Ukraine's Presidential Advisor: We will retake Donbass and Crimea

Every day a new statement contradicting the old one. Almost sounds like they don't want peace at all.

Mar 11, 2022 6:12am

Van? A thought.. What is the purpose of your post above?
If I separate the elements of misinformation and "WhatAboutism" .. Im left with an amazing apologist narrative for Putins action in bringing mass warfare to the middle of Europe in the 21st century ..
... on the basis that " we (The West?) gave him "the idea" for this?

Equally the idea that there is any moral equivalence between overthrowing the genocidal regimes of Sadam Hussain, Muamarr Gadaffi and Slobodan Milošević is an extraordinary call. (Though like you I was unhappy with the second Iraq War)

Putins aggression represents an existential threat to the democracies of Eastern and Western Europe.
To you and me. With respect, mate this in not a time for debate.

"He who gives his freedom for safety gets none of them"
Thomas Jefferson

hanif.bd

Mar 10, 2022 3:07am

Get away from NATO without drama, its better for you ..

OutThere

Mar 10, 2022 12:36pm — Edited

Badass Ukrainians got new toys

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Russia really needs to upgrade it's ancient fleet of tanks anyway, so if it loses them all, no problem. They were junk anyway.

I think after the war is over, Ukraine will become a big exporter of recycled rusty metal

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Mar 10, 2022 1:54pm

Quoting OutThere

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{quote} Little by little, street by street. https://nypost.com/2022/03/10/russia...-ambush-video/ In 2 weeks, they have lost 50% as much as US losses in Afghanistan and Russia's back is breaking under sanctions. What a loser leadership Russia has. One for the history books.

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IMHO Putins learned nothing from 1980s Afghanistan - trying to swallow a porcupine .. good luck with that.

Mar 10, 2022 8:06am

Here is much better recent doc , and some brainless wanted proof of attack convoys,

This is a sitting Duck document, russian generals don't dare to show this to putin, fear of head chop.

https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status...CzqZyD1dcpAAAA

putin criminal gang can only target maternity hospitals.

Mar 10, 2022 4:05am

Quoting ForeverNewb

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{quote} so Nuland lied before the committee?

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I freely admit ..dont know the detail here..
but she sure NAILED the big picture in her opening words..

...a war that offends human decency, violates international law, and the
core principles of democracy and international peace and security, and
has created a catastrophic humanitarian crisis.

in the end thats what history will judge ...and will be Putins legacy.

Mar 10, 2022 3:57am

The bad thing is that media can do whatever they want to, since there is no longer free-mass media. This is the hybrid war, no need to use weapons, information has always been the greatest asset for starting conflicts and manipulation.
When there is too much contradiction one should stop reading and believing until this settles down, like when there is a storm you shelter and wait for the storm to pass or calm down, then you go out and look around what is going on and make a decision what to do.

Again, those who will suffer most are ordinary human beings. This contradictory information only makes ppl more aggressive against each other, just as easy as lightning a match.

OutThere

Mar 10, 2022 11:52am

Quoting h3nkymc

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H O W ? ? ?

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Little by little, street by street.
https://nypost.com/2022/03/10/russian-armored-convoy-caught-in-ukrainian-ambush-video/

In 2 weeks, they have lost 50% as much as US losses in Afghanistan and Russia's back is breaking under sanctions. What a loser leadership Russia has. One for the history books.

Mar 10, 2022 5:33am

Quoting hkg_paul

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{quote} day before was EU suggestion ... and after that got pressure from the US. Because the US need that war ... As they said before, the u.s. has been investing too much for it to escalate.

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HorseShit

Mingary

Mar 10, 2022 8:44am

Quoting hkg_paul

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{quote} day before was EU suggestion ... and after that got pressure from the US. Because the US need that war ... As they said before, the u.s. has been investing too much for it to escalate.

