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  • #5,301
  • Nov 10, 2021 7:46am Nov 10, 2021 7:46am
"TFF has entered the cage" 🎙
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  • #5,302
  • Nov 10, 2021 7:49am Nov 10, 2021 7:49am
Quoting Mtinifx
And also the guy who replied (Trung Nguyen) is quite right in saying that they should make this step of reviewing trades CLEAR on their website. Also this whole episode STINKS! Guys after this, if you purchase an evaluation with these people you are going to get problems. This guy who Richard Nagy who apparently owns TFF sent me this email yesterday: "we review positions of the traders to make sure, s/he is trading according to live conditions and not using prohibited strategies. Your behavior on this email was already suspicious, as you mentioned...
I have 7 letters for everyone.......M F F F T M O
  • #5,303
  • Nov 10, 2021 7:54am Nov 10, 2021 7:54am
Quoting Paulscaff1
"TFF has entered the cage" 🎙 {image}

They can return to the swamp.
  • #5,304
  • Nov 10, 2021 7:56am Nov 10, 2021 7:56am
Quoting Mtinifx
This guy who Richard Nagy who apparently owns TFF sent me this email yesterday
-Trading aside, if the owner of the company is contacting you directly and conversing with you in such an unprofessional manner, probably best to avoid.

The initial email correspondence was completely uncalled for, as well as his unprofessional handling of the situation. If it were me, I would challenge him on that, publicly, just so everyone can see what kind of operation they are running. Because at the end of the day, these are potential business partners, and trust and professionalism should be important.
  • #5,305
  • Nov 10, 2021 8:06am Nov 10, 2021 8:06am
Quoting Paulscaff1
"TFF has entered the cage" 🎙 {image}
He already chimed in https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...4#post13780754
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #5,306
  • Nov 10, 2021 8:09am Nov 10, 2021 8:09am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} He already chimed in https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...4#post13780754
Anyone who types in that font and size needs to be removed... My poor (low quality) eyes.
  • #5,307
  • Nov 10, 2021 8:10am Nov 10, 2021 8:10am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Hey Paul, Good to have you back.
Thanks! Hope I'll be less intermittent now
Always ready to help
  • #5,308
  • Nov 10, 2021 8:11am Nov 10, 2021 8:11am
Quoting TrueFXFunds
{quote} Thank you for your review. However, I'd like to clear things about how it's really happened. We sent you our sample email about "Congratulations for passing Phase 1", this automated email contains that your account will be analyzed just like every passed account to avoid arbitrage bots or any strategies that take advantage of demo conditions or can not be profitable on a live account. The reply from you was already surprising, as you were complaining about the automated email why your trades need to be reviewed. The account got reviewed...
False Forex Funds then?
Always ready to help
  • #5,309
  • Nov 10, 2021 8:14am Nov 10, 2021 8:14am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} Metatrader is shit. It happens usually when theres too much going on on a device or the internet connection is a bit patchy (micro dropouts etc). Blame C++

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Interesting
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  • #5,310
  • Nov 10, 2021 8:14am Nov 10, 2021 8:14am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} Blind slut you say... Where can I find one of these.

Not difficult, f*k around and catch them on the move.
Follow your guts, if you want to lose your money...
  • #5,311
  • Nov 10, 2021 8:26am Nov 10, 2021 8:26am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} It means they only want traders who will grind to a halt after a month and lose the money so they can bank the fees early. The strange thing about these TCF white labels is that they are refunding some folks. It almost paints an image of validity but I doubt it.
So they are a TCF white label? JFC....
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #5,312
  • Nov 10, 2021 8:36am Nov 10, 2021 8:36am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} FTMO have white labels, but I dont think they are doing the dirty stuff.
Which ones do you know about ? Buoytrade and Traderseed ? Any other ?
Thanks
  • #5,313
  • Nov 10, 2021 8:46am Nov 10, 2021 8:46am
Quoting PaulMF
{quote} {image} Interesting

Hi Paul...

Thanks for noticing I can make MQL4 trash bots like most of FF...

Would you like to know my underwear size as well? No? Truth is I don't wear any underwear..
  • #5,314
  • Nov 10, 2021 9:06am Nov 10, 2021 9:06am
Quoting Paulscaff1
"TFF has entered the cage" 🎙 {image}

Dear Traders,

We would like to build our reputation by our grateful customers however we do notice that we can not fulfill every one of yours satisfaction.
We are going to work on our transparency so you can get a peek into us.

We opened our Prop Firm because we think we can bring the most competitive solutions for our customers.
As a service provider, we give credit for our customer's opinions that is why we would like to hear from you, how we can better ourselves.

As for our Trading Objectives, they are strict and we have to obey them, but as mentioned we will upgrade our FAQ sections to make sure we clearly communicate our message toward our clients.

