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  • #121
  • Feb 25, 2018 4:42am Feb 25, 2018 4:42am
Quoting hesron
{quote} there is often manipulation in the market, this is due to the accumulation of volumes that have not been achieved due to the agreement of market maker and market dealer has not been reached ............. and in fx, the volume is pseudo ... so it takes trick- tricks to overcome it ....................
Every single currencies in the world are controlled or manipulated to a certain bandwidth by their respective CBs. It's actually a blessing to the informed traders that's they are controlled within a certain bandwidth or else they will be untradable or truly and totally random with wild peaks to trough swings.
Your govt BI had revaluated the country currencies 3 X since 1965 and I had lived thru it all and remain unscathed.
Note: Revaluation is more drastic than devaluation.

Cheers
GS
  • #122
  • Feb 25, 2018 8:12am Feb 25, 2018 8:12am
Quoting scalper16
{quote} are you wrong dude not try to selling strategy... my post functions 1st practice second one go live.......
Good luck. Don't spend it all in one place.
"The fun is in the hunt. Not the kill."
  • #123
  • Feb 25, 2018 12:16pm Feb 25, 2018 12:16pm
Quoting kprsa
{quote} Hi, By “pullback” I mean a movement opposite to the direction of the main trend. When a pullback fails, the trend continues. So, below your red line you have a few lower timeframe bullish attempts that do not go very far, and if you used a trendline to define the bullish pullback, and, for example, a trendline break for short entry, you might have had a few attempts, but you would end up with a nice profit from a short trade. I’d consider exiting this short trade once the main downtrend trendline is clearly broken. So probably where you...
Thanks Kprsa for the explanation...
  • #124
  • Feb 25, 2018 12:20pm Feb 25, 2018 12:20pm
Quoting diceman555
{quote} I'm not answering for Kprsa but this is my understanding We will never know before hand as to whether the current trend will continue or reverse during a pull back.but there are some clues .the first being a measurement of the pullbacks energy it's maximum potential which will exhaust At that point unless it has additional influx .this becomes a change in sentiment. You can see this via the value changes in related pairs.unfortuatly there are not any tools available on our platforms to show this and for very good reason
Thanks Diceman...

Could you please go more into the "Value Changes in Related Pairs"

If i recall correctly, i remember reading one of your posts where you said, you trade looking at the market as a group/whole and you were able to refine it to the point looking at percentage changes between the pairs?
  • #125
  • Feb 26, 2018 12:48am Feb 26, 2018 12:48am
Quoting whitefox
Hi folks I'm just wondering why youtubers and other members share strategies supposedly profitable. Does it have an impact on supply and demand. I mean if lot of people follow the same strategie . At some point it's not going to work right ? Thanks
With the odd exception, I think they are nothing more than weapons of mass distraction.
I've lost count of how many FF system threads begin with a version of the following.

"I've been trading full time for 4 years, and I would like to share my strategy"...

Reading the intro, the system description then takes on the mechanical nature similar to what can be found for free on any number of forums, or picked up for $50 from a generous, kind hearted online vendor....

please...
Come with me if you want to live....
  • #126
  • Feb 26, 2018 1:23am Feb 26, 2018 1:23am
Quoting Ill-b-back
{quote} With the odd exception, I think they are nothing more than weapons of mass distraction. I've lost count of how many FF system threads begin with a version of the following. "I've been trading full time for 4 years, and I would like to share my strategy"... Reading the intro, the system description then takes on the mechanical nature similar to what can be found for free on any number of forums, or picked up for $50 from a generous, kind hearted online vendor.... please...
after few days the kind FF sharing user says: I have no choice but to start selling the system or copy trading for a fee; and its limited to few copies. Before Sunday he will be out of stock; hurry and grab your copy
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  • #127
  • Feb 26, 2018 2:40am Feb 26, 2018 2:40am
Quoting Redeflect
{quote} Since when? There are more than enough correlation indicators. Unless, of course, you're talking about... 'those' moves.(an indicator of which could still be rigged up)
Yep there are some Indies out there but they don't show what I'm looking for although somebody with more knowledge of coding could easily put something together.