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Afghanistan is no longer a cash cow (2 trillion USD spanning over 20 years)
The Ukraine is the new Afghanistan 2.0 "better and bigger" and about 30 years in the making by people so sad the cold war ended. But now pearl clenchers are rejoicing, the Military Industrial Complex is licking its chops..

mkjenna

Mar 10, 2022 3:25am

FF needs to add another news category: Non-verified tweet spergs from unreliable sources.
Not gonna happen, obviously, but it would be the honest thing to do.

universeman2

Mar 10, 2022 3:45am

Quoting Beli

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So...we will see more war and euro jumps?!?

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if by euro jump you mean, euro jumping off a cliff, then yes

Mar 10, 2022 3:55am

Quoting aquavox

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sorry to be the messenger : https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-demands-u-explain-biological-102206858.html

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Christ! this old totally discredited chestnut AGAIN?

Its like the Brexit Bus and the Big Steal..
The publics vulnerability seems to increase with the scale and audacity of the lie.
When they coincide with a major social insecurity. Reality- proof- Due dilligence- even common sense are discarded for the narrative that fits the occasion/bias.
Thats the huge vulnerability of democratic systems in 21st century to mis-information wars.

hkg_paul

Mar 10, 2022 5:18am

Quoting aquavox

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personally speaking, both sides need to be careful where a statement like that could deepen the conflict this may help to clarify: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCWBRg6_VsM "Ukraine on Fire" Oliver Stone Documentary

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thanks, however, the video has been banned by youtube already, and that means alot.

Mar 10, 2022 6:54am — Edited

Oliver was Stoned by putins fart. He has also made documentary of putin paid by putin, and second lame document 2019 about ukraine, which is allmost same as 2016.

Recent comment from Oliver Stone

“Although the United States has many wars of aggression on its conscience, it doesn’t justify Mr. Putin’s aggression in Ukraine. A dozen wrongs don’t make a right. Russia was wrong to invade.”

So don't sugar coat your pants, about his earlier mistakes.

Mar 11, 2022 12:50pm — Edited

Here is one example, western citizens are not like putlers pussies like you putler jugend people hypocritics psychopaths.

You are calling western people hypocritical. Look the video is it fake news, made by western governments and NATO. ???

London Demonstration against IRAQ WAR.
Biggest protest in U.K history. 2 million. people. !!!

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New York half million people protest Iraq War

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NOW WE ARE PROTESTING AGAINST putin MAD WAR

aquavox

Mar 10, 2022 3:22am

personally speaking, both sides need to be careful where a statement like that could deepen the conflict

this may help to clarify:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCWBRg6_VsM

"Ukraine on Fire" Oliver Stone Documentary

Mar 10, 2022 10:47am

Good point mate.
However that assumes Putin wins the whole pot... way beyond Ukraine..
(given Russia's a second tier nation except for its legacy nuclear capability)
Thats NOT going to happen

Mar 10, 2022 8:54am

Putin couldn't answer questions Geneva 2021.

Reporter asks Putin why his political opponents are ‘dead, in prison, or poisoned’

https://youtu.be/pEBYU1aGXMA

aquavox

Mar 10, 2022 3:25am

sorry to be the messenger :
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-demands-u-explain-biological-102206858.html

OutThere

Mar 10, 2022 10:56am

No one sees this statement as a morale boosting attempt in times of war? Duh

https://www.google.com/search?q=morale+boosting+ww2+posters&rlz=1C1CHBD_enCA907CA907&sxsrf=APq-WBtYQqVhcvkwGAXQsQcuNAQCjmGkGA:1646931300729&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjF15iZgbz2AhVcIDQIHeXNCz4Q_AUoAXoECAEQAw&biw=1883&bih=1072&dpr=1

Phylo

Mar 10, 2022 9:56pm

One of many points of view/perspective -

PETER HITCHENS: One glorious day in Sevastopol 12 years ago, I saw what was coming. That's why I won't join this carnival of hypocrisy

