thats what ive learned.
  • #17,764
  • Jul 13, 2023 11:29am Jul 13, 2023 11:29am
City traders Imperium

Drawdown and profit targets aren't the best and they only have meta5 so not for me but a very reputable company that I've used in the past. They're celebrating 5 years in the prop space. Never heard a complaint about them. Anyways if it floats your boat they have a 25% birthday discount.
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  • #17,765
  • Jul 13, 2023 11:35am Jul 13, 2023 11:35am
Quoting Inception12
{quote} This is great news for disciplined traders but i dont think it'll make a difference for 99% of the traders. Most people lose accounts due to the daily max dd as they are going all in.
Here's how you know it won't make a difference..........
1. The % of folks that pass both phases and blow the account before ever getting a payout
2. The number of traders who reach 3, 4 or more payouts

Rememebr, there are NO TIME LIMITS on the funded accounts and yet 99% don't hold on to them.

It's the same issue folks have blowing up their personal accounts.....risk management and lack thereof.
  • #17,766
  • Jul 13, 2023 11:47am Jul 13, 2023 11:47am
Quoting Expo33
City traders Imperium Drawdown and profit targets aren't the best and they only have meta5 so not for me but a very reputable company that I've used in the past. They're celebrating 5 years in the prop space. Never heard a complaint about them. Anyways if it floats your boat they have a 25% birthday discount. {image}
I think I never considered them because of the max capital at 100K. But I'm doing 5ers, so why not joining them ?
So, they are reliable ? And any special/strange rules ? (I'm talking about 2 phase challenges)
  • #17,767
  • Jul 13, 2023 12:05pm Jul 13, 2023 12:05pm
Quoting Nsak3y
{quote}-I guess the affiliate link that you posted a few comments back must have been a mistake. And also the last 2 years posting in this thread pushing FTP in 99% of your posts. All just a misunderstanding, probably.
No I am not an affiliate. Sorry to rain on your parade.
No, I post because I think they are worth considering among those you all push here.
No I have no link to the 5% percenters or FTP - I simply think they are also great and will continue to promote them BOTH here and any additional props I come across that seem worthy of consideration.
I will keep posting when I feel it necessary to do so. Your little gang are not the only people who read this thread and I am sure they can make up their minds by a little research. If one or the other suits their needs then good. If not I am sure they can research other firms posted here by people who deem them worthy of consideration.
Happy researching to you all and choose what suits your profile of needs.
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  • #17,768
  • Jul 13, 2023 12:18pm Jul 13, 2023 12:18pm
I want to give my opinion with the rule change in FTMO, UNLIMITED TRADING PERIOD, this is positive for you as a company but bad for traders, it is a commercial strategy, that traders will realize, is better Free retakes and one free extension , then you're going to agree with me.
Do you want me to explain why?
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  • #17,769
  • Jul 13, 2023 12:33pm Jul 13, 2023 12:33pm
Quoting turnip15
{quote} No I am not an affiliate. Sorry to rain on your parade. No, I post because I think they are worth considering among those you all push here. No I have no link to the 5% percenters or FTP - I simply think they are also great and will continue to promote them BOTH here and any additional props I come across that seem worthy of consideration. I will keep posting when I feel it necessary to do so. Your little gang are not the only people who read this thread and I am sure they can make up their minds by a little research. If one or the other...
It's fine to come with alternatives. And if we tested them, it's even better. It's quite good to have other peoples experiences here, first hand pros and cons.

However, any time you will speak about FT+ you will get the same answer: trailing DD. This (for me personally) is an exclusion factor.

For 5 ers, as I said, I'm testing them. I don't like the 100K cap, specially because I don't use copiers and do all manually, but I decided to add those 100K because they seem a decent company to me. Maybe one day they will increase it and I'm already on board.
  • #17,770
  • Jul 13, 2023 12:35pm Jul 13, 2023 12:35pm
Classy Matt from MFFx. I can't believe that I once thought this guy was a decent person as a CEO. Takisd should be laughing at me (and he is right)
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This is still the remainings of all the bickering of last week.
  • #17,771
  • Jul 13, 2023 12:37pm Jul 13, 2023 12:37pm
Is it just me or people need to thank bespoke, I think they made the hype of no time limit now firms are copying.
  • #17,772
  • Jul 13, 2023 12:39pm Jul 13, 2023 12:39pm
I was here for the FTMO update. Still no time to help a lot.

