US and Russian officials draft new peace plan for Ukraine - FT | Metals Mine

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traderathome
Nov 19, 2025 3:53pm
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Folks that promote "peace talks" as the means to end wars should ponder the fact that no modern war has ever been resolved with "peace talks". Quite the contrary. WWI and WWII were decisively won and THEN the talking took place (as well as the WWII trials!). All wars since WWII were NOT decisively won and, frankly, related "talks" resolved nothing, except to promote careers of politicians!
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traderathome
Nov 19, 2025 4:38pm
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Quoting chemosi
{quote} How are you sure Zelensky is not corrupt??? Geopolitics will knowingly draw its own conclusions and connect the dots.... Just watch what happens next...
What I am sure of is Zelenskyy is a very brave man, who has a very strong wife and that both are at extreme risk from Putin, and that this is not the character of the "business corrupt" types otherwise referred to. Yes, everybody will draw their own conclusions, right or wrong. And yes, there is a good chance that eventually the truths of all this will come to light. Meanwhile, I doubt there is a single soul in Ukraine that could have done a better job of leading Ukraine against Putin than Zelenskyy has done, and continues to do. And thru it all, Zelenskyy is not responsible for the corruption and crimes of another, even though some mean spirited, thoughtless people would like it to be so.
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Aussi
Nov 19, 2025 4:49pm
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Quoting traderathome
{quote} What I am sure of is Zelenskyy is a very brave man, who has a very strong wife and that both are at extreme risk from Putin, and that this is not the character of the "business corrupt" types otherwise referred to. Yes, everybody will draw their own conclusions, right or wrong. And yes, there is a good chance that eventually the truths of all this will come to light. Meanwhile, I doubt there is a single soul in Ukraine that could have done a better job of leading Ukraine against Putin than Zelenskyy has done, and continues to do....
you should be asking how he got billions in his bank account
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chemosi
Nov 19, 2025 4:00pm
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"As 'Golden Toilet' Corruption Scheme Rocks Ukraine, Support For Zelensky Plunges Below 20%"
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...unges-below-20

"On Nov. 10, the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) and the Special Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office (SAPO), which are independent of Zelensky’s office, announced an investigation into a major corruption case related to the energy sector, dubbed Operation Midas. The salacious details saw police raid 70 locations and recover stacks of cash, still with barcodes from U.S. banks, in Mindich’s apartment, along with a golden toilet."

"Mindich has reportedly fled to Israel amid a probe of his growing influence within the country’s lucrative industries, and fears that his access was facilitated by his ties to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The two were once business partners, and Mindich’s influence had expanded since Zelensky was elected in 2019."
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chemosi
Nov 19, 2025 4:21pm
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Quoting traderathome
{quote} It is all about Mindich, not Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy is a true leader, placing himself and family at risk, especially if Ukraine falls to Putin. It is a not a large nation. Many people know many people, even in businesses together. Don't verbally hang a good man simply because he knows someone not so good, or has been in business with another person that is later discovered to be corrupt! Don't knowingly malign another just to promote your own argument.
How are you sure Zelensky is not corrupt???
Geopolitics will knowingly draw its own conclusions and connect the dots....
Just watch what happens next...
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chemosi
Nov 19, 2025 4:45pm
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Quoting traderathome
{quote} Meanwhile, I doubt there is a single soul in Ukraine that could have done a better job of leading Ukraine against Putin than Zelenskyy has done, and continues to do. ....
Except for the ethnic Russians living in eastern Ukraine...
Also, if there is an audit of the aid sent to Ukraine, it will be quite a revelation...
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traderathome
Nov 19, 2025 11:49am
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It is a waste of time since Putin is disingenuous and truly desires to erase Ukrainians forever! None of this is a secret. But, politicians being what they are, they do try to appear busy at doing something newsworthy. More effective would be for the EU and NATO leaders to stop cowering from Putin's "nuclear threat" and get troops into Ukraine. Putin's cannon fodder want to surrender, without getting shot in the back! EU troops will enable that, inasmuch as the Russian officers will stay further from the from lines once EU troops are present. The surrenders will defeat Putin on the battlefield. That is the first of the only two ways this war ends. The other is for Putin to die. The surrenders might accomplish that also, disgracing Putin at home. And "at home" is a place that very well knows how to finish people. The war will be over and Europe will have regained some of its honor, having been saved TWICE itself.
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The Fool
Nov 19, 2025 12:39pm — Edited
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Quoting traderathome
More effective would be for the EU and NATO leaders to stop cowering from Putin's "nuclear threat" and get troops into Ukraine. ....
Easy enough to say, but when did EU forces suffer any significant casualties, in any conflict since WWII ? Estimates of Ukrainian and Russian casualties vary widely, but certainly if EU forces deployed to hot zones in Ukraine, many would be killed, probably thousands. Who believes the EU has the stomach for that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual...-Ukrainian_war
traderathome
Nov 19, 2025 4:12pm
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Quoting chemosi
"As 'Golden Toilet' Corruption Scheme Rocks Ukraine, Support For Zelensky Plunges Below 20%" https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...unges-below-20 "On Nov. 10, the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU) and the Special Anti-Corruption Prosecutor’s Office (SAPO), which are independent of Zelensky’s office, announced an investigation into a major corruption case related to the energy sector, dubbed Operation Midas. The salacious details...
It is all about Mindich, not Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy is a true leader, placing himself and family at risk, especially if Ukraine falls to Putin. It is a not a large nation. Many people know many people, even in businesses together. Don't verbally hang a good man simply because he knows someone not so good, or has been in business with another person that is later discovered to be corrupt! Don't knowingly malign another just to promote your own argument.
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Aussi
Nov 19, 2025 5:28pm
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Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} It requires an answer Chemosi . Surely a flawed leader would run to a safe haven state . However , hes stayed and continues to fight with rhetoric and every ounce of his body to drum up support for his country . That alone should resonate with you, as much as I understand the Russian interpretation of the events . Zelenskyy is a true leader .
lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:
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Aussi
Nov 19, 2025 7:04pm
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[quote=Vancarbon;15477624]
Quoting Aussi
{quote} lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:[/quote Cheers Aussi I had to Google the colloquial slang for “ lace “lol
hi mate a glitch in the system cheers
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Vancarbon
Nov 19, 2025 4:59pm — Edited
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Quoting chemosi
{quote} Except for the ethnic Russians living in eastern Ukraine...
It requires an answer Chemosi .

