I am still curious about this levels indicator and can not make up my mind about it....
what does that indicator do? attempt to put in S/R lines or PPZs?
i believe many will agree that plotting PPZs, S/Rs is highly discretionary.
in that case, IMHO, an indicator like this would not be beneficial.... as it will only clutter the charts with many (unnecessary) lines.
for newer traders, i think this will help (like training wheels in a kid's bike). but as experience grows, training wheels are removed.
(an alternative: use this indicator to plot lines, then just discard the other lines which u think are unnecessary. adjust the other lines, if u deem necessary. this way, u plot your PPZs, S/Rs much faster, time-wise.)
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(an alternative: use this indicator to plot lines, then just discard the other lines which u think are unnecessary. adjust the other lines, if u deem necessary. this way, u plot your PPZs, S/Rs much faster, time-wise.)
i made a slight modification on that indicator:
the lines created by the indicator will stay on the chart even after u deleted the indicator.
The point of my question was, what do you guys think of the levels it creates, not really its value.
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i think the lines/levels created were ok.
but imho there were too many lines (no line 'conciseness').
for instance, on your first chart (weekly chart)..
counting from the bottom up, towards 1.0056.. there were 8 lines (2 solid & 6 dotted lines). i would probably have 3-5 lines there instead.
also, to avoid visual clutter, not all my lines will encompass the whole chart (which is what the indicator does).
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Look, this happens almost every day. These are two setups I marked in REAL TIME. But no I did not trade them even on demo. Just followed and marked as they closed... So easy... So attractive.. so.. ehh
let's not forget that chart is a 5-minute chart.
both pinbars could've turned into losses, specially since the location & bar sizes were unideal.
yes they happen everyday.
the question is.. were YOU ready (prepared & experienced enough) to take them at that particular time?
based on your post... since u missed these 2 setups despite marking/seeing them in real time... IMHO, the answer is 'No'.
yes they happen everyday. & yes, we will miss a lot of profitable setups.
but your focus should be on the setups u are willing to take & will take.. much much more than the setups that u miss or didnt take or uncomfortable to take.
Hope this helps
posting this before i
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Hey guys,
Was looking at the NZDUSD pin and would appreciate some comments on my thought process. ...
Hey melvin87,
as Sir jarroo would sometimes tell me...
'got a chart'?
(we need to see your chart so we can try to view things 'through your telescope')
in 1 of my feeds.. it closed as a weak pin, closing just 1 pip below 0.75
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Ok James...
Just had some technical questions: 1. would you recommend trading multiple TF for each pair. Seems to me that by watching the 4h, daily, and weekly you could find at least 1 b+or better set up a day. 2. Would you eliminate any buffer on a trigger, just factor in the spread only since your going for a quick 5 pips?
u may or may not opt to check multiple TFs, as most pairs's average daily range is +/-100pips.
i dont think he literally meant that u should target 5pips a day. i believe he just emphasized that fact (100 pips/20trading days = 5pips) to show that targeting/making 100pips a month is not difficult.
...& A+ setups all the way. if u take mediocre/"B+" setups, then your 100pip/month goal may get jeopardized (mediocre setups = more chance of trading losses).
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Critical PA on EurUsd daily chart.
We've got a bearish pinbar (sadly its close > open on my feed)
at a swing high
at a BRN (1,4000)
off the 61,8 fib retracement (1,5144 to 1,1875 move)
Is this setup good enough ?
good enough? personally, i dont think so.
that pinbar close was not good enough... & so is it's size.
having said that, we have important US news 6+ hours from now (see FF calendar), so im open to a possibility that price may go down (which i'll consider a 'healthy' retracement of the current upmove) towards 1.3400 - 1.3800 area.
if trend continues, 1.4900 - 1.5100 area (2009 high) doesnt seem far-fetched now (with 1.4200 - 1.4600 possible next problem area, if we are headed further up).
let's see what PA does.
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Breakout trade on CHF/JPY during the July 2010 period that failed. Any reason why?
chf & jpy are both safe haven currencies.
they have an ongoing battle/game of 'which is better'.
