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  • May 2, 2023 1:56am May 2, 2023 1:56am
Quoting FX-Quant
It's not completely possible. It's possible to predict some things that are logical, ie the Fed will raise rates more than the market expects and therefore USD will perform better than the market expects. But you can't predict fat finger trades that move the markets. There's always an inherent element to the markets that's unknowable. Hence the importance of risk management. If you're able to predict fundamental events like the Fed raises rates more than expected, you're able to predict USD to some degree under the assumption the market reacts logically....

Another approach is to isolate the risk you are aim to take (and hence focus on some specific return), this is done through hedging. This is much less obvious than, for example taking simple risk of asset's price appreciation (depreciation) when you short (buy) the asset.
  • #1,302
  • May 4, 2023 10:43am May 4, 2023 10:43am
Quoting kk007
This sounds a simple question, but it is not indeed. There are a lot of trading methods claim working. Nevertheless, I wonder in general what logic these methods based on in predicting price movement. Can anyone give me a good answer? Thanks, kk007
I will give it shot.
Its not impossible to try to guess what a certain human will have for breakfast or which way that one will drive with her/his car to work.
So in general its not impossible to guess what a certain human will do, how she/he will do it and when.
I mean if the contract with the customer or employer says that 8AM to 17PM, with lunch 12-13, that human is at work.
So probably that one is going to actually BE at work that time.
And so, behave in a predictible way.

And the same is true for masses of people.
There are quite good estimations of how people will move if there is a fire.
And thats used to make public buildings like stadions and theaters and so forth.

And SO, and in that way, its possible to predict what markets will do and how they will behave because its people doing it.
If that was not so, it would be impossible to make a advertisment campaign or have a government and so forth.
People do NOT behave randomly given a certain set of conditions.
If there is a fire in a public place with lots of people, NOONE will bring out some hot dogs and beer.

So what does a good trader do?
They, we, learn how the market normally reacts give a certain set of conditions.
Sometimes it doesnt work out of course because maybe there is some fundamental reason we dont know about: Some big Goldman Sachs deal is going down or Blackrock sold some of theyr shares or something like that.
Meaning there is one or many conditions that we could not have taken into account.
But if we have a basic understanding of how the market normally operates, we end up in the green.

Now me personally, i dont factor in those fundamental happenings.
I rely on the technical analysis.
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  • #1,303
  • May 5, 2023 1:45am May 5, 2023 1:45am
To predict seems to be the fundamental paradigm of everything, the preferred activity of any human being in any environment.
Begining from wether we try to predict everything, but as it occurs with weather forecasts, although we have extremely advanced math models and calculators, we can only rely with some efficency on predicting 2 or 3 days in advance. This is not really a prediction but an anticipation of what will happen at least until the chaos factor will intervene.
Why? Because everything is not casual but driven by a universal code that is driving the whole creation of universe and even human behavior is part of this phenomena: market is a construction of human behaviour.
Chaos is a fundamental part of the scheme, it is the factor that the factor that prevents the pattern from jamming, so also in chaos it is possible to recognize a pattern but it's no more possible to anticipate it because it will occur too fast.
The scheme always leaves a footprint which in a financial environment is given by price action, so if you learn how to read PA you can see the path that price has been following and so you can anticipate the next. Reading PA does not have to do with usual candlestick patterns nor much the less with technical analysis, they are only the result of something that is happening behind the curtains.
So it's not possible to anticipate the future looking at the past, this is just human madness. You have to understand what PA is and then calculate it, it's just a matter of algebraic sum and how to correctly read the result. Last but not least you need to learn how to cope with chaos protecting yourself and your wallet.
  • #1,304
  • May 6, 2023 8:11am May 6, 2023 8:11am
Quoting strongtrader
To predict seems to be the fundamental paradigm of everything, the preferred activity of any human being in any environment. Begining from wether we try to predict everything, but as it occurs with weather forecasts, although we have extremely advanced math models and calculators, we can only rely with some efficency on predicting 2 or 3 days in advance. This is not really a prediction but an anticipation of what will happen at least until the chaos factor will intervene. Why? Because everything is not casual but driven by a universal code that...