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10581335/PETER-HITCHENS-saw-coming-Thats-wont-join-carnival-hypocrisy.html

Mingary

Mar 11, 2022 11:13am

Quoting Vancarbon

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I cannot join in it. I know too much. I know that our policy of Nato expansion – which we had promised not to do and which we knew infuriated Russians – played its part in bringing about this crisis. I know that Ukraine's current government, now treated as if it was almost holy, was brought into being by a mob putsch openly backed by the USA in 2014. I know that the much-admired President Zelensky in February 2021 closed down three opposition TV stations on the grounds of 'national security'. They went dark that night. I know that the opposition...

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What is the source ? Who said all this ?
There is massive disinformation around the subject.
Thanks

gespiri

Mar 10, 2022 3:57am

And who is this Ukrainian advisor?? CIA? Foreign NGOs???

hkg_paul

Mar 10, 2022 5:15am

Quoting OnlineAddict

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Every day a new statement contradicting the old one. Almost sounds like they don't want peace at all.

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day before was EU suggestion ... and after that got pressure from the US. Because the US need that war ... As they said before, the u.s. has been investing too much for it to escalate.

Mar 10, 2022 10:13am

His answers were typical for western politicians - basically he said he does exactly the same as USA does.
No-one's questioning how Putin uses power, or if it is in a good or bad way, but suddenly when he attacked Ukraine, everyone started finger-pointing at this person.
Why was nobody interested in the de-classification of Kennedy's assassination - still ppl believe Oswald killed him with the magic bullet

...or why the Twin Towers collapse investigation was so swiftly forgotten/forbidden - still ppl believe it was a foreign attack...how many ppl that wanted to testify with strong evidence were silenced...

I am not saying Putin's good, but your attitude is - what was the word which Biden recently loves to use - "premeditated" and not objective.
If Putin and Putin like leaders are to be judged from now on, then all before them must be judged, otherwise there's this awful sense of inequality and injustice, or the way some say it - some ppl are more equal than other ppl....

Mar 11, 2022 8:26am

Quoting RossEdwards

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Van? A thought.. What is the purpose of your post above? If I separate the elements of misinformation and "WhatAboutism" .. Im left with an amazing apologist narrative for Putins action in bringing mass warfare to the middle of Europe in the 21st century .. ... on the basis that " we (The West?) gave him "the idea" for this? Equally the idea that there is any moral equivalence between overthrowing the genocidal regimes of Sadam Hussain, Muamarr Gadaffi and Slobodan Milošević is an extraordinary call. (Though like you...

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United States also killed innocent civilians and children in 21st Century...why did nobody raised that when it was happening?
Saddam was a product of United States, he saw United States betrayed him and wanted to speak, this is how he was left to be killed. Libya's case is the same, while both countries were in good relations with US all was good, once they decided they want out shit happens.
It is obvious current President of Ukraine is put there by US Government with the sole purpose to be a pawn. USA does not go into a territory that does not have natural resources and Ukraine is such land.
Why NATO denied Russia's membership, why EU denied Russia's membership...
You must understand that what now is going on in Ukraine did not happen a day before that, it was knocking on the door and all involved knew that, now they all play a game.

I hope you do not draw implications like US and other NATO and EU countries did not know this was possible, they all have enough of intelligence resources to know what's been cooking.
This only proves there is no such thing as freedom and democracy, in real democracy corruption and violence cannot exist.
For me the whole world is ridiculous as I have already mentioned - if you are not a hypocrite then you would have treated all who fled from Afghanistan, Syria, Palestine, etc. to Europe the same way as now they do for Ukrainians.
May I ask why didn't USA took the wave of immigrants from the countries they invaded on their land but let them come on European soil, we did not go on a war with them...