Again fibo and pivot Indies are freely available but are not close compared to my own calculations.
  • #128
  • Feb 26, 2018 3:02am Feb 26, 2018 3:02am
Quoting aaven
{quote} Thanks Diceman... Could you please go more into the "Value Changes in Related Pairs" If i recall correctly, i remember reading one of your posts where you said, you trade looking at the market as a group/whole and you were able to refine it to the point looking at percentage changes between the pairs?
Hi aaven.
Why would we look at only a piece of the puzzle when we can look at all of it.the relationship within the market is very intertwined if for no other reason of the dollers involvement.
Just watch the market at key price levels and watch the overall market or a representative basket and you can see what I'm saying.the market stalls as one .any expanding or contracting is seen as a whole.you can also see if the market is in sync or conflicting.you can get advance forward indication of breaks .I could go on and on but enough said
  • #129
  • Feb 27, 2018 1:45am Feb 27, 2018 1:45am
Quoting diceman555
{quote} Hi aaven. Why would we look at only a piece of the puzzle when we can look at all of it.the relationship within the market is very intertwined if for no other reason of the dollers involvement. Just watch the market at key price levels and watch the overall market or a representative basket and you can see what I'm saying.the market stalls as one .any expanding or contracting is seen as a whole.you can also see if the market is in sync or conflicting.you can get advance forward indication of breaks .I could go on and on but enough said
Thanks Diceman...
  • #130
  • Feb 27, 2018 3:01am Feb 27, 2018 3:01am
Quoting whitefox
Hi folks I'm just wondering why youtubers and other members share strategies supposedly profitable. Does it have an impact on supply and demand. I mean if lot of people follow the same strategie . At some point it's not going to work right ? Thanks
because they don't work.

I get why people want trading strategies. it gives them hope that there is a method out there that all that it requires them to do is to press a button like a robot without any emotions and continue making money over time.

they think of it as a workaround for not learning trading at all. "why should I waste months learning trading when I can just buy the recipe from this person who seems successful using the recipe themselves!?"

and that's the old trap that charlatan educators use to trap naive and greedy beginners and empty their pockets. the great thing about trading strategies is that it give a ton of wiggle room to the person selling them for explaining why you are not making money from them.

they either blame your psychology for it (your mind isn't in the right place and you are getting out of profitable trades too soon!) or they blame your activity (you should trade all the trading opportunities this strategy is for, otherwise the balance is off and you won't make it to 60% success rate!)


so they are basically selling you useless shit, because even if the strategy is half decent, it will still take years for it to produce a large profit for your small capital anyways. they might not be lying, but they don't tell you the whole truth either!
  • #131
  • Feb 27, 2018 4:31am Feb 27, 2018 4:31am
Quoting whitefox
Hi folks I'm just wondering why youtubers and other members share strategies supposedly profitable. Does it have an impact on supply and demand. I mean if lot of people follow the same strategie . At some point it's not going to work right ? Thanks
I agree 100%. Whats the point of following someones strategy, if in fact you didnt come to these conclusions by yourself and dont know how to use it ...
And no one will fully explain their working strategy, so...

Cheers, Matt
  • #132
  • Feb 27, 2018 10:35pm Feb 27, 2018 10:35pm
Quoting copi88
Institutions when developing their AI models use correlated markets to determine relative value. Sometimes correlations are simple eg one market vs another sometimes they are complicated. That blue line is made up of 4 different markets. I just have one on that chart however they will have over 100 correlations with different weightings in their models. Just depends on the asset. Here is the same chart with more correlations. I will turn different lines on / off depending on what is driving the markets. Below is Euro with more correlated markets....
An outstanding type of analysis.
  • #133
  • Feb 27, 2018 10:59pm Feb 27, 2018 10:59pm
Quoting whitefox
Hi folks I'm just wondering why youtubers and other members share strategies supposedly profitable. Does it have an impact on supply and demand. I mean if lot of people follow the same strategie . At some point it's not going to work right ? Thanks
First, no one knows have these all shared strategies been followed by retail traders like us. Secondly, I totally agree with FerruFx's reply "We (retail traders) are a drop in the ocean ...". There are market makers who artificially form supply and demand...
profitable trading does not mean trading everyday
  • #134
  • Mar 23, 2018 5:10pm Mar 23, 2018 5:10pm
Quoting zorndyke
{quote} and only posting profit trade and hide the loss
Cool thread interesting.