Surely a flawed leader would run to a safe haven state . However , he’s stayed and continues to fight with rhetoric and every ounce of his body to drum up support for his country .

That alone should resonate with you, as much as I understand the Russian interpretation of the events .

Zelenskyy is a true leader .
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chemosi
Nov 19, 2025 5:13pm
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Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} It requires an answer Chemosi . Surely a flawed leader would run to a safe haven state . However , he’s stayed and continues to fight with rhetoric and every ounce of his body to drum up support for his country . That alone should resonate with y , as much as I understand the Russian interpretation of the events . Zelenskyy is true leader .
With a peace deal , yes Zelenskyy will be a true leader...
but give it time...his friend has already fled to Israel...so lets see what happens
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Vancarbon
Nov 19, 2025 5:49pm
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[quote=Aussi;15477614]{quote} lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:lace:[/quote

Cheers Aussi

I had to Google the colloquial slang for “ lace “lol
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mbefus
Nov 19, 2025 6:34pm
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Here we go again. Trump auto-sucking Putin's argument to take Ukrainian territory is once again being brought up to the chalkboard. Trump is again taking this twisted argument? There's got to be some back room 'promises' Putin gave to Trump. Treacherous tendencies never seem to go away.
mbefus
Nov 19, 2025 8:21pm
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Today, Trump announced that he wants to push onto Ukraine, another 'negotiation' to end the war. By all accounts in the US, he is to agree with Putin on his 28 point 'peace plan', which is basically the same terms that Putin offered previously. Ukraine is to give up its eastern oblasts and reduce its army to a level not able to protect itself. Trump wants Zelenski to agree to this even though he has said many times before he is NOT going to agree to any give up of Ukrainian land for peace. Here we go again, with Trump being on Putin's side of the negotiation. How can this continue?
Putin is on his knees economically with being able to sell Urals Oil, yet Trump NOW wants to bail him out?? Trump just put 2nd tariffs on Russian oil and sanctioned his shadow fleet, so why this turn around ? Do you wonder if there is a bribe going on here? Trump would certainly be willing to take a bribe, and Putin is certainly able to trick Trump into agreeing to a bribe.
BaliBoyz80
Nov 19, 2025 11:47am
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another good news
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mbefus
Nov 19, 2025 1:12pm
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When will Charlie Brown EVER learn?
Trader#5BA2
Nov 19, 2025 11:45am
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about time america coped the f56k on, none of there business, should never have
been there in the first place
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Trader#D596
Nov 19, 2025 7:23pm
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Putin has picture of "Trump blowing Bubba" and ya'll wonder why Trump is drinking the sweat off Putin's testicles?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GyZrmLwXEAMpElf.jpg
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