Sincerely,

True Forex Funds
Joseph Kocsis
  • #5,315
  • Nov 10, 2021 9:12am Nov 10, 2021 9:12am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} Hi Paul... Thanks for noticing I can make MQL4 trash bots like most of FF... Would you like to know my underwear size as well? No? Truth is I don't wear any underwear..
Trash bots are for bad traders.
Always ready to help
  • #5,316
  • Nov 10, 2021 9:16am Nov 10, 2021 9:16am
Quoting TrueFXFunds
When using 3-10 sec positions, your trading result could be really different on a demo account than on a live account.
-Then you need to either:

1. Provide demo accounts with more realistic conditions (e.g. execution delays).
or
2. Clearly state that scalping is NOT ALLOWED!

There is nothing wrong with using 3-10 second positions. The problem is that you are expecting traders to trade within an environment that is not realistic, then, punishing them for not being able to produce results that are realistic. If you accept traders that use a particular style of trading, then you need to be able to accommodate that style of trading.

The way that you and your team have responded to this is absolutely unacceptable. It does not matter if someone complains or even threatens to leave you a poor review (especially when it is warranted). You are a business. You are a service provider. Get used to it. Act professional.
  • #5,317
  • Edited 9:48am Nov 10, 2021 9:27am | Edited 9:48am
Quoting TrueFXFunds
{quote} Dear Traders, We would like to build our reputation by our grateful customers however we do notice that we can not fulfill every one of yours satisfaction. We are going to work on our transparency so you can get a peek into us. We opened our Prop Firm because we think we can bring the most competitive solutions for our customers. As a service provider, we give credit for our customer's opinions that is why we would like to hear from you, how we can better ourselves. As for our Trading Objectives, they are strict and we have to obey them,...
Hi Joseph

Thank you for your contribution.

Your in luck, as I believe I can help you and your company on the path to "better yourselves".

The way you talk to traders in emails, and in chats is pretty disgracefull, making out that they are using deception and calling them "suspicious" is not a good practice of customer relations as im sure you will agree.

To use an analogy.....Imagine you walked into subway to ask for your daily "12-inch" (with special sauce), to then be called a liar... and suspicious.... im sure you wouldnt be pleased, and likely, you wouldnt return.....as what has just happened.

But Joseph, this may not be a reflection of yourself so please dont be offended as im sure you are a stand-up guy, perhaps you just have to have a word with your ball-bag colleagues about how to talk to people.......i understand how you must feel, ive had to work with wankers myself from time to time and just like you, end up tidying up their shit.

Have a word with them and let us know how it goes mate.
  • #5,318
  • Nov 10, 2021 9:27am Nov 10, 2021 9:27am
Quoting TrueFXFunds
{quote} Dear Traders, We would like to build our reputation by our grateful customers however we do notice that we can not fulfill every one of yours satisfaction. We are going to work on our transparency so you can get a peek into us. We opened our Prop Firm because we think we can bring the most competitive solutions for our customers. As a service provider, we give credit for our customer's opinions that is why we would like to hear from you, how we can better ourselves. As for our Trading Objectives, they are strict and we have to obey them,...
From my point of view you guys act in bad faith against the customers. You leave things unclear with the purpose of being able to take discretionary action at your sole discretion.

From what I read your Support is staffed with morons. Let me see this part:

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We do not think that you weren't trading with an EA, there is a few
clear signs that it's trading with an EA. EAs are accepted, but this
trading style is a borderline case that could be copied and be
profitable on our live capital. As you argued false you didn't trade
with EA, we will forwarded this account to our head manager and he will
take a look at it. Yes, it says trades are placed by you but this could
be easily hacked

There is no clear signs, Metatrader simply provides that information or does not. No signs, no leads, no smell, no trace. It is stamped, the user can also hover the mouse over the position in the terminal window and know. No magic.
How can it be hacked? There is no way to hack it. Only using a reversed engineered system.
Have some dignity and move out of business, fast. You guys suck.
Follow your guts, if you want to lose your money...
  • #5,319
  • Nov 10, 2021 9:28am Nov 10, 2021 9:28am
To All New prop Firms

If anyone wants to come in here and introduce their new prop firm, I get it, this is where those of us using prop firms hang out. However, understand you are dealing with a very demanding customer. Let's not waste each other's time. I have been trading with prop firms for 18 months and I know several others at least that long or longer. You are not going to pull the wool over anyone's eyes here. We know the game, we know how to win it, we know how to spot the bullshit and if you are not the type of firm that we can mutually benefit from, you're going to be wasting your time in this thread. Study FTMO and MFF, that is the type of rules and execution we expect to play by, if you can not rise up to their standards, you might get one or two "suckers" here, but you will not build your business long term.
  • #5,320
  • Nov 10, 2021 9:45am Nov 10, 2021 9:45am
Quoting Paulscaff1
{quote} Hi Joseph Thank you for your contribution. Your in luck, as I believe I can help you and your company on the path to "better yourselves". The way you talk to traders in emails, and in chats is pretty disgracefull, making out that they are using deception and calling them "suspicious" is not a good practice of customer relations as im sure you will agree. To use an analogy.....Imagine you walked into subway to ask for your daily "12-inch", to then be called a liar... and suspicious.... im sure you wouldnt be pleased, and likely, you wouldnt...

Dear Paulscaff1,

I am not offended as I don't take it personally and I thank you for your clarifications. I will talk with the management and make sure they manage these cases confidently, well mannered, professionally.

Joseph
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