I for one thing am not ashamed to show it all.


Good people share ideas to help others....

Some share "tips" to get some following.... or affiliate profits...advertising.

I know a person that can't trade, can't chart....can do nothing.... so he runs website (called crunch something ) and when i accidentally bumped onto his site a big flashy adverts hit me.....typical for tons of sites, right??

Who can't trade - teach FULL TIME!!!
Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
  • #135
  • Mar 23, 2018 10:29pm Mar 23, 2018 10:29pm
Quoting whitefox
Hi folks I'm just wondering why youtubers and other members share strategies supposedly profitable. Does it have an impact on supply and demand. I mean if lot of people follow the same strategie . At some point it's not going to work right ? Thanks
Most (if not all) of the free/priced trading strategies out there will not generate consistent profits in the long run.
'For the market to work, it needs people who think that they can beat it.'
  • #136
  • Mar 23, 2018 11:07pm Mar 23, 2018 11:07pm
Quoting diceman555
{quote} I'm not answering for Kprsa but this is my understanding We will never know before hand as to whether the current trend will continue or reverse during a pull back.but there are some clues .the first being a measurement of the pullbacks energy it's maximum potential which will exhaust At that point unless it has additional influx .this becomes a change in sentiment. You can see this via the value changes in related pairs.unfortuatly there are not any tools available on our platforms to show this and for very good reason
Very good understanding... may I also add that each specific pairs have their own specific pullback breach and hold values. If one can identify those value levels then it's game on. Occasionally whipsaw will happen so double breach will wins the day.
One more small step to pay-dirt.

Cheers
  • #137
  • Mar 24, 2018 12:29am Mar 24, 2018 12:29am
Why try to “measure” pullbacks when we can just wait for breakouts? ...
Market is not random but unpredictable
  • #138
  • Mar 24, 2018 5:11am Mar 24, 2018 5:11am
Quoting whitefox
Hi folks I'm just wondering why youtubers and other members share strategies supposedly profitable. Does it have an impact on supply and demand. I mean if lot of people follow the same strategie . At some point it's not going to work right ? Thanks
Crowded trades rarely work for the long-term. If you have a profitable system, you're better off not sharing it or you'll risk failure. Top proprietary trading firms go to great lengths to protect the secret sauce.

The example I think of most is a real estate investment example. If I said I had an amazing real estate method that could give you minimum house flip gains of 50% returns on every home but there were three rules. The house had to meet these three rules
1. Had to be on a cul-de-sac
2. Had to have a walk out basement
3. Had to have a 3 car garage

Suddenly you go from "tell me the secret" to "holy smokes, how much time and effort is it going to take to find homes that meets this criteria?"

What happens if you tell someone else? what happens if they tell someone else? and so on

Pretty soon there are more people competing for the homes that are found that meet the criteria and that 50% return dwindles down because of the prices being driven up by the demand of people who know the secret.

With all of this, I am more talking about trading systems that have clear, concise, specific rules and not general trading methods that have some subjectivity. Most here fit the latter so the risk of them sharing a method is low. But a very concise, objective system that is consistently profitable is not going to be shared unless the person that discovers it is naive and if they are smart enough to come up with this kind of system, they aren't naive.
Model 3 All Time Pips: -887
  • #139
  • Mar 24, 2018 6:39am Mar 24, 2018 6:39am
Quoting 4for4
Why try to “measure” pullbacks when we can just wait for breakouts? ...
Because it doesn't work like that. Maybe with equities but not currencies. You'll either get caught by noise or traps... Or be getting in very late.
"The fun is in the hunt. Not the kill."
  • #140
  • Mar 24, 2018 6:48am Mar 24, 2018 6:48am
Quoting Redeflect
{quote} Because it doesn't work like that. Maybe with equities but not currencies. You'll either get caught by noise or traps... Or be getting in very late.
... I always use stop-order to initiate a position ...
Market is not random but unpredictable
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