S/R - wise, looking exclusively at your chart, 82.30 PPZ acted as support at that time (it still does until the end of your chart).
in 1 context,
chf & jpy are like
eur & gbp (eurgbp)
aud & nzd (audnzd)
u should realize not all 'breakouts' u see break out/'should' break out. u should be flexible, nimble alert with your decisions/perspectives.
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Originally Posted by Pinbar
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Unfortunately, FXDD does not carry that pair.
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which pair/s?
all the pairs mentioned are available in FXDD. (i use FXDD too)
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Not a PB probably..... Entered on the break of the bar with stop below......
definitely NOT a PB.
my comment would focus on the trade setup & not the outcome (whether this turns into a profit or loss):
u traded a doji with a long upper wick. the upper wick is right at a minor PPZ/possible trouble area (based on your chart). your entry was right at/into a PPZ.
to be safe, we should trade away, not into or at a PPZ.
Please review James16's This is critical
"...WE MUST LEARN TO:
1. notice a strong s/r area just beyond our pa if it exists.
2. know that if we trade into it we had better be prepared for a quick reversal that could give us a loss if we are not prepared.
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im pointing this out so that u'd be aware ofthe consequence &/or avoid taking such setups.
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Originally Posted by 666Doom
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I saw a great Pinbar on Aud/Cad....
not a pitbull pinbar.
check out james16, mbqb11, jarroo's charts to compare.
Be careful guys.
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Maybe someone knows where can I get an indicator for my MT4 that would make Fractals Indicator look like this of the Trade Station platform (small, clean, circles)
The one there is just so so ugly...
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it's not a default MT4 indicator, that's for sure.
i made a very minor modification on the code. (changed the arrows [#217 & #218 below] into circles [#158 as seen below] ; i named it Fractal c --- 'c' for (small) circles) http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3.../Wingdings.png
it plots small circles just like u requested.
what i noticed is the circles are plotted very near/beside the tip of the candles, but it doesnt create a 'candle visibility' problem. (placing the circles away from the candle will need a little more tweaking in the code.)
let me know if it works ok.
if u get problems i cant handle, then u just have to post this in the Programming forum (Platform Tech)
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Originally Posted by Adilius07
Ehhh daily/weekly charts trading is sometimes so boring...
Yeah, I know the indicator has to be in the indicators folder.
It is just that, I tried changing the name, rebooting MT4 and it would not work.
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EDIT: Yeah, it worked for some reason.
Here is the version again saved with a better name. (SweetSpotsGold.mq4)
just FYI...
there is an indicator called SweetSpotsGold. it plots pivot points.
(please take not of this distinction, just in case others get confused.)
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Originally Posted by Pinbar
Thanks Jarroo...
This is funny.
I was just playing billiards with a guy in Texas.
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billiards. nice.
maybe we can play when i get to visit your place.
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Sweet spots Gold does not plot pivot points, it plots RNs only.
This is the same indicator only modified to shorten the lines.
i stand corrected.
i was supposed to say 'certain levels' (.25, .50,.75 .00 levels) instead of 'pivot points'. (somehow i mixed it up with Shimodax's other indicator -- SDX TzPivots)
my brain slows down late at night.
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Originally Posted by joelcf
Hey buddy, hows things?
You know you have a procrastination problem when you decide to mark up 200 stock charts instead of doing your work. Stupid Mondays.
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lol.
i got the 'best' procrastination problem in the world.
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This is my first post... I see the pinbar was set and the trend was forming short but why didn't it continue? ...
Welcome hpagan,
im not sure which pinbar u are referring to?
the main reason/answer to your question is supply (resistance) & demand (support). the trend was at an end because there was enough demand/support at that area.
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Hello traders, i am learning price action...
Yes there was traffic and resistances upwards...
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Originally Posted by spookie94
... looks like not much room to work on either chart....
your PPZs look good
Great reply by Sir spookie94.
eurusd:
-the pin was too small in the context of the current downmove (at that time)
-u disregarded the minor flip area (1.3880, purple line). it could've been your FTA or area to go to BE.
-alternatively, u could've avoided this trade.
gbpusd:
-it was a TBLHC BUT it was very small & barely broke upwards.
