I remember when I 1st brought up Apex during the summer on here and it was a bit hostile, I think you came at me too lol... Then MFF was taken down and the payout shenanigans with the remaining players increased. Besides FTMO & 5%ers, the FX prop ...

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Rithmic.... $17 initial (90% off), $34 monthly auto renew (80% off), $85 monthly or $140 1x activation fee Tradovate... $19 initial (90% off), $38 monthly auto renew (80% off), $105 monthly or $160 1x activation fee

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It trails the account's highest intraday peak and stops once it reaches initial bal (+$2500), from there it's similar to trading a personal futures account (up to 20 accounts)... Start 50,000 = 47,500 DD limit... +1,000 @ 51,000 = 48,500... -500 @ ...

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It's to stop yoloers from making it to payout in 1-2 lucky trades. If you make 50% in 1 trade day you will need more positive trade days to lower that 1 trade day's % of total profits <30%. In my case, I risk .50% live so this will never come into ...

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So I come back to this thread for 1st time since yesterday and >30% of the new posts are from TrAndy1 SMH

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let's be real..... The rule is not there in the evals so gamblers that buy a 10-20 accounts on sales eventually pass, pay the higher activation fees (monthly or 1x), then get hit with reality that they can't trade when the 30% rule forces them to ...

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How did you just present an example of a 5% pass rate to explain a 43% pass rate?!?!?!?! That being said, I do agree gambling the eval due to lunch money low cost and no daily limit (all in yolo) is definitely a big part of it. I'm sure FX pass ...

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They run deep sales on the regular, 90% off evals reset @ 80% off price... if there is another 90% sale before renewal, cancel and buy more @ 90% off You're the "hedge fund" guy correct? Why are you thinking only +5%, get to 8% and pull out 3% per ...

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Their FAQ section is a bit of a chaotic mess, but they have a 7 day trading min. If you pass the eval in 1 day you can trade micro lots the other 6 days. Live no 1 day can be >30% of total profits and you cant trade micro lots to fulfill min trade ...

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The one major difference right now is that they pay.

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You have any issues with tradovate? I heard the copier can be problematic at times... I'm using rithmic accounts with Quantower which has a built in copier.

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Yes all trailing to initial bal then stops, only apex I think is intraday trailing. My system over there is 1:1 RR so it has not come into play. The initial cost was so damn cheap I just yoloed the evals to get them over with.

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I chose 1x $140 activation fee x4 since I will not lose them... $2500 DD / $158 ($18+$140) = 15.8x total costs... I'm in US, ach transfers are available if you have a US bank account.

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It's quite interesting... since MFF's shutdown, I have not seen any denied payment issues on the retail futures prop side (Apex, Tradeday, Topstep, Tick tick, Uprofit, Earn2trade, Bulenox ect.) I'm actually live @ Apex with 4 50Ks... I yoloed all 4 ...

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Welp... CTI added to the avoid list... CTI, Bespoke, Finoative, Funded Next, Funded trading +, Youtube Influencer/Angelo/Eastern Tech Props

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What's the max leverage, I can't find it stated on the website They do have a <1m SL requirement or trade will be closed (no hard breach though)

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hmmmmmm I didn't know they offered a challenge model now, doesn't look bad. Outside the US + 5 years in business without major payment issues... nothing terrible sticks out in the rules... I will add them to the mix.

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Yes, I use a variable SL and on my tightest SL I need about 18:1 so their 10:1 max leverage may also be a major issue for some.

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No one on either side should be able to access the capital until the court ordered freeze on personal & business assets is lifted.

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Agreed... MFFX has done a good job trying to keep the ship together for as long as the reserves last. That being said, I'm still not touching anyone in the US until clarity around MFF's case.

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