This is very interesting. To add to your examples of our inherent ability to recognize patterns and extrapolate predictions of the next, as yet uncompleted, part of the pattern, tones come to mind. Either listening to a melody and anticipating the next likely key tone given the last string of tones or hearing an echo and estimating the likely source, humans have an innate predictive ability.

Our neural processing ability has been used as a template for machine learning models but when it comes to market application of this ability we need look no further than harmonic oscillators.

"Systems that can be modeled as harmonic oscillators are common in Nature. A rocking chair, the movement of the violin strings and a simple mass suspended from the ceiling by a spring are examples where such model can be employed to some extent. In all those cases, if the system is taken out of balance a force begins to act guiding it back. When it returns to the equilibrium configuration, the system still has momentum that causes it to cross the equilibrium. Then, the force that guides it back to equilibrium will be in the opposite direction and the dynamic repeats on [1]. Friction leads the oscillations to be damped and external force may be present. Oscillations observed in price series clearly cannot be fully understood with the harmonic oscillator model. However, return to an optimum fair price, momentum and damping presumably are plausible ingredients in price dynamics." - M.M Garcia - 'Forecast model for financial time series: An approach based on harmonic oscillators'
  • #1,305
  • May 9, 2023 5:55pm May 9, 2023 5:55pm
Good observation. Harmony is a universal concept that informs everything and is known since Pitagora with his
harmony of the spheres. So theorically if you know the melody that price is playing in a given moment you should be able to know next tones but the issue is always the same: it doesn't take count of human factor that is driven by psychology.
Albeit there is a key: you cannot predict what a single man will do next moment in time but you can predict what a group of people will do, so aggregation is predictable because an aggregated group of people follows the same scheme and in that scheme lies harmony until it will show up the chaos factor.
  • #1,306
  • May 11, 2023 3:40am May 11, 2023 3:40am
My predecessors already described it good so i am not sure i will add something useful to the thread, but one might find my perspective helpful.

price IS and you can't predict next move with higher % certainty. default is 50%
If you watch it closely and you observe price movement within a candle...is there a way to get a better guess? -->"with higher % certainty"?
You will have to put in some work to get this answer (and not only 1h ).
"Trend is your friend". Trend in 1min, 5min,30min,1h,.... which one? can you profit from every one of them?
I would use another word...flow; fluidness. It doesn't matter who is a reason for price movement(single trader, algoritms, big banks,...). you can see it if you watch it close enough and you have a reference point.
I am sure you know this sentence: "There is no spoon".
Price contains physics values at every moment eventhough it is a sum of machines and people interacting with each other.
  • #1,307
  • May 11, 2023 3:46am May 11, 2023 3:46am
It's incredibly easy to predict...
USDMXN target Tuesday High
DD limit 17.38, now watch and enjoy
  • #1,308
  • May 20, 2023 2:00am May 20, 2023 2:00am
We are unable to predict price movements with any certainty. Therefore you will have losses (from wrong guesses) and even have many in a row. The 50/50 probability that is often quoted is strictly from the law of large numbers, but not really relevant at a trade by trade level. So the best you can do is formulate a well-tested (demo & backtesting) trading plan with a specific set of trading rules and with a strict risk management settings. Traders typically use some combination of price movement analyses and background economic assessments. Then stick to the plan and not fiddle or ignore as you feel this will work. It probably won't.
  • #1,309
  • May 21, 2023 5:37am May 21, 2023 5:37am
it is very possible to predict price movement in real time. you must understand market structure to a great deal and make such knowledge a habit.
the summary of trading is market structure not memorizing price patterns. it is the job of the market to conceal it next move while its in the nature of a good price action trader to reveal it.

