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RossEdwards
Apr 17, 2020 3:14am — Edited
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DaJoWaBa
Apr 17, 2020 5:04am
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Quoting barkie
Sheer lunacy, the Corona countries US and the UK should stay in lockdown for another year, they have the worst infection rates of the world and are completely clueless how to deal with this problem. Hilariously, recent polls show that the people of the UK think their government does a great job. When we open up don't allow people in from these Corona countries, safety first. {image}
This is why headlines and statistics are a dangerous thing in the hands of the ignorant or the prejudiced. Instead of questioning the reliability of the data and whether in true scientific methodology ALL variables had been eliminated, the data has been used to promote an opinion. The quote is as dangerous and misguided as the base upon which Trump is thrashing around.

Covid-19 is a new Sars-like virus, which has many novel biological properties. One thing that has been established is that it has a novel trick of switching on it's cell-infection 'weapon' before it's left the host cell and this is what has made it so very infectious and able to take a host down very quickly. It's an evolution developed whilst coping with a Bat's high metabolic rate and refined probably in Pangolins, bizarrely. The symptoms are varied, which makes it difficult to tell when someone is infected, or not. It has 6 antigens, so it'll be a complex virus to attack.

The available tests are already widely accepted as proven to be unreliable: better than nothing but still unreliable, in that false positives occur as much as 30%. The point here is that irrespective of whether authorities want to meddle with the statistics or not (the more authoritarian the state, the more likely), even the very best attempts to be thorough and transparent are pretty-well baseless and certainly unreliable even if used in a 'tight', well-defined sample. The very fact that a vast majority of people (projected to be as high as 80%) show no symptoms means that many people are blissfully unaware of whether they're infected and so a 'danger' to others (as an aside, one of my sons is a Medical Registrar and appears to be an asymptomatic carrier).

There is no known cure. Any drug or vaccine deemed a cure in due course will not be 100% effective, as is already the case with every other drug developed to counter flu and other viruses. (There is no cure still for H1N1). So, until about 67% of 'A' population has contracted Covid-19 and developed immunity, outbreaks of Covid-19 can continue and the infections will continue in the wider population.

Lockdowns are all about stopping the very worst peak in highly dense or lifestyle-habitual populations, not about being able to stop the spread altogether. Arguably the herd immunity should only really apply when 67% of the global population has developed immunity, OR when a valid, fully effective vaccine can be applied to the remainder of the population to take the total to be >67% of the global population. That is NOT going to happen anytime soon.

It appears that within the deaths, about 90% of them are due to people with underlying health issues. It appears that men are more affected than women and that the ratios of deaths to infections is higher in older populations or segments of the populations. But these are trends, not established reliable data. A friends' mother died last week in a care home. Both the family and the attendant medics were pretty sure it was NOT Covid-19 but because there is no Post-Mortem and there was no primary symptom, the registrar still put Covid-19 on the Death Certificate. The data is unreliable!

Many scientists and countries are racing to develop a vaccine but don't hold your breath any time soon for a truly reliable one to be 'found'. Most will have only partial effect and so could prove disastrous in the longer term as it will change people's behaviour and provide ideal virus conditions again.

The decision to open economies is one of balance and is not a reliable equation. It's a judgement of reward and risk and will play out over many years, not a few months.

Do everyone a favour and keep your prejudices to yourself until you develop the acuity to question data, information and statistics properly, recognise the variables and weaknesses in them, as IF you were undertaking a PhD.
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Yao
Apr 16, 2020 5:52pm
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Quoting Ghass1234
{quote} and why is that ,i love trump , at least he has balls
Having the ball to lie blatantly in front of your face, yet many who worship him blindly. Seriously, why do you trust medical advice from politicians? do you see a politician first when you get sick?
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The Fool
Apr 16, 2020 9:18pm
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First, US State Governors do not need Trump's permission or guidance to do lockdowns. ALL of the lockdowns in place were initiated by Governors and even some Mayors. None were initiated by Trump. So this is just another photo op for the game show host.

BUT, when the POTUS (whoever it is) makes big pronouncements like this, it moves the markets. US stock index futures are up 3% and WTI is up >25%...

As Mr. Trump is fond of saying, "we'll see what happens." During the Spanish flu pandemic, which killed 650,000 people in the USA and 50-100 million worldwide, most people were killed in a "second wave" of the disease that struck in the Autumn of 1918, following the initial relatively mild outbreak in the previous Spring.

We'll see what happens. I am not listening to Donald Trump for medical advice.
barkie
Apr 17, 2020 2:40am
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Sheer lunacy, the Corona countries US and the UK should stay in lockdown for another year, they have the worst infection rates of the world and are completely clueless how to deal with this problem. Hilariously, recent polls show that the people of the UK think their government does a great job.