A part of FTMO unlimited good news, any other news that I lost in the past 30-45 days? please let me know

thank you
in holiday till end of November
  • #17,773
  • Jul 13, 2023 12:46pm Jul 13, 2023 12:46pm
Quoting KoyaAndy18
Is it just me or people need to thank bespoke, I think they made the hype of no time limit now firms are copying.
If I remember well it was them and MFFx.

Anyway, Bespoke had a chance of growing with that hype and build a reputation in the industry but they completely failed.
  • #17,774
  • Jul 13, 2023 12:56pm Jul 13, 2023 12:56pm
Quoting Inception12
{quote} This is great news for disciplined traders but i dont think it'll make a difference for 99% of the traders. Most people lose accounts due to the daily max dd as they are going all in.
Agreed but most of those traders don't need prop firms
My personal opinion this feature is more leveraged towards prop firms as price will increase under illusion of every trader will take unlimited time.
  • #17,775
  • Jul 13, 2023 1:13pm Jul 13, 2023 1:13pm
its so funny. Firms adjust to what traders want, and now they bitch and moan. "WHY YOU ADJUST TO MAKE IT MAKE MORE SENSE>> HOW DARE YOU>>EVEN THOUGH ITS BETTER THAN OTHERS OMG GIVE US 30 DAYS BACK" hahahahahaha
  • #17,776
  • Jul 13, 2023 1:21pm Jul 13, 2023 1:21pm
Quoting Takisd
its so funny. Firms adjust to what traders want, and now they bitch and moan. "WHY YOU ADJUST TO MAKE IT MAKE MORE SENSE>> HOW DARE YOU>>EVEN THOUGH ITS BETTER THAN OTHERS OMG GIVE US 30 DAYS BACK" hahahahahaha
Is it always a case with any decisions in democracy some will shout and some will shit
  • #17,777
  • Jul 13, 2023 1:24pm Jul 13, 2023 1:24pm
Quoting Takisd
its so funny. Firms adjust to what traders want, and now they bitch and moan. "WHY YOU ADJUST TO MAKE IT MAKE MORE SENSE>> HOW DARE YOU>>EVEN THOUGH ITS BETTER THAN OTHERS OMG GIVE US 30 DAYS BACK" hahahahahaha
I think prop firm should have unlimited time as ADD ONS and see how those who advocates UNLIMITED TIMES (even though we have extensions and retakes) pay the price
  • #17,778
  • Jul 13, 2023 1:26pm Jul 13, 2023 1:26pm
Quoting Ak386
I want to give my opinion with the rule change in FTMO, UNLIMITED TRADING PERIOD, this is positive for you as a company but bad for traders, it is a commercial strategy, that traders will realize, is better Free retakes and one free extension , then you're going to agree with me. Do you want me to explain why?
Please enlighten us as to how time limits are better than no time limits? I can't wait to hear your explanation.
  • #17,779
  • Jul 13, 2023 1:35pm Jul 13, 2023 1:35pm
It looks like FTMO and MyFF has removed ONLY marketing thing from new born prop firms. It will be interesting how new prop firms react
  • #17,780
  • Jul 13, 2023 1:36pm Jul 13, 2023 1:36pm
Quoting beastwork
{quote} Please enlighten us as to how time limits are better than no time limits? I can't wait to hear your explanation.
From traders sole perspective, people will be either better or at least the same than before. So unlimited is never worse than no limit.

To find disadvantages we have to consider that this may lead to price increase (announced by TFT and MFF) or profitability / safety of smaller props.

But from traders (sole trading perspective) there is absolutely no disadvantage IMO.
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