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Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi W, Yes I undersstand, and I was just asking questions too. We can never know exactly, well I can't, as I never worked in the industry or know anyone inside it, just all my own ideas from listening & reading over the years. We know The Banks come IN at Session Opens as they must get their real business out into the real marketplace which then filters down (imo) into our space. All done via a series of Liquidity Providers (LP) who are running the show on GJ today imho (and, who knows, probably our retail market for about 80-90% of the whole...
There were two instances. The first was fairly minor, definitely noticeable on the market I was watching at the time. Before the first occurrence price was acting "odd".
Before anyone asks what is odd, I can't explain it. Another one of those subconscious things that surface when the activity is seen and is reflected in the conscious as "odd".
Some 10 or 15 minutes later zoom.

I am of the belief price movement is not a result of buyers and sellers. At least not in the way most think and write about it. Really matters not as long as they leave levels and patterns and pay me when I am right.
Mark ... Either you understand or you don't, and that is that.
Hi Timetells,

Thank you for the detailed reply. I read it a few times and trying to absorb all of it.

As they CANNOT hide their move. It is on our charts. Nowhere to hide the moves

'watch out for the Big Hands'

They CAN'T hide their moves once their job is done

'to take exactly what I want at the time and then leave them to run price where they want. A good deal heheee.

The above points you mentioned are pure gold. I agree with all the statements for sure.

For me i am unable to see the hidden moves which they cannot hide. Maybe i am blind..lol and also when the big hands appear. (big candles with momentum, maybe)
The best is to take what you want and leave and not worry where they want to take the price.

I just try and use the RNs, Time etc to get some pips. Just hope i can see these hidden moves and the big hands sooner rather than later.

Thanks again for the great input Pete. Very much appreciated.
Quoting whitesta
Hi Timetells, Thank you for the detailed reply. I read it a few times and trying to absorb all of it. As they CANNOT hide their move. It is on our charts. Nowhere to hide the moves 'watch out for the Big Hands' They CAN'T hide their moves once their job is done 'to take exactly what I want at the time and then leave them to run price where they want. A good deal heheee. The above points you mentioned are pure gold. I agree with all the statements for sure. For me i am unable to see the hidden moves which they cannot hide. Maybe i am blind..lol and...

Hi W,

I see NONE of any hidden moves, or know any of their plans.

I have to wait until I "recognise" that a "now" move HAS begun.
I often miss the first of the moves (my choice) and I often close before the full move is over (MY choice) as that suits me best.
Each to their own, of course.
[quote=TimeTells;14368211]{quote} Hi W, I see NONE of any hidden moves, or know any of their plans. I have to wait until I "recognise" that a "now" move HAS begun. I often miss the first of the moves (my choice) and I often close before the full move is over (MY choice) as that suits me best. Each to their own, of course.[/quote

Yes the first move can be a fake one. Which target or when it will be hit is only known to these Institutions. I also just try and get in the middle to scrape some pips.
Not easy but getting small pips add up.
Quoting whitesta
{quote} Good Morning all from New Zealand. As usual it is very windy here in Wellington. I had time yesterday and decided to take a look at GBP/JPY chart from Asia session to early London session before i got tired and hit the sack. (wasn't at the pc all day, took decent breaks). After following Timetells, Bluesteele and other experienced traders the aim was to see how the market behaves bit by bit if possible and to see how targets are formed and then taken out. Again i am still learning like most here. I trade very small and like other traders...
Hey W,,,

What can I say thats an excellent trade..from entry to target...When I woke up this morning and looked at the GJ chart... I thought of you lol... and wondered if he took that exact trade and BINGO BANGO BONGO......... Well done... When you see it you can not unsee it.. Does it work all the time Nope ! But more often than not it does especially with the confluences you are using.

And nice summation as well...

Trading does not have to be difficult or involve a bunch of indicators get good at one and or a few setups and master them... Funny you know Tom Hougaard has said many times that he has basically made a living off trading DTs and DBs... In the right area time etc etc Basic structure etc they perform very well.

I also see a nice 3 pushes down to 159.. Makes me think how the other day I posted about how a poor craftsman blames his tools..and relating the tools to trading..Its adding one layer of tools at a time to a trade and becoming good with each tool..Whether its spotting patterns at levels and numbers..whether its pushes of 3 whether its confirmation with a higher TF or several higher TFs... All with time and focused learning and practice. We can add more tools to our toolbox and with just a handful of mastered tools one can build wonders....

Yes this is hindsight as I was not up at 3 or 4 in the morning lol...But Hindsight becomes foresight when you see it often enough.. The candle patterns on the 1HR just scream GO LONG... How many of us look at them in the heat of the moment ? I guess you can think of time rotations and engulfing time... The top of the hour and 4hr rotations..bring others in the market as SB says... An a classic entry at the 50% level of that candle is buy buy buy.. I know MoodyBot looks specfically for entries at that 50%... a easy 50-150 pips for some guys...