When we open up don't allow people in from these Corona countries, safety first.
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WaveTradeV2
Apr 16, 2020 9:11pm
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Quoting seaman2
I predict number of suicides related to property losses will be larger than covid when all done and dusted. So, I support what he is doing. It is reflection of way tooooo much debt. If you are indebted you have no other choice than becoming a whore. Seem all west is that way. Pay the price and go to work NOW!
There is currently 2500 deaths a day from COVID in the USA. There is no way suicides will ever reach that level from property loses.

Infact thousands of lives are being saved from the lockdown, traffic death is way way down, homicide is way day, death from pollution is down etc

Your argument is wrong.
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The Doji
Apr 17, 2020 4:30am
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Quoting barkie
Sheer lunacy, the Corona countries US and the UK should stay in lockdown for another year, they have the worst infection rates of the world and are completely clueless how to deal with this problem. Hilariously, recent polls show that the people of the UK think their government does a great job. When we open up don't allow people in from these Corona countries, safety first. {image}

This is not a time to be using your warped political bias to castigate the death rate in the UK and the US and attempt some cheap shot at their governance.
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Momofrmnyc
Apr 16, 2020 6:38pm
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Quoting Ghass1234
{quote} u cannot stop the Globe for that , the solution has to be purely medical or preventive , like a fuckin bottle of Alcohol in ure hand or even put some water and soap in a towel and wipe ure hands and ass with it. But surely not locking down the globe and destroy the economy and make people poor and die for not eating or finding a job
People are dying because of the the virus first and foremost. You're worried about the economy vs the actual lives that power the economy. It's the small people that build up this economy truly. It's totally pointless to re-open the economy and more people start dying or getting infected. Who do you expect to spend money if the majority is sick or uncertain of the next events?
stormtrader
Apr 16, 2020 5:40pm
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He is dangerously irresponsible ...that's what the man is. PERIOD
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Momofrmnyc
Apr 16, 2020 5:59pm
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Quoting Ghass1234
{quote} and why is that ,i love trump , at least he has balls

Balls mean nothing if most of the working labor passes away due to a disease. The economy is built off the hard working people not billion dollar corps.
konecco
Apr 16, 2020 5:17pm
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White House Guidelines for 'Opening Up America Again'
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/politics/read-guidelines-for-opening-america/index.html

This will be the decision of the century that will be questioned for years to come.
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Ghass1234
Apr 16, 2020 5:32pm
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Quoting konecco
White House Guidelines for 'Opening Up America Again' https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/politics/read-guidelines-for-opening-america/index.html This will be the decision of the century that will be questioned for years to come.
and why is that ,i love trump , at least he has balls
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UnBearybull
Apr 16, 2020 7:49pm
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Quoting Ghass1234
{quote} u cannot stop the Globe for that , the solution has to be purely medical or preventive , like a fuckin bottle of Alcohol in ure hand or even put some water and soap in a towel and wipe ure hands and ass with it. But surely not locking down the globe and destroy the economy and make people poor and die for not eating or finding a job
Its easy to gamble other peoples balls. The man is a dangerous fool.
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NotAtrader
Apr 16, 2020 8:53pm — Edited
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Quoting Yao
{quote} Having the ball to lie blatantly in front of your face, yet many who worship him blindly. Seriously, why do you trust medical advice from politicians? do you see a politician first when you get sick?
Medical advice from a politician?! I think you should ignore any advice from a politician with a name Trump. He criticizes everybody and blames on everyone for the situation being out of control while at the same time claiming that he has everything under control and he decides everything in terms of how to contain the spread of this virus. He gives frightening examples with Sweden while he does the same thing in USA.

Weird person. Weird mentality and weird improper actions of a president who’s words in every interview are that his first responsibility is to protect the Americans and the American nation.
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Bones
Apr 17, 2020 3:45pm
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He is still upset about Brexit, his own little country has a worse/equal death rate than the US and the UK
Netherlands handled so well

Quoting The Doji
{quote} This is not a time to be using your warped political bias to castigate the death rate in the UK and the US and attempt some cheap shot at their governance.
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Bones
Apr 17, 2020 4:04pm
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Ask yourself
How come Germany didn't say its going to ramp up testing too its partners...
and EU is so disjointed.
Every country for themselves is stark, must be embarrassing for those saying how united they are throughout Brexit.