-price is in a lot of traffic
-price is just a few pips below your PPZ. remember James16 This is Critical. when u run towards a wall, what happens? does the wall break (or even budge) or is it u who 'bounces back'?......... yes, correct
hope that helps further
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it's possible.
but there is no divergence, if ever u inferred that there is one. (based on your chart; price made lower highs, MACD did too)
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Originally Posted by advfntrader
is anyone Short Gold based on last weeks Daily Bearish Outside bar ?
It has retraced 90% but could still be in play, look what happened last time we saw one...
the 2 encircled 'patterns' are not even remotely similar.... IMHO
the former is less bullish than the latter. also, a good-sized PA setup would be warranted to take a possible short.
kindly take a closer look.
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I know they are not exactly the same but my point is a Large Daily Engulfing candle retraces but the high is not taken out, then it drops
i can see where u are coming from..
but pattern-wise, if u take a closer look, the first yellow circle has encountered a 'price stall' wherein it has made a 'triple/quadruple top' around the same area.
whereas the 2nd circle has undergone a stronger upmove, little to no price stall (unlike the first circle). u can see from the middle of your chart, price has made an almost hassle-free upmove.
comparing the patterns u encircled will tell us if subsequent price action will create a similar result.
price-wise, anything can happen from this point on.
let's watch
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You mean the Round number indicator?...
Need someone to fix the code so it always stays on the screen even if you scroll back.
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it's possibly impossible to do that.
the indicator is a price indicator. so its display is contingent upon the current price(& the settings u used).
so if u have your chart showing your current price (example, H1 chart, eurusd, with current price around 1.4000), then u decide to scroll back towards 1.1800 area, the indicator wont show up (UNLESS u have set your indicator to display MANY round numbers above & below the current price; setting it this way may use up more PC resource)
i think most/all indicators are coded this way.
depending on your intent, instead of scrolling back, 3 alternatives:
-just minimize the chart,
-adjust the chart's chart shift feature OR
-extend the round number lines (by adjusting the shift line parameter) so that the indicator will still show up. (the disadvantage is 'chart clutter' which defeats the primary purpose of this indicator.)
im not a programmer but i hope that makes sense.
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Hello Majestic12,
sure did.
it happened during & after the US news about 40minutes ago.
Oanda had a weak connection (even got disconnected for a short while) & prices were delayed by about +/-10pips in some/all pairs (MT4 demo accounts were doing fine) for about 10minutes.... but when i exited a position, the exit price was the real-time one. cool
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Well that BUOB was one big disapointment to me. Why?
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Originally Posted by ghous
Were you aware of the fact that it was headed straight into the 14 BRN?
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Originally Posted by ppfx
.. BUOB definitely looks good, but i dont like the big downtrend...
If you're planning to enter @14.06 seems much more reasonable since this would indicate a break, but it also can reverse and end like a weekly pinbar. ..(I watched some similar examples in the past myself)
just to add...
14.00 was a PPZ. notice how price cut through (/whipped around) 14.00 on at least 3 instances (see your chart). so i guess a 14.06 entry wont do well.
downtrend + PPZ + TL (drawn by ppfx) = serious confluence against your trade
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Originally Posted by Adilius07
Yes, so I set my order 6 cents above... and my target was next BRN - 15.
...Also the previous two BEOB's with the main downtrend were both headed to BRN. .... Yet those bearish two worked just perfectly...
of course, with-trend bars will cut through anything, including RNs.
the difference are
u traded counter-trend
BUOB did not close above 14.00 ppz (i believe this is crucial). [inother words, BUOB size could've been bigger]
since price is in a downtrend, price whipped around 14.00, BUOB did not close above 14.00 & there's a downTL confluence,
a 14.00 breakout & retrace entry seems like the best entry method u could've employed here.
a good 'lesson chart' for us, Adilius. Thanks!
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.. I am still in search for what kind of trader should I be?......
study all/most of the charts here..
look at the seniors' charts& posts.
sooner or later u will tend to create an affinity towards 1 or 2 or 3 traders here....their way of thinking, their way of trading.
once that happens... well, that is the answer to your question above.
also, it would help tremendously if u know yourself & know what u want. your 'search' will end faster, this way.