Anyways a couple of charts here from GJ last night to just go along with yours W.. Maybe you see something from another perspective

Keep up the great work !
Blue

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Quoting whitesta
Hi W, I see NONE of any hidden moves, or know any of their plans. I have to wait until I "recognise" that a "now" move HAS begun. I often miss the first of the moves (my choice) and I often close before the full move is over (MY choice) as that suits me best. Each to their own, of course.[/quote Yes the first move can be a fake one. Which target or when it will be hit is only known to these Institutions. I also just try and get in the middle to scrape some pips. Not easy but getting small pips add up.

We MUST imho, trade what we know & how it suits US best. Not how it suits another.
All over FF you see folks 'advising' OTHERS what is right or wrong or what is best.
I will only like to put up Charts for folks to SEE and then make their own decision on any value in them or not.
I am interested ALWAYS in what EVERY trader says from their own studies. NO judgement.
Each to their own.
Quoting bluesteele
{quote} Hey W,,, What can I say thats an excellent trade..from entry to target...When I woke up this morning and looked at the GJ chart... I thought of you lol... and wondered if he took that exact trade and BINGO BANGO BONGO......... Well done... When you see it you can not unsee it.. Does it work all the time Nope ! But more often than not it does especially with the confluences you are using. And nice summation as well... Trading does not have to be difficult or involve a bunch of indicators get good at one and or a few setups and master them......
Hi Bluesteele,

Yes it was screaming for a buy. I waited for little longer to get a near perfect W and break of structure..lol. I will now look for that 50% mark after the signal candle when i look at higher time frames like 1hr. The low on my entry candle was exactly 159.5 so just perfect entry for those looking at 1hr time frame. And at the end on the 1 minute chart a clean W was formed at one of the targets. Targets known in advance also.
Quoting TimeTells
{quote} We MUST imho, trade what we know & how it suits US best. Not how it suits another. All over FF you see folks 'advising' OTHERS what is right or wrong or what is best. I will only like to put up Charts for folks to SEE and then make their own decision on any value in them or not. I am interested ALWAYS in what EVERY trader says from their own studies. NO judgement. Each to their own.
Totally Agree...You vs You. Always good to get some input from others as we learn each day. But when a trade is placed only we are accountable. Winning or Losing.
Back to GBP/JPY. After the move created by some big institution price is just toying around for over 2 hours now. We may see some movement before Frankfurt or London Open.
One more GJ chart for the love of charts

Showing Market Structure and Market Mechanics....I like to think of the word mechanics as the inner workings of the Structure..
The Mechanics FORM the structure. And the Game is to know where the Mechanics are working? If working it down low then the
objective is to take it Uptown..If they are working it downlow then its objective is Downtown LOL

All the Best !
Blue

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Quoting whitesta
Back to GBP/JPY.
After the move created by some big institution price is just toying around for over 2 hours now.
We may see some movement before Frankfurt or London Open.

Hi W,
Over the time I have been watching this GJ pair, and I mentioned this a while back also, is I see that Asia MUST ....
Create a New Hi and also a New Lo for the New day. Which is what I assume they did back then on the first spike up.

This is NOT mathematics, this is just logic as, whatever is the Hi, and wherever is the resultant Lo, becomes the Hi-Lo for Asia
(tho I close my asia box early, doesn't matter).
SO.
When the Expansions begin (plural), wherever they run to, and based on where targets are Day Ope, RNs, George Swings etc etc we can pretty much determine in our own minds whether it is or heading to a New PFH, or a new PFL.

Once we determine that, we can then assess the probability of whether say a Hi has formed, then the next MUST be the Lo. I hope all can get it.
The Low could be 100 pips away, who knows, not me, but in the run to it a trader can take some pips off the table. In fact, Lock Trades imo.

However, I HAVE seen days when the run starts AT the Low for example and only drives up higher & higher, and higher lol. Maths, ADRs etc I have seen them all blown out of the water. If they are pulling back for example then, well we can look for some 50% areas along the way for stoppages or resumptions of direction. Else a 'new' low is likely coming up. Trader needs to know their pair. Else they are 'jumping' imho from one pair to another based purely off Signal (nothing wrong with that either imo) but I dont trade off Signal, I trade off market circumstance (if folks understand what I mean). If maths & ADR can let Trader down then honestly ALL they are left with is THEMSELVES.

Note: And if something just isn't making any sense from what you know, then its likely "contrived" and my suggestion is to get out / stay out, till 'normality' returns.

Trade safe guys.
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Quoting TimeTells
{quote} Hi W, I see NONE of any hidden moves, or know any of their plans. I have to wait until I "recognise" that a "now" move HAS begun. I often miss the first of the moves (my choice) and I often close before the full move is over (MY choice) as that suits me best. Each to their own, of course.
This makes perfect sense to me. On a personal level I'm not clever enough to find the exact top or exact bottom but I don't need to cos there's plenty in the middle.
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