market will always appear chaotic but the truth is that, the chaos has been engineered to conceal structure.
  • #1,310
  • May 22, 2023 4:38am May 22, 2023 4:38am
Quoting Ihlas
It's incredibly easy to predict... USDMXN target Tuesday High DD limit 17.38, now watch and enjoy
BAM! Target is eliminated!
  • #1,311
  • May 24, 2023 2:04am May 24, 2023 2:04am
Most are based on the assumption that past price action can be a prediction of future price action. Of course it cannot with any certainty. However it's all about improving the odds in your favour. So traders often use multiple analyses looking for confluences and confirmations to make trades combined with tight risk management.
  • #1,312
  • Jun 10, 2023 7:40am Jun 10, 2023 7:40am
Quoting kk007
This sounds a simple question, but it is not indeed. There are a lot of trading methods claim working. Nevertheless, I wonder in general what logic these methods based on in predicting price movement. Can anyone give me a good answer? Thanks, kk007
Actually, it’s a critical question to answer and different people have different opinions about it. Trading methods work as long as they are according to the flow of market price. You know there are many traders who are buying on a certain side and few of the traders are selling on the opposite side and it has a high impact on the price and there are many similar issues you will find responsible for it.
  • #1,313
  • Jun 10, 2023 9:41am Jun 10, 2023 9:41am
In my understanding of the market paradigm, it is possible to predict only those movements that are made by major market participants. Such movements are considered more reliable for trading and are easier to interpret, hence more predictable.
  • #1,314
  • Jun 19, 2023 5:05am Jun 19, 2023 5:05am
Quoting Custos
{quote} it is not possible to predict price movements. If it was, then wallstreet wouldn't have lost during the burst of the housing bubble. And they are supposed to be professionals with endless amounts of resources.
Have you not seen people predict price movements in past? I myself am apart of several telegram groups where people post their TA and recommendations in real time.
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  • #1,315
  • Jun 19, 2023 5:07am Jun 19, 2023 5:07am
Quoting Greenpnl
In my understanding of the market paradigm, it is possible to predict only those movements that are made by major market participants. Such movements are considered more reliable for trading and are easier to interpret, hence more predictable.
What causes the price to “move” is an in balance between supply and demand but since no one can see FUTURE VOLUME it leads cridence that the market can’t be predicted but I am very sure that it can

Quoting Greenpnl
In my understanding of the market paradigm, it is possible to predict only those movements that are made by major market participants. Such movements are considered more reliable for trading and are easier to interpret, hence more predictable.
What causes the price to “move” is an in balance between supply and demand but since no one can see FUTURE VOLUME it leads cridence that the market can’t be predicted but I am very sure that it can
Threesome Daddy
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  • Edited 12:45pm Jun 25, 2023 10:10am | Edited 12:45pm
Quoting SingaRich
{quote} Have you not seen people predict price movements in past? I myself am apart of several telegram groups where people post their TA and recommendations in real time. {image} {image} {image} {image}
Check my methods
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  • #1,317
  • Jun 25, 2023 10:45am Jun 25, 2023 10:45am
Quoting slowbrain
{quote} Check my methods {file}
Pretty cool thanks
  • #1,318
  • Jun 25, 2023 10:50am Jun 25, 2023 10:50am
Quoting slowbrain
{quote} Check my methods {file}
what's your method and where it's possible to check it?
  • #1,319
  • Jun 26, 2023 3:52am Jun 26, 2023 3:52am
Quoting Greenpnl
In my understanding of the market paradigm, it is possible to predict only those movements that are made by major market participants. Such movements are considered more reliable for trading and are easier to interpret, hence more predictable.

We can also expect with decent degree of certainty that there will be sharp price movement during economic releases such as NFP. We can't predict direction though but certain price characteristics cab be known in advance. In my view this should create profit opportunities.
  • #1,320
  • Sep 10, 2023 2:02pm Sep 10, 2023 2:02pm
Quoting spekitox
Fifty-fifty, it's called a coin toss. I would ask the original question with different punctuation - Why, is it possible to predict price movement? {quote}
I would add a few more degrees of freedom to the formula.

Price can move up or down 1 tick. 50% on that.

Price can move up or down 2 ticks consecutively 25% of probability on that assuming independence.

Price can move up 2 ticks and then 4 ticks down. Now you have conditional probability that is still lower then 25%.

Another factor, price can move up in less than 1 hour 50 ticks that adds also volatility.

Another factor: USD interes rates are rising up by 0.25% and we see that EUR value is moving down by 2 points....

So it is more than 50%.

Which is the probability of your TP being hit before your SL at 9:30 AM US time?

Trading is really complex.
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