* French President Emmanuel Macron has voiced strong criticism toward the Netherlands for not standing in solidarity with crisis-stricken EU neighbours such as Italy and Spain. Speaking in an interview on Thursday with the British newspaper Financial Times, Macron slammed the Dutch and German responses to the European Union crisis, calling them a threat to the "very functioning of Europe and the eurozone".
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giveachance
Apr 17, 2020 3:58am
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Quoting Ghass1234
{quote} u cannot stop the Globe for that , the solution has to be purely medical or preventive , like a fuckin bottle of Alcohol in ure hand or even put some water a soap in a towel and wipe ure hands and ass with it. But surely not locking down the globe and destroy the economy and make people poor and die for not eating or finding a job.
this has been the most ridiculous comment i have seen so far. who is stopping the globe?? precaution is better than cure. ever heard that. if not go back to school. trump is taking a massive risk by opening up the economy so quickly when US has the highest number of cases and cant stop the virus
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giveachance
Apr 17, 2020 3:59am
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Quoting barkie
Sheer lunacy, the Corona countries US and the UK should stay in lockdown for another year, they have the worst infection rates of the world and are completely clueless how to deal with this problem. Hilariously, recent polls show that the people of the UK think their government does a great job. When we open up don't allow people in from these Corona countries, safety first. {image}
well said
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giveachance
Apr 17, 2020 4:00am
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Quoting Rickial
If Trump has called it wrong, a lot of people will die, if he has it right, then it will be an awesome achievement. I hope he has it right, but I fear he has it wrong. If he is wrong, and stands up and admits it, then that shows he has some real "Balls". But again, I suspect that if the death toll rises, he blame it on the individual states for opening up too soon, and it he has it right, he will take all the credit for the plan.... He'll be judged in November.
he is not going to win the elections if he is right. these many job loses will come back to haunt him surely
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stormtrader
Apr 17, 2020 1:20am
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Ok...this was not about covid 19 guys, this was about the USD. China was about to anounce the worse gdp numbers ever. What would that mean? USD strength. And guess who does not want that?
This should be ILLEGAL AND PUNISHABLE.
It is when it comes to CEO s in of a company that has stocks traded publicly.
WHY ON EARTH DOES THIS NOT APPLY TO HIM THAT IS MANIPULATING THE WHOLE CURRENCY MARKET WITH HIS DUMB TWEETS AND SPEACHES?
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trumps
Apr 17, 2020 10:22pm
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Quoting barkie
Sheer lunacy, the Corona countries US and the UK should stay in lockdown for another year, they have the worst infection rates of the world and are completely clueless how to deal with this problem. Hilariously, recent polls show that the people of the UK think their government does a great job. When we open up don't allow people in from these Corona countries, safety first. {image}
What are you talking about?
UK, USA and Netherlands all have an infection rate of about 0.2%

UK and Netherlands both have a death rate rate of infected individuals of over 10%.

USA death rate is a little over 5% of infected individuals.

Safety first 👍
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seaman2
Apr 16, 2020 8:49pm
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I predict number of suicides related to property losses will be larger than covid when all done and dusted.

So, I support what he is doing.

It is reflection of way tooooo much debt. If you are indebted you have no other choice than becoming a whore. Seem all west is that way.

Pay the price and go to work NOW!
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seaman2
Apr 17, 2020 3:22am
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Quoting barkie
Sheer lunacy, the Corona countries US and the UK should stay in lockdown for another year, they have the worst infection rates of the world and are completely clueless how to deal with this problem. Hilariously, recent polls show that the people of the UK think their government does a great job. When we open up don't allow people in from these Corona countries, safety first. {image}
too simplistic. 1. it is not just death but permanent health damages.
2. In UK and suspect US level of diabetis has pandemic proportions.
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seaman2
Apr 17, 2020 3:23am
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Quoting WaveTradeV2
{quote} There is currently 2500 deaths a day from COVID in the USA. There is no way suicides will ever reach that level from property loses. Infact thousands of lives are being saved from the lockdown, traffic death is way way down, homicide is way day, death from pollution is down etc Your argument is wrong.
I meant for the whole world, not just US. US did bit of deflation in 2008, so they should do better, I agree.
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UKBanter
Apr 17, 2020 12:25pm
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Quoting me 10 days ago.........
"I agree with Band post 15 Maybe the ginger gun lover is setting the ball rolling on a stop date.
Is it a stretch to think that by that time (end of April) is the cut off when whether the Virus has been beat or not were just gonna have to go back to work because to continue any further than that date in this strategy the consequences are going to be too catastrophic?"
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ffmonry
Apr 16, 2020 6:47pm
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Quoting tassiebear
Now we just have to wait to short the markets from a better price when they realise that opening the country will increase the number of infections.
Absolutely still the drug trial gives result. But virus changing its genome. Opening country for more cases.
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russeloscar1
Apr 16, 2020 6:11pm
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I support President trump for his stand against Terrorism , illegal immigration and putting vets and Americans first but this one is wrong, period.
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Ghass1234
Apr 16, 2020 5:58pm
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Quoting Yao
{quote} Having the ball to lie blatantly in front of your face, yet many who worship him blindly. Seriously, why do you trust medical advice from politicians? do you see a politician first when you get sick?
u cannot stop the Globe for that , the solution has to be purely medical or preventive , like a fuckin bottle of Alcohol in ure hand or even put some water a soap in a towel and wipe ure hands and ass with it. But surely not locking down the globe and destroy the economy and make people poor and die for not eating or finding a job.
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Ghass1234
Apr 16, 2020 6:00pm
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Quoting Momofrmnyc
{quote} Balls mean nothing if most of the working labor passes away due to a disease. The economy is built off the hard working people not billion dollar corps.
u cannot stop the Globe for that , the solution has to be purely medical or preventive , like a fuckin bottle of Alcohol in ure hand or even put some water and soap in a towel and wipe ure hands and ass with it. But surely not locking down the globe and destroy the economy and make people poor and die for not eating or finding a job
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pamc
Apr 17, 2020 1:07am
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who the f writes his speeches? Illiterate git. sounds like a 15 year old that skipped school to play snooker all day
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whynotnaveen
Apr 16, 2020 11:46pm
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Lock down is not a solution for this virus. If only one province is affected like Wuhan, containment measures will work. If the whole country is affected, even after several months of lock down still the virus will re-emerge. So, increasing the immunity of people will only work.