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many do.
we all face these emotions regularly.
we just have to live with them.. manage ourselves.. take control
..or these emotions will manage/control us.
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But I still didn't understand. Has it to be preciselytwo consecutive lows/highs, or some minor lows/high within two major swings in price and oscilator could be disregarded?
i remember that post/chart.
personally i consider a presence of divergence even if it forms from non-consecutive swing high/lows.(that chart as an example)
i dont always play by the rules.
u have to test it out yourself, see what u are comfortable with.
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25 years? Must be some kind of masochist. lol
I`m going on 9 years here and don`t know how much longer I can last. What keeps you genki?
probably he loves the place,the culture, the people so much.
or perhaps he is a Japanese or has an unfinished business in Japan in his former life.
better check our grammar, we got 2 instructors around.
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Originally Posted by leelar
Thanks for the confirmation.
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Here is my 2nd try:
I am also learning SR levels so that I can learn entry and exit. But at this point, my SL is previous low @130.10, TP is at support level 127.87...
Hello leelar,
IMHO, u should get familiar with S/R, PPZ plotting first before u venture into taking continuation trades like this.
S/R & PPZs are our roadmaps. it will help u navigate through the price jungle.
regarding your trade..
my concern is u shorted near/right at a possible bottom.
i would want 128.50 - 129 broken first & with conviction to get more confident that your TP will have a chance to get hit. if 129.50 - 130 breaks first, well, u might have a problem.
Hope this helps
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Women, wine & song.
Yeah, it is not like the old days of people coming up to you in the streets and offering you 10,000 Yen an hour to teach them.
I feel Japan has had its good days, next stop is China.
Maybe a uni teaching job, I have someone setting something up for me right now.
wow, u got a multilingual tongue Sir
10k Yen, huh? very lucrative back then
i believe China has been taking in English teachers for some time now.
just in case, FYI... well, IMHO, Chinese language is much difficult than Nihonggo. the Chinese characters to are much detailed/intricate compared to Hiragana, katakana, kanji. (i can speak, write & understand a bit of both worlds)
anyway, i think u can manage really well.
Hi mike.
I have been reading a lot of your posts and can tell you are a very good trader....
Anyway, here is a trade i took today...
Hello dk2007,
i believe he trades several kinds..
breakout + pullback + PA off of S/R,
outright breakout (mutliple bar high/low breaks)
wedge breakouts
just keep studying his charts
he'll chime in later, for sure.
regarding your trade.
i guess the ongoing trend is the main culprit here.
the trend, from Oct.14 was up.
there was a minor flip around 1.0140 which u overlooked. (try&plot a line there)
u also had a medium-/long-term downTL that got broken. price bounce from it too, forming a small pin, then a BUOB (additional warning signs).
Hope that helps.
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Looks like your DBHLC actually hit the FTA where BE or taking some off the table would have been in order.
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Originally Posted by dk2007
And this is another one on EUR/USD. Got a bullish daily Pin Bar yesterday off fib confluence and daily support. Price hit monthly pivot and stall. I identified Twin Bar High. Place buy limit on break and stop below the second bar. But we never got a break. I know the daily PB has a lower close than open, but does it nullify the fact that both open and close are at the upper end of PB?
Any comment would be much appreciated
maybe u can restate your question?
i got really confused,Sir
u must be referring to Monthly R1 @13993, not monthly pivot
why no two-bar high break? maybe because 'it's not yet time' &/or price is too weak to go up for now.
maybe u can post a daily chart too, illustrating that daily PB u are referring to. (we all use different brokers so PA setups may look different)
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Originally Posted by dk2007
What is FTA? How is PPZ different from Pivot Point? How to get them on chart?
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... But that was a very small flip. I couldn't see it until i went down to the hourly chart (even then i had to squint). I wonder how you can see this - did you go to lower TF to check any possible flips? If so, how low would you look in terms of TF? If let say you had a PB on the daily, how many lower TF will you look at for flips? And which ones will you place more importance in terms of target?
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yes, it was a small flip but worth noting of if u wanna reduce risk to your trades.
seriously, u have to be aware of any/all possibilities. u cant be complacent.
when u cross a street, do u only take note of big humps/potholes or big cars.... & u ignore small humps/potholes, small cars/motorcycles?
i look at/for price flip on lowerTFs, but i saw that flip right on your chart.
if u need to squint, then it's either u have to use eyeglasses &/or reduce the number of lines on your chart or change the line colors. or u can simply zoom in/out the chart.
u can look at any TF. the only difference is the number of bars increase as u go lower, but the price is the same.
of course, the higher TF PPZs, S/Rs are more important.
Hope that helps
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Was backtesting and saw this pin at a swing low + off the ppz on the H1 GBPUSD chart. I anticipated price to push back up to the 1.5867 area which was the next PPZ level i identified. However, price did go in that direction but didnt quite reach it. The pin was subsequently invalidated.
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some observations:
-the pin was pretty average in size (compared to previous bars)& the close was below the open. but there certainly are pins like this that work well.
-this was a H1 chart. ideally, we start trading H4 & up, as lower TFs are pretty whippy & fast.
-cant see clearly, but the distance to the nearest ppz (15867ish, upper red line) is about 10pips? that gives u very little room...
as much as possible we avoid trading into very near traffic zones like this as it can make price reverse on us, sometimes very quickly, leaving u little room to react. (notice the subsequent bar reversed quickly & formed a bearish bar, often this is a warning sign of a bad &/or soon-to-fail trade)
also, remember a PPZ is a zone, not a specific price. price can come near it, touch it to the pip or breach it before reversing.
find out which one happened in that trade.
-if i took this trade, i might have ended it with a full-bar loss.. or a minor loss, since i usually check PA on lower TFs.
overall, u should avoid pins like this.
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The max data rate I get here is about 120 Mbps and pm it will cost you about 80 euro's (approx. $ 110)
based on cost of living there, is that expensive?
i believe 1-5Mbps is the max here, i think it costs +/-$100/month. that's expensive (& pretty slow), when compared to rates (& internet speed) in developed countries like yours.
Now u have a reason to feel blessed.
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I can sacrifice my internet speed for the amazing view at the ocean from my beach cabin... that is the reality where you live
that would be great.
interesting u said that. there's a fellow trader here, who plans to move here because of that 'view'.
my concern is we are geographically surrounded by water, plus beach areas are usually with slow, average or no internet connection.
im looking for a good place for him to stay in that has the balance of good beach/sea view + good internet connection.
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what I knew is that to spot the S/R you need to marked where price have difficulties to pass through for sometime.
...Does this apply to the PPZ?
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read the first few hundred pages of this thread, while reading the latest posts to stay updated. it looks daunting, but only during the first few weeks, months.
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Originally Posted by Adilius07
Ohh man! I should be that trader, lol! For me no connection would not be a problem at all, I would just take a cab and go to the city every saturday to take a look at my weekly charts!!!
But seriously, that surrounding I think would do only good for a trader... and when he/she is tired of "work" he could go back to the city for a vacation..lol
of course, it refreshes & revitalizes the mind.
the city is usually just a few minutes/hours away.
no need for a cab,just buy/rent a bike or motorcycle.
u can also buy/lease a house, apartment etc near/at the city. (so u have a 'beach' house & 'city' house)
most things are cheap here.
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Thanks Mike
I want to you give me the link to where u state the meaning of the the following
PPZ
wow.
this must be the 2nd or 3rd or 4th time u posted that. (i checked your post history)
i gave u a link (once or twice) that contained exactly what u need. (go back & see my previous response to u. i pointed u to a link)
this tells me u are a selective reader. (which is detrimental, imho, if u are new but serious at this)
if u have been proactive, u could've used your time better if u used Forex Factory's Search tool, instead of asking the same thing 2 or 3 times.
i really hope u are not a troll.
Sorry to be frank but it's for your own good. (newer traders whine that this & other threads are HUGE & yet they are the ones that make the threads much voluminous than it should be)
i want people to be self-reliant. IMHO self-reliance is 1 of the main ingredients to succeed in trading & in any life endeavor.
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Take a look at this trade I have profit locked and I am still in
call you tell me if i should get out of the trade
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everybody is different, so u will get different answers.
what u can do is exit part of your positions & let the remaining run.
trade-wise, i think 0.9550-80 area will be key to watch for.. if it will stop price or if it will get breached & let u visit 0.9500 or below.
once u learn more about S/R, PPZ, u would be able to decide for yourself.
u have to learn what u are comfortable with. try out different exit styles.
it's very important.
another awesome trade, by the way
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Thanks Mike I want you to give me the link to where u state the meaning of the the following
PPZ....
in a few seconds/minutes, u could've gotten the answer to your question if u used the Search tool. instead of asking redundant questions. u could've private messaged anyone here too. there are many ways to find an answer; in this case, u just didnt utilize them.
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Originally Posted by emmy01
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You shld have called my attention to the question rather than what you said above....
i did. 4 hours ago.
sadly, u overlooked it.
i called your attention to something much much more important, self-reliance. u shouldnt really take my post in a bad light.
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SC it's ok bud, this thread is huge and goes fast. It can be very intimidating at first till one gets used to the terms/finding things/the process.
We all found it when it was much smaller
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heheh, Mike. it's ok, im cool, Sir.
im not part of the seniors here, bro.
i just joined last year, & this thread during that time is already HUGE.
it was HUGE & i lacked time to read all the post.
but i worked my way around just like most people did.... reading previous posts, using the search tool if i need help with abbreviations, PM'ing people if necessary...
he's been polite, so i replied the same way.
i just wanna spread a 'self-reliance' virus.
apologies, if u have to step in.. again
Thanks again for looking after me/us
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Originally Posted by bluetrader
Mike I'm upset too......
Thanks Danny
what's Yankees?
ooops. just kidding. hahah
(what really confused me was the 'Texas rangers meeting' mentioned by james16. i thought they were gonna take over Texas. LOL)
I got an idea!!! ... what if I join some of those services, they can give me an update once a week about some stock, or commodity or something that trades at a interesting level, or in some kind of pattern! So that would be like heads up, and all I will have to do is wait for the J16 PA at those levels?
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subscribing to a service like that, will weaken your progress, imho.
remember, everybody will plot different 'levels'. so the 'levels' might not suit u personally.
also, plotting the levels is very easy... trading off of it, deciding to trade or not, & managing a trade is the difficult part.
even if the service gives u excellent levels.. if u cant manage trades well, then it's worthless, right? why pay for something if u can do it yourself, for free?
self-reliance.. is the (/one) way towards our progress.
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So look, what I made to myself lately. I can basically turn off my PC, come here at saturday make my scans send a waiting order and leave for the next saturday!!! Lol, is this normal?!?! Really my trading has changed so much...
wow.
ugot too much time on your hands now.
if u feel comfortable with it, it's all that matters. & nothing to worry about.
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Originally Posted by squeezy
shish! i think i might have found Rac's cave, dnt tell him ........ ...
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Originally Posted by squeezy
no problem...
are u kidding me?!!
u have been inside the cave for some time now
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shish! not so loud Supreme.... Rac might hear and sniff me out
LOL.
dont worry, i believe his cave can accommodate several people
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Originally Posted by unlv_tj
I had the 1.57 level marked as an area of interest, but with the recent USD strength, and no better long term P/A off this area, I couldn't see a reason to go long. What made you decide to go long here (other than the location)?
Thoughts?
actually, there were PA setups in squeezy's charts.
see his first chart. (gbpusd H1)
there was a 3-bar PB off the 1.5640ish lows, then another PB (6th bar from the left). u could've traded off of those 2.
remember, with touch trades u have a bias & u anticipate future PA.
in this case, squeezy thinks price will bounce off of his PPZ, so he is long-bias.
if he is long-biased, & if price does go in his favor, price, along the way, will inevitably form a bullish PA setup &/or bullish bars forming no specific PA setup (just plain bullish bars).
with touch trading u are simply getting in ahead of most.
the key is timing &/or stop loss placement.
Hope this helps TJ
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