It's all in history guys, nothing happens because someone says this guy is crazy and wants to bring genocide.
Everyone is helping Ukrainians who fled their country, this is undeniable, but do question yourselves - are Afghans, Syrians and other ppl less humans. This I will repeat as well - Western European countries were giving millions and millions to the Balkans to stop immigrants from Asia not go to their countries - is that humane?

NotBoris

Mar 10, 2022 4:22am

FFS, I have been wondering why President Zelensky has been so close to our clown boris. Are they collaborating something that peasants like us fails to see??

I do hope and pray for peace for all innocent Ukranians.

ForeverNewb

Mar 10, 2022 10:20am

Quoting RossEdwards

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{quote} I freely admit ..dont know the detail here.. but she sure NAILED the big picture in her opening words.. ...a war that offends human decency, violates international law, and the core principles of democracy and international peace and security, and has created a catastrophic humanitarian crisis. in the end thats what history will judge ...and will be Putins legacy.

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the victor writes history and this assume Putin loses... not a done deal yet in my view

hanif.bd

Mar 10, 2022 3:10am

Quoting OnlineAddict

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Every day a new statement contradicting the old one. Almost sounds like they don't want peace at all.

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Right

Mar 10, 2022 6:13am

Quoting hkg_paul

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{quote} thanks, however, the video has been banned by youtube already, and that means alot.

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Not banned, it is loading for me.

Beli

Mar 10, 2022 3:38am

So...we will see more war and euro jumps?!?

ForeverNewb

Mar 10, 2022 3:57am

Quoting aquavox

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sorry to be the messenger : https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-demands-u-explain-biological-102206858.html

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so Nuland lied before the committee?

kminler

Mar 10, 2022 7:13am

We need to chill people, most of these announcemnts are just posturing for negotiation purposes.

Hassa9

Mar 10, 2022 4:20am

It will be a very long story that will take time to let Russia Ukraine and EU a very high price and become more weak and become as Briginski said we don't have always to increase our power but work to let the enemies become weaker this is US foreign policy

Phylo

Mar 10, 2022 9:45pm

One of many points of view/perspective -

Here's how we can end nightmare - by taking a leaf out of JFK's book: US President's dealings with Nikita Khrushchev before the 1962 missile crisis could show us the way out of Ukraine crisis, writes DAVID PATRIKARAKOS

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...JFKs-book.html

Mingary

Mar 11, 2022 11:19am

Quoting Vancarbon

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He's a respected journalist Mingary . The link was posted https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...hypocrisy.html 1

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Great, many thanks for that. Can you provide a good link this one does not work..

Mar 10, 2022 11:12am

Quoting OutThere

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No one sees this statement as a morale boosting attempt in times of war? Duh https://www.google.com/search?q=mora...bih=1072&dpr=1

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Of course.. 100%..
Ask yourself what this news item is doing here..
Better ask NewsStand

Mar 12, 2022 6:53am

Quoting kk100

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Here is one example, western citizens are not like putlers pussies like you putler jugend people hypocritics psychopaths. You are calling western people hypocritical. Look the video is it fake news, made by western governments and NATO. ??? London Demonstration against IRAQ WAR. Biggest protest in U.K history. 2 million. people. !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go0B-2_7pDo New York half million people protest Iraq War https://youtu.be/HA8Ef4Lp6Z4 NOW WE ARE PROTESTING AGAINST putin MAD WAR

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You obviusly have some personal issues of your character. The aggression you express is typical for emotionally unstable human beings. The abusive words you are using, are sequenced one after the other trying to stess how righteous your statements are.
Obviously in the real world, outside internet you have a huge gap of attention...
Learn to spell and write, using simple words in a random sequence does not make it a sentence.
Your grammar is totally missing.

I have lived in communist, post-communist and pseudo-democracy right now, and I do not have problem with driving Lada or not driving at all, using expensive phone or cheap one, having 1 TV instead of 5, etc.
The problem is that you and ppl like you are aftaid of losing your comforts that you are addicted to.

Blessed-man

Mar 10, 2022 3:17am