Right or wrong, Trump has the guts....
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UKBanter
Apr 17, 2020 3:43am
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Globalisation........... sounded a great idea.
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Senyor
Apr 17, 2020 4:29am
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april 17, 2020 Fri | Back in Biznaz
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usdchf: 0.097
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b_hand
Apr 16, 2020 7:41pm
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What Dr. Fauci said is real right now!!!
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Beacon
Apr 16, 2020 8:53pm
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I was thinking how would the second swing down occurs. Guess this is how the bull traps going to work out.
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Rickial
Apr 17, 2020 2:00am
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If Trump has called it wrong, a lot of people will die, if he has it right, then it will be an awesome achievement. I hope he has it right, but I fear he has it wrong. If he is wrong, and stands up and admits it, then that shows he has some real "Balls". But again, I suspect that if the death toll rises, he blame it on the individual states for opening up too soon, and it he has it right, he will take all the credit for the plan....

He'll be judged in November.
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aman4forex
Apr 17, 2020 2:08am
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Quoting Rickial
If Trump has called it wrong, a lot of people will die, if he has it right, then it will be an awesome achievement. I hope he has it right, but I fear he has it wrong. If he is wrong, and stands up and admits it, then that shows he has some real "Balls". But again, I suspect that if the death toll rises, he blame it on the individual states for opening up too soon, and it he has it right, he will take all the credit for the plan.... He'll be judged in November.
So, You think it is a time to gamble with human lives. Things may be in control but it can go worst. According to Potus, U.S has reached the peak, but believe me those numbers were way to large to be failed or not tested over and over again. Hope, a short again from retest . Lol !
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LloydOz
Apr 17, 2020 3:16am
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Quoting seaman2
I predict number of suicides related to property losses will be larger than covid when all done and dusted. So, I support what he is doing. It is reflection of way tooooo much debt. If you are indebted you have no other choice than becoming a whore. Seem all west is that way. Pay the price and go to work NOW!
I think your prediction is based on twisted logic. I son't support Pres Trump in this. You mention debt. The debt spiral HAS to stop.

I read recently that 40% of Americans have less than $400 cash at any time as a buffer. To get more they need the next pay, or sell something. Saw this in Australia recently. Interviews with people queuing up for welfare -

"Ï've worked my whole life and it has come to this"

kinda thing was very common.

Reality check, folks.
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tassiebear
Apr 16, 2020 6:37pm
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Now we just have to wait to short the markets from a better price when they realise that opening the country will increase the number of infections.
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flowin
Apr 17, 2020 1:17am
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But...
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Trader#EA5F
Apr 17, 2020 5:00am
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Opinions that were rabidly short at the bottom led to losses,opinions that were bearish at the so called 50% retracement led to losses,fundamental opinions that concluded that the market was out of sync just yesterday on the jobs report led to losses...And there were plenty of those among you.Get the idea? Your opinion is useles,and will kill your account.
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Trader#EA5F
Apr 17, 2020 5:24am
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Finally!!...Someone who has a chance to succeed at trading!!...The facts for us as traders are on the screen.We either find a way to tell which side has the upper hand,or our account is incinerated along with